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Just saw this amazing video on youtube and I think this is definitely something people in the Hearthstone community and the devs themselves need to see. Other than getting a good laugh out of it, it actually brings up a lot of good points as well:

Don't get me wrong, I love Hearthstone (otherwise I wouldn't spend so much time on a website like this), but this video really made me realize how much can easily be improved with very little effort if the devs would be willing. Maybe if they see this video they might get the idea to at least do something? Probably not, but one can dream.

Edit: I used 'devs' for lack of a better word (if anyone knows one please say so :p) but I don't only mean the game developers, since they don't have control over everything, but also the people responsible for things like the economic part of the game.

Hi everyone! I wasn’t a forum dweller until I ran across the glorious salt thread on Hearthpwn. I know, I know - Hearthstone is a cool game, but the level of RNG and the nature of card games in general can often be a source of frustration, so I needed a place where I could unleash my inner Kripp.

But gradually I started browsing other threads, look for cool deck ideas and even started sharing some ideas of my own. That was until Hearthpwn announced the great shut down. I stopped reading forum threads one week before the supposed closing date as the activity was dwindling.

And what do I accidentally find out a week ago after logging in to Hearthpwn for the first time in months? That it still works! Yay... ? Well, actually no. Judging by activity there and here, I see that the forum community in Hearthstone fell apart. What was the point of this maneuver by Hearthpwn? It was really weird because as I understood, outofcards was supposed to become a replacement for Hearthpwn, but now we have two forums with low activity.

Am I the only one who feels it’s odd?

Imagine Lord of the Rings ending. Frodo (Hearthpwn) looks at Sam (us) and delivers a most heartbreaking good-bye. But like 10 minutes after boarding the ship, he comes down and says, ‘Nah, I’ll stay. But will live in the basement from now on.’

Not cool, Frodo!

Hi, all.

I'm creating this thread, in order to start a discussion about Quest Jade Shaman. I browsed through hsreplay, tempostorm and our beloved site, but I didn't see any posts regarding it. I feel like it doesn't attract the attention it deserves, so I came here to showcase it.

Based on my experience so far, I can safely say that this archtype is a sleeper and will become extremely popular some day. There is something extremely broken in doubling the jade and lackey generation, that I can't quite put my finger on it. I have been playing a lot of games with this deck-type (I've started from rank 6) and I've managed to reach Legend. My decklist looks like so:

[Legend] Jade Shudderwock Shaman

Wild · Jade Shaman · by Kovachut · 6 years, 7 months ago

• 1 Corrupt the Waters x 1
• 1 Sludge Slurper x 2
• 2 Crackle x 2
• 2 Devolve x 2
• 2 EVIL Cable Rat x 2
• 2 Jade Claws x 2
• 2 Novice Engineer x 2
• 2 Questing Explorer x 2
• 2 Sandstorm Elemental x 2
• 3 Bog Slosher x 2
• 3 Jade Lightning x 2
• 3 Zola the Gorgon x 1
• 4 Jade Spirit x 2
• 5 Antique Healbot x 2
• 5 Loatheb x 1
• 5 Zilliax x 1
• 6 Aya Blackpaw x 1
• 9 Shudderwock x 1

11,080 Dust 15,440 33 Copy Deck Code

Despite my success, I don't really recommend you to ladder with this version, because it gets countered by the infamous Burn Mage. Even though I run some tech cards (1x Eater of Secrets, 2x Antique Healbots), it still loses badly, if the mage has a godlike starting hand. But other than that, the deck has the potential to beat the rest of the competition.

Versus Control

You just win, because the opponents can't deal with the evergrowing jades.

Versus Combo

The MVPs are:

Versus Aggro and Mid-Range

Now, since the deck has a fairly weak early-game, aggro players can easily obtain the upper hand and beat us. But those MUs are still winnable. The MVPs are:

Plague of Murlocs is extremely useful against Big Priests.

Alternative Builds

When I started playing with my Thief Priest in the first few days of the expansion, I stumbled upon 3 different quest jade shamen on the ladder. I've noticed, that my opponents ran some mid- or late-game defensive tools - Omega Mind, Lightning Storm, Hex, Hagatha's Scheme, Walking Fountain, Siamat, Earthquake. So they've decided to take a more control-ish approach for their decks. Imho those cards aren't bad per se, in a more minion-heavy meta they could prove to be useful. But as long as Burn Mage stays dominant, this won't be the case. You don't have time to play any of those cards right now and your spells would easily get cancelled by Counterspell. Your deck needs to consist of cheaper things.

Speaking of which, some of those builds also ran the typical lackey package we see in standard (including EVIL Totem and Weaponized Wasp). I have tried the latter cards myself, but I don't really feel like those are all that useful. I always have the feeling, that EVIL Totem is just a 2-health taunt, which can be easily dealt with. And it doesn't speed the quest completion process that much. The wasp could be useful, but if you are facing loads of swarm decks like Odd Pala or sticky minions, the 3 damage doesn't really matter imho and it can make your Shudderwock worse. You would be better off running Maelstrom Portal instead.

I tested the Mogu Fleshshaper-Evolve combo, but I'm not really impressed by it. For me it's too inconsistent. Although Jade Shaman utilizes a lot of understatted battlecry minions and adding evolve spells in the deck could be good on theory, I personally think that those high-roll turns aren't needed.

That's all from me. What are your thoughts on this archtype? Have you tried it yourself? What builds did you use and how far did you go on the ladder?

In case some of you missed it.  We now know of the nerfs that are coming soon

And in it, two of the buffs that were applied were reverted; Extra Arms and Galaxy.

As such it made me look back at the buffs that Blizzard did with Rise of the Mechs.  I had been saying for years that I never wanted cards to be buffed.  When the buffs came I hoped that I was wrong (I was about rotations).  

Now, looking back: I'm fearing that I wasn't wrong.  Again looking at the buffs:

Gloop Sprayer to (7) Mana. (Down from 8): While it was experimented on, it seems to have fallen into meme territory at best.

Mulchmuncher to (9) Mana. (Down from 10): Not even a meme, even after the buff.

Necromechanic to (4) Mana. (Down from 5): Hunter played with it a bit in mech hunter, but that deck doesn't even use the card anymore.

Flark's Boom-Zooka to (7) Mana. (Down from 8):  No

Unexpected Results to (3) Mana. (Down from 4): Still not used in any mage deck

Luna's Pocket Galaxy to (5) Mana. (Down from 7):  Had to be reversed due to overpowering the meta

Crystology to (1) Mana. (Down from 2): The card is broken at 2 mana and the decks that use it used it at 2 mana as well as 1, so it's not really taking a bad card and improving it.  If Paladin ever finds a deck to grab a top tier spot on, this may get nerfed.  

Glowstone Technician to (5) Mana. (Down from 6): I think it's a neat card, but I still miss Troggzor the Earthinator. Consider "I like it" to be a sign of failure.

Extra Arms to (2) Mana. (Down from 3): Had to be reversed

Cloning Device to (1) Mana. (Down from 2): Not currently used anywhere

Pogo-Hopper to (1) Mana. (Down from 2): It did get some play early on, but eventually fell to meme territory

Violet Haze to (2) Mana. (Down from 3): Still unused

The Storm Bringer to (6) Mana. (Down from 7):  I like it.  The world deems it meme.

Thunderhead to 3/6 (Up from 3/5):  The one Shining spot as shaman found a use for him recently.  So we did well here.

Spirit Bomb to (1) Mana. (Down from 2): Still not used

Dr. Morrigan to (6) Mana. (Down from 8): Very laughable

Security Rover to 2/6 stats. (Up from 2/5) & Beryllium Nullifier to 4/8 stats. (Up from 3/8):  I put them together as they share a similar fate:  They are both never put into a deck, but are loved when found via other effects. But they already had that effect beforehand.  And they ended up bolstering a deck that then needed to be nerfed.

So we have:

1 card that actually improved in standing with the buff,

2 cards who weren't trash before the buffs bolstering a deck that needed to be nerfed later

1 card that wasn't trash before and is used as much today and may need a nerf later

3 cards that were played with then dumped into meme status

2 cards that broke the game and had to be reversed

and 9 cards that remained just as trash as before.

For hype and making keeping us engaged with the game, it did a great job.  But we only really  have 3 cards that actually got into the meta in some form and 2 of them for the worse.  Meanwhile it took 3 cards that were already existent in some form and made 1 into a potential big problem and 2 to help support another deck that needed nerfing.  

I'm not sure all of that was worth giving Shaman a more reliable aggro deck.

Note that I'm biased as I already felt that buffing wasn't a great idea, so I do run the risk of confirmation bias.  So I ask the community to weigh in.  Whether you worried over the buffs or spent the past few years yelling at me about why we should be doing it, how has the changes effected you.  Note to not think about how it felt right when it was happening since that's just the hype of 'something new'.  

I mean right now, look at the list of cards, look at what you play and what you fight against, and think about how the buffs effected you, good and bad.  After that, the question: were the buffs a good idea?  

Guys, how do you think? Is it worth to spend 1400 gold on first two wings so that I can get Barnes and disenchant it next week? Sounds like a deal because 1600 dust is worth more than 1400 gold. But then I get to keep all the rest cards which are worth even more. Maybe I'll also D/E Moroes.

Cheers!

I've been messing around with hunter and came up with an intriguing idea

One of the reasons the class has traditionally gravitated toward aggression is because of the hero power. What if Blizzard introduced a mechanic that changes your hero power at the start of the game? 

We already have cards that upgrade or change your hero power, and we have quite a few. 

What I am thinking is a mechanic similar to Genn or Baku, where if you have X it changes your hero power. For example, a new rogue legendary could have a mechanic that triggers at the start of the game. I know a lot of people despise those cards and how they shaped decks, but those were neutrals. The new hero power could involve some beast synergy or something. 

So I was inspired by Kibler playing his own Highlander Paladin, and decided to put my own spin on it:

Finley and the Boys

Wild · Highlander Paladin · by CableKnight · 6 years, 7 months ago

• 1 Crystology x 1
• 1 Glow-Tron x 1
• 1 Skaterbot x 1
• 2 Equality x 1
• 2 Immortal Prelate x 1
• 2 Lightforged Blessing x 1
• 2 Sir Finley of the Sands x 1
• 2 Sound the Bells! x 1
• 2 Subdue x 1
• 2 Wild Pyromancer x 1
• 2 Zephrys the Great x 1
• 3 Acolyte of Pain x 1
• 3 Aldor Peacekeeper x 1
• 3 Consecration x 1
• 3 High Priest Thekal x 1
• 3 SN1P-SN4P x 1
• 3 Vulpera Scoundrel x 1
• 4 Annoy-o-Module x 1
• 4 Blessing of Kings x 1
• 4 Sandbinder x 1
• 4 SI:7 Infiltrator x 1
• 4 Truesilver Champion x 1
• 5 Mechano-Egg x 1
• 5 Shrink Ray x 1
• 5 Zilliax x 1
• 6 Pharaoh's Blessing x 1
• 7 Kangor's Endless Army x 1
• 7 Siamat x 1
• 7 Tunnel Blaster x 1
• 8 Da Undatakah x 1

15,180 Dust 1,023 0 Copy Deck Code

Anyone else having any success with this archetype? 

After much difficulty, I managed to use Amazon coins to buy card packs and get a 15-20% discount from buying it bulk. 

I still have quite a lot of amazon coins and my intention was to buy slowly as the new card pack offers from Blizzard came out. 

But it seems the amazon coins can only be used to buy the in game card packs, not the card pack offers from the Blizzard shop directly (i.e. it seems I cannot use my amazon coins to buy from Blizzard shop)

Is my understanding correct?

If so, is there anyway I can still utilise my existing amazon coins for any new card pack offers from Blizzard store directly?

I am loathe to charge money to my credit card again when I have quite a lot of unused amazon coins lying around in my amazon account.

Please advise me step by step.

On a separate note, because I did not start Hearthstone since its inception, I wanted to buy back one of the old adventures. (blackrock mountain) --I still do not have my Ragnaros and I am getting pelted everytime in Hearthstone by the fire god.

I realised I cannot use amazon coins to buy the old adventures too because they are found exclusively in Blizzard store? Is my understanding correct? Please also advise. Thanks a lot.

I've created 6 decks here since joining the site, and as far as I can tell, not one of them has been viewed even once. I'm not saying my decks are so amazing that everyone should be upvoting and commenting on them, but I was hoping for at least a little feedback, suggestions, etc. How do you get your decks into the spotlight? 

Also, there are achievements related to this, and I love me some achievements.

Hey guys, 

For the past days I'm trying to run different versions of highlander hunter (always with the secret package), but cannot locate the perfect one for standard. Win rates in 50-52% at max and I'm stuck on rank 5 and cannot advance any higher. 

What would you recommend to read/check videos in order to understand how to play with this deck better? Maybe you know the ideal Highlander Hunter deck? 

Thanks in advance!

Hello all,

As the title states I was wondering if anyone has had any luck with unlocking Arthas (Beating the Lich King with every class), using  the Uldum standard set. I started playing again this year, last time was during season 1-3, so I have literally zero wild cards and don’t waste dust if I don’t have to. 

I have tried google and the real only advice I have seen is to try murlocs or the below. Which idk what the decks would fully look like, besides a pogo rogue.

Priest (Dragons + Inner Fire)

Hunter (Spell Hunter + Mossy Horror)
Paladin (Young Dragonhawk + buff + Secrets + small taunts)
Rogue (Pogo)
Druid (Jade)
Shaman (Eggs)
Warrior, Warlock and Mage (Alarm-o-Bot + big taunts/minions)

Any any advice would be much appreciated. 

Anyone try anything like this?

Curious if this will be any good.

So far 3-0 (granted in Casual to test).

Beaten quest hunter, aggro rogue, and some kind of mage (not sure if highlander or big spell) so maybe it can be decent?

### Malygos
# Class: Hunter
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Dragon
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# 1x (1) Arcane Shot
# 1x (1) Rapid Fire
# 1x (1) Secret Plan
# 1x (1) Shimmerfly
# 1x (1) Springpaw
# 1x (1) Tracking
# 1x (2) Bomb Toss
# 1x (2) Explosive Trap
# 1x (2) Freezing Trap
# 1x (2) Hunter's Mark
# 1x (2) Pressure Plate
# 1x (2) Rat Trap
# 1x (2) Snipe
# 1x (2) Zephrys the Great
# 1x (3) Animal Companion
# 1x (3) Deadly Shot
# 1x (3) Eaglehorn Bow
# 1x (3) Kill Command
# 1x (3) Unleash the Hounds
# 1x (4) Marked Shot
# 1x (5) Baited Arrow
# 1x (5) Zilliax
# 1x (6) Unleash the Beast
# 1x (7) Dinotamer Brann
# 1x (7) Siamat
# 1x (7) Vereesa Windrunner
# 1x (8) Jepetto Joybuzz
# 1x (9) Alexstrasza
# 1x (9) Malygos
# 1x (10) Zul'jin
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

I think you should consider deleting the salt thread; fresh start and all that.

I'm optimistic that humanity has evolved and it's not really needed anymore.

At the early point of each expansion, I want to try so many new decks, but I always end up going through the same routine:

1. Spend a while creating a new deck
2. Queue on ladder; get annihilated by an aggro deck
3. Queue on ladder; get slowly murdered by a control deck over 20 minutes
4. Rage-delete deck
5. Cycle 1-4 ad infinitum

Now, all usual responses aside (git gud etc.), I'd like to know how long other players stick with a deck before they decide to refine it or just make an entirely new one. Especially at the early stages of an expansion cycle.

In short, gimme your tips on how to stay focused on one deck. Cheers!

Hey guys

late last night I was messing around with some a wild warlock when I stumbled across the dread steer + defile interaction. I know dreadsteed was changed but I found some videos pre-nerf

anyway, I got the idea to try a knife juggler + necrotic geist OTK in wild after seeing Hysteria’s video. 

So, the combo is as follows: Summoning Portal, Knife Juggler, Necrotic Geist, 2x Deathspeaker, Defile, Summoning Portal Tuskarr Fisherman. As long as you get 4-5 discounted it’s fine.

Here’s  link to both the Hysteria video to see the combo and the wiki. (Under notes in wiki)

https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Summoning_Portal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0II_uz5UwAc&feature=share

You drop Emperor hoping to discount the deathspeakers, defile, and Geist. The combo takes advantage of the discount from Emperor while also getting a 2 mana Summoning Portal discount. According to the HS wiki, and is consistent with Hysteria’s video, this combination can produce 0 cost minions, as the Summoning Portal effect is applied first and then the Emperor one. Basically, you’ll be playing the 2 and 3 mana pieces for free....or so I thought. You drop the portal, geist, then juggler. After that, you give immunity to both juggler and geist, and apply +1 spell power to either. Casting defile after this creates a loop with Necrotic Geists effect that will kill your opponent no question. Although defile can cast only 14 times, it’s way more than enough for the number of knives being shot. 

I’ve set this up three times and Summoning Portal will not make the minions cost 0 even with the Emperor combination. If you read the wiki and watch the video, you’ll see that the minions cost 0. I watched the video a few times now, and I don’t see any other way he could’ve gotten 0 cost minions. Looking at his discounts, he only managed to get a single tick. Each time I set this combo up, none of the minions will cost 0. I know Summoning Portal is supposed to keep minion cost at 1, but the wiki states that when used with Emperor, the minions will cost 0 if they cost 3. Again, this is what happens in Hysteria’s combo, but for some reason my minions aren’t behaving this way. 

I can’t find any evidence that the way these card interactions has changed or been patched. The only thing I can think of it is that blizzard silently changed it to prevent another OTK. 

a lot could be said about it. I tried some variations, giggling inventor works better (because conjures calling works well on the 7-cost) than flamestrike.

Value CTRL

Wild · Cyclone Mage · by zznq · 6 years, 7 months ago

• 1 Magic Trick x 2
• 1 Mirror Image x 2
• 1 Raid the Sky Temple x 1
• 1 Ray of Frost x 2
• 2 Doomsayer x 2
• 2 Khadgar x 1
• 2 Mana Cyclone x 2
• 2 Sorcerer's Apprentice x 2
• 3 Arcane Intellect x 2
• 3 Conjurer's Calling x 2
• 3 Dune Sculptor x 2
• 3 Frost Nova x 2
• 3 Stargazer Luna x 1
• 5 Giggling Inventor x 2
• 6 Blizzard x 2
• 8 Archivist Elysiana x 1
• 12 Mountain Giant x 2

9,960 Dust 800 0 Copy Deck Code

Eye-catching how much dust it costs compared to say The Witchwood era. He should have gone back to a League of Explorers-era meta though, as highlander decks have been reintroduced into standard and effective singletons tend not to use the cheap stuff. But ... were the original Reno Jackson decks cheaper than today's Reno-using Mage?

Also, take note that the argument of "make aggro decks because they're cheap" is falling flat, according to the numbers.

Old Guardian is a decent HS streamer on YouTube to check out for those learning the game, looking for deck ideas or how-tos on using popular decks. (Also has a unique voice, he should be cast as a magicka-using Nord quest giver in The Elder Scrolls games.)

Bloke says he's going to promote budget decks soon, btw. Good on him.

Hi all!  I just wanted to take a minute and celebrate completing 500 wins will all 9 classes.  I just finished Paladin using Quest Pally, which also lined up with my 7000th overall win.  I know many others have many more wins, but this is an exciting milestone for me, so I thought I'd share.

Anyone else hit an important HS milestone recently?  Any upcoming?

Cheers...

Created this thread for two reasons:

1. Is it just my local meta or is the Hakkar card back still what maybe 10% of everyone else's opponents use as well? Obviously it was everywhere 6 months ago when it was released, but I'm surprised at how prevalent it still is - it's definitely the one single back I see most often by a wide margin. Just me or are others seeing this too? DO you think it's because it's a true favortie or just people being too lazy/not caring enough to manually change their favorite after it was auto-changed to Hakkar?

2. While we're on the subject, I'm curious how does everyone else use cardbacks? I like to find a back that fits the deck i.e. Machine Dreams (https://outof.cards/hearthstone/card-backs/110-machine-dreams) for my Mech Warrior, VanCardback (https://outof.cards/hearthstone/card-backs/94-vancardback) for Burgle Rogue, Moonwell (https://outof.cards/hearthstone/card-backs/96-moonwell) for Quest Druid, etc. So do others have a different back for each deck, one favorite they use for everything, is still using the basic back because they could not care less?