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YES! FINALLY!

I, for one, welcome our Demon overlords with open arms! 

With 4 mana available he gives the mass silence from priest class

He’s good!

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Thanks for the answer, now that makes some sense. So know, let's find a way to force him to give silence, if it's possible.

This is me just guessing, but if you play him with only 2 mana left, so that you have 0 left after, he might take that into account and offer Silence?

This seems like the best option to try and "force" Silence. Alternatively I do recall if you play him with no mana avaiable it will offer options based on the mana you will have next turn as well, so play him at 0 mana on turn 3 and he might offer that Hex for your 4-mana next turn?

I hereby invite you to join the "Nerf Ramming Speed now!" action group.  We have members all over the world and have many high profile (grim) patrons.

I am currently engaged in commissioning Ben Brode to write and perform a "Nerf Ramming Speed now!" rap video set in a balloon factory.

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Thanks for the answer, now that makes some sense. So know, let's find a way to force him to give silence, if it's possible.

This is me just guessing, but if you play him with only 2 mana left, so that you have 0 left after, he might take that into account and offer Silence?

Thanks for the answer, now that makes some sense. So know, let's find a way to force him to give silence, if it's possible.

Silence costs 0

Are you sped?

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I am SO looking forward to trying this out... never played a SMOrc deck and this looks like a ton of fun.  Even if I lose, it will still be a good time!

I was trying to find the article but failed - I recall one of the devs answered this before that Zephrys recognizes Deathrattles but does not understand the effects of Deathrattles, so when offering removal options for Deathrattle minions he will prioritize 1) mana available 2) removal 3) that won't activate the Deathrattles.

So if you only have 2 mana to spend then he'll just give you basic removal since cost comes first, then removal. Only if you had 4 mana available would he have offered Hex.  

Hi everyone,

Try to guess: which card is guaranteed to NOT appear in zephrys pool when Rouge plays necrium apothecary?

Anyone facing similar situation?

They deserve to spend some time with their families and not have to focus on a game that already takes up alot of their attention. 

This was a smart move, it doesn't gut shaman, just slows it down and gives you much needed time to mount a counter. 

While Apothecary can lead to big swing turns, its a gamble. Don't draw them and you're looking at a handful of bad plays. It will probably go to 5mana eventually though. 

Ramming Speed is overly problematic indeed - almost as problematic as the stack of 9+ I got - Blizz please 

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What does EV mean?

But will this be enough to take down shaman from the Supreme Tier?

Not sure how those changes will impact, but I'm just really satisfied of Blizz pro-activity balancing their newest game mode ; if only Standard and Wild were getting the same treatment...

I think last time it was active for Wild cards, that came to Standard.

It was run in Even Shaman, but not for the same reason as Mogu. It was just played as a Zoo card, whereas Mogu was essentially a disgusting board control + highroll potential.

They definitely recently added a new sorting method in the bottom left - where you can sort by sets - that let you see recently changed cards, but it doesn't seem to have been activated for these changes.

I don't remember when it was last there for changes, just that it was a thing at some point. They should bring that back.

I don't see any of these nerfs changing anything.  They should have changed the text for corrupt elementalist to only invoke once.  They have a quest reward that isn't hard to complete that lets your battlecries trigger twice.  Now they just gave the player more time to complete the quest and invoke 4 times with one card. 

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I'm not sure you can do this kind of "analytics" with the methodology you briefly describe. Mainly because cards aren't created in a vacuum and the stronger cards tend to be highly synergistic with strong decks and/or in relations to standing/future "counter-cards", regardless of their overall "face strength".

To use your example:

Dragon's Pack is a spell, so can be stopped entirely by Counterspell. Scion of Ruin has no such "total" counter.

Additionally, Scion being a dragon means you have an innate tribal synergy (think of all the "if you're holding a dragon" cards or War Master Voone for examples) that you don't account for in your "EV." Also, Dragon Pack synergizes with the Evoke mechanic ONLY, whereas Scion can also synergize with the playing of Galakrond itself - i.e. be drawn/given +4/+4 so then you get three 7/6s with rush for 3 mana.

So to say that the Pack is "1.5 EV stronger" is based on an incomplete methodology.

You're right, but I'm considering the cards as standalones. I'm not taking in consideration synergies or counters.

I've compared 2 cards with the same condition to make a comparasion of their "vanilla" value. I would like to put the focus on the card itself and not on the possible interaction between other cards.

That was his point though. If you're doing that, you're completely ignoring important aspects of the card.

 

This is correct that was exactly my point: this is a card game - it is virtually impossible to correctly measure the strength of the cards in a vacuum of stats (which you aren't even doing in its entirety if you're ignoring things like Tribe - there's more to the "vacuum face value" of a card than cost/attack/hp).

Even your example with Saronite vs Pack isn't entirely apt because powercreep/"inflation" is a real, if not entirely measurable, force. How many jokes are there each expansion about "X card [from 5 expansions ago] cries in a corner"? AT THE TIME Sarnoite was printed it may well have been "EV"-good; it's only in a relative comparison to a new card that it looks "worse."

So in typing that last paragraph it occurred to me that maybe that might the thing you could do with this idea - try to compare old vs new cards to see if you can "measure" powercreep? Otherwise you will be chasing your tail forever given how many of the "strongest" cards aren't that way because of their face stats, but how they interact with other conditions/cards (hello there, Mogu Fleshshaper!)

 As a totally unbiased person who definitely isn't motivated by self interest I heartily agree with your  Ramming Speed nerf demand.

*checks collection* I am less concerned with Chromatic Egg though :)