Ok, so I have been thinking. If Burn Mages are the new plague in wild and Reno/Armour decks try to counter them, then a potential counter to both sides should be Thief Priest. My deck has the potential to outvalue Reno and to heal against Burn Mage (there are faster thief priest builds, which are suited better for this job but still). So I've cut 1x Seance and 1x Shifting Shade for 2x Penances. And imho having an answer to Kirin Tor Mage is really nice, though in some cases I prefer Fourbidden Words like Hench-Clan Thug.
If you all browse the sub-reddit on a regular basis I'm sure you've seen numerous posts where people are asking, begging, pleading for new game modes/formats. Funny thing is, they just shout them at the devs without any explanation as to what they really want and never get down to the nitty gritty of what they're actually asking for. Since we just had WoW classic launch and some card nerfs I think it would be a good time to elaborate on some ideas that I think could potentially be implemented into the game without much change to how the game itself functions.
The way these formats are structured is that the higher on the list the format is, the more deck restrictions that exist. The further down, more deck freedom.
The Formats are: Grandmaster Standard Tables Pyramid Brawl Block Wild
Grandmaster: -The most strict format, it is designed for the players who are at the absolute top of HS.
-Uses Standard cards
-Ranks 50-1 do not exist.
-You must play 25 matches before getting your placement number, then you proceed to climbing like you would the regular ladder. --Pretty much placement matches to see where you are in relation to the other players you face. --The number will change while you are offline. ---You beat opponents A and B but lost to opponent C. Opponent C beats opponents A and B while you were offline and climbs higher than you. ---Prevents people from just sitting at a rank.
-This format exists so Team 5 can selectively remove cards from the format in case of them being over powered. See Dr. Boom, Mad Genius, Conjurer's Calling, and Luna's Pocket Galaxy. --Team 5 can also selectively ban cards that just simply see too much play. --Team 5 can also ban cards that cause an OTK, or an overpowered combo that can't be played against.
-As to whether or not this format grants eligibility for Blizzard events/tournaments should be considered. I would like for this to be the replacement for the current Standard Tournament format we have now.
Standard: -Should be left unchanged and left the way players are familiar with.
-If the Grandmaster format is implemented, the Standard format will most likely never be used for tournaments.
Tables: -Play with sets during a Standard year.
-Classic and Basic sets will be legal at all tables.
-Playing at the Kraken Table means that you are playing cards that were Standard legal in the Year of the Kraken. --So on and so forth with every other year. --"Launch year" will be used for the table that has Naxx, GVG, BRM, TGT, and LOE
-Undecided if this should rotate monthly or have all Tables present all year long.
-Table doesn't exist until the standard year has ended.
-Obviously shouldn't have a tournament presence.
-Legend Ranks within those Tables.
Pyramid: -Undecided if Wild cards should be used for this format.
-Restarts at the Standard rotation every year.
-At the end of every month, the top %10 of cards included into decks (not win percentage based) are banned.
-Beginning of the year and when expansions release are very unbalanced but should level out within 1-2 months after. -New cards are only added when the mode resets at the start of the standard year.
-Possible for fun tournament setting for Blizzard to host similar to The Wild Open.
-Has Legend Rank.
Brawl Block: -If you've played the Brawl you know what I'm talking about, if you haven't go look it up really quick.
-Rotates monthly.
-Has Legend Rank.
-Tournaments unlikely, due to monthly rotation.
Wild: -Yep, It's Wild.
These formats wouldn't require too much work for Blizzard to do and I think it would be healthy not only for the players being able to play their old cards, but for Team 5 to sell old packs sounds like a win-win.
Duppie says that priest was the best deck in tournaments, yet only one priest made the top 8 at the recent Masters tournament, and didn't even end up in the top 4. The top 4 were two mages, a warrior, and a hunter. Hmmm ....
Priest had the highest overall winrate as a class at the whole event by far (59%) to mage (50%) and warrior (46%). Basing the power level of the decks off the few games in the finals doesn't make sense, being the best deck doesn't mean its 100% winrate and never loses. The quantity of mages and warriors was greatly in their favor. Dog's freeze mage wasn't the best deck in the game even though he won the vegas tour with it.
Rezan looks fun! Not a bad idea, surely good enough to see play. How many priest and warrior decks want their starting hero power? How many agro decks would like to gamble on steadyshot or lifetap? Sir Finley is still good in wild, I play him in lots of decks. This would be a fun way to bring it back to standard, and still a nice alternative in Wild.
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@Shakey, I believe the best build runs both Nomi and Phaoris. Although that was mainly to counter warrior. You would first bait out their removal with Phaoris and Cenarius, and then slam down multiple Nomi waves.
That actually sounds really good and would love to try that but it also means crafting Phaoris aswell, so it'll go on my 'to craft' list
Regarding the Quest Wall Priest I just got to legend from rank 2 having only 1 loss against Quest Druid (lol).
This is also my first time ever reaching legend so its pretty exciting, feel like I made the right choice there
Hey good stuff! Nice to see your crafting choice worked out regardless.
Phaoris might not even be necessary in the quest druid deck anymore at this point. It was required to beat warrior before the nerfs because of their insane amount of removal and high playrate. If the latter has significantly lowered it may very well be better to run a good anti aggro card instead of Phaoris.
In fairness I did say it wasn't the best deck, and was just what I had lying around on my f2p Asia account that worked.
The game I won I stomped Mr King, he had 4 cards left in the deck and 2/3 in hand whereas I was still going and had 6 cards in my deck. With approaching 200 life and 55 armor gain each turn, I won handily.
Of course it takes a good start. I think more value would be better than Eternium Rover - perhaps more taunt generators etc.
Conceal
agreed.
Ice Lance
Hate this card. so good!
The Supreme Pillage of Uldum
Creator's Notes.
Ok, so I have been thinking. If Burn Mages are the new plague in wild and Reno/Armour decks try to counter them, then a potential counter to both sides should be Thief Priest. My deck has the potential to outvalue Reno and to heal against Burn Mage (there are faster thief priest builds, which are suited better for this job but still). So I've cut 1x Seance and 1x Shifting Shade for 2x Penances. And imho having an answer to Kirin Tor Mage is really nice, though in some cases I prefer Fourbidden Words like Hench-Clan Thug.
Captain's Parrot
shoulda been 1 mana
Murkspark Eel
I cant see this card NOT being played in even shaman ever. 5 star card.
Mind Blast
I will not miss this card in standard. ever.
Black Cat
solid 3 drop
F2P Paladin
I'd give this a go at rank 50! probably works good.
Tokens on a budget
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Six Formats Hearthstone Could Easily Have
If you all browse the sub-reddit on a regular basis I'm sure you've seen numerous posts where people are asking, begging, pleading for new game modes/formats. Funny thing is, they just shout them at the devs without any explanation as to what they really want and never get down to the nitty gritty of what they're actually asking for. Since we just had WoW classic launch and some card nerfs I think it would be a good time to elaborate on some ideas that I think could potentially be implemented into the game without much change to how the game itself functions.
The way these formats are structured is that the higher on the list the format is, the more deck restrictions that exist. The further down, more deck freedom.
The Formats are:
Grandmaster
Standard
Tables
Pyramid
Brawl Block
Wild
Grandmaster:
-The most strict format, it is designed for the players who are at the absolute top of HS.
-Uses Standard cards
-Ranks 50-1 do not exist.
-You must play 25 matches before getting your placement number, then you proceed to climbing like you would the regular ladder.
--Pretty much placement matches to see where you are in relation to the other players you face.
--The number will change while you are offline.
---You beat opponents A and B but lost to opponent C. Opponent C beats opponents A and B while you were offline and climbs higher than you.
---Prevents people from just sitting at a rank.
-This format exists so Team 5 can selectively remove cards from the format in case of them being over powered. See Dr. Boom, Mad Genius, Conjurer's Calling, and Luna's Pocket Galaxy.
--Team 5 can also selectively ban cards that just simply see too much play.
--Team 5 can also ban cards that cause an OTK, or an overpowered combo that can't be played against.
-As to whether or not this format grants eligibility for Blizzard events/tournaments should be considered. I would like for this to be the replacement for the current Standard Tournament format we have now.
Standard:
-Should be left unchanged and left the way players are familiar with.
-If the Grandmaster format is implemented, the Standard format will most likely never be used for tournaments.
Tables:
-Play with sets during a Standard year.
-Classic and Basic sets will be legal at all tables.
-Playing at the Kraken Table means that you are playing cards that were Standard legal in the Year of the Kraken.
--So on and so forth with every other year.
--"Launch year" will be used for the table that has Naxx, GVG, BRM, TGT, and LOE
-Undecided if this should rotate monthly or have all Tables present all year long.
-Table doesn't exist until the standard year has ended.
-Obviously shouldn't have a tournament presence.
-Legend Ranks within those Tables.
Pyramid:
-Undecided if Wild cards should be used for this format.
-Restarts at the Standard rotation every year.
-At the end of every month, the top %10 of cards included into decks (not win percentage based) are banned.
-Beginning of the year and when expansions release are very unbalanced but should level out within 1-2 months after.
-New cards are only added when the mode resets at the start of the standard year.
-Possible for fun tournament setting for Blizzard to host similar to The Wild Open.
-Has Legend Rank.
Brawl Block:
-If you've played the Brawl you know what I'm talking about, if you haven't go look it up really quick.
-Rotates monthly.
-Has Legend Rank.
-Tournaments unlikely, due to monthly rotation.
Wild:
-Yep, It's Wild.
These formats wouldn't require too much work for Blizzard to do and I think it would be healthy not only for the players being able to play their old cards, but for Team 5 to sell old packs sounds like a win-win.
If you have anything else to add don't hesitate.
Edit 10NOV: Bonus 7th format made by this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3q4lss8mWE&list=LLxAejYPRSehTkS2VzxbXn9A&index=2&t=42s
Why was Aggro Priest nerfed so fast compared to pretty much all other aggro decks?
Priest had the highest overall winrate as a class at the whole event by far (59%) to mage (50%) and warrior (46%). Basing the power level of the decks off the few games in the finals doesn't make sense, being the best deck doesn't mean its 100% winrate and never loses. The quantity of mages and warriors was greatly in their favor. Dog's freeze mage wasn't the best deck in the game even though he won the vegas tour with it.
It was looking quite strong in open cups too.
Tokens on a budget
Wow. cheap as heck! nice list and guide!
The Pepper Thread - Share Some Good Vibes!
Ever since I reached legend, I've decided to goof around there with my Thief Priest. Just won a couple of games and achieved this rank:
I know, that that's not impressive considering the number of people here, but meme is a meme.
DAILY QUEST - play 20 rogue cards
Pretty sure this one also does not require a list - but once again, sure haha
Out of Budget to Hire Pirates!
Sweet budget pw! goes to show you dont need everything and can still get wins
Kripp's Budget Tempo
it works. My kid runs this list. put SI's instead of blink foxes cuz he had em
DAILY QUEST - play 12 taunt minions
Pretty sure no one needs a list to figure out how to play taunt minions - haha but okay
Budget Aggro Warrior
SMORC!
Budget Aggro Rogue
not too shabby. its crazy how good this can actually be and its cheap.
Glory of the Zandalari - Custom Event
Rezan looks fun! Not a bad idea, surely good enough to see play. How many priest and warrior decks want their starting hero power? How many agro decks would like to gamble on steadyshot or lifetap? Sir Finley is still good in wild, I play him in lots of decks. This would be a fun way to bring it back to standard, and still a nice alternative in Wild.
Starter Mage
Good post! I remember being so lost at the beginning and now knowing what to make.
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Need to craft something
Thanks man! Appreciate all the helpful advices :)
heigan work in progress
a few eggs short of a basket
Lich King vs Mech Warrior (use Platebreaker!)
Thank you for that insightful comment.
In fairness I did say it wasn't the best deck, and was just what I had lying around on my f2p Asia account that worked.
The game I won I stomped Mr King, he had 4 cards left in the deck and 2/3 in hand whereas I was still going and had 6 cards in my deck. With approaching 200 life and 55 armor gain each turn, I won handily.
Of course it takes a good start. I think more value would be better than Eternium Rover - perhaps more taunt generators etc.