I'm just glad there's no hero attached. I'm a collector, but I try to limit my spending to pre-orders. So I got Mecha Jaraxxus, Lazul and Elise, but skipped the Thunder King. But I want them all. I'm happy to skip this bundle as it has nothing I need.
they could just add a new 12-cost minion with a good battlecry and average/weak body - reducing the odds of getting something huge either way. Also you'd be taking a risk every time you CC a wounded big 12-minion to get bad ones, wasting the twinspell
As always, Blizz not nerfing more than 5-6 cards. That's mean dr. boom, conj calling and 3-4 other cards, my guess - it's Eterium rover, or how named 1-3 war mech plus some common-rare mage card idk who. What i want to nerf - lens plus tip the scales combo, it's not normal when you lost on turn 5 coz of perfect rng, but it's both epic cards Blizz never nerf so many high cost cards. Also, some hunter cards idk who too, some classic or basic, coz of Blizz loves nerfing basic and classic not Project 9 or broken mechs and magnethic.
PS oh, priest will be nerfed too, it's not what i wanted, but i think, they will nerf divine spirit.
You are right, and indeed that is the exact response you would get from a Blizzard employee in regards to this issue, in fact i vaguely remember one of them saying that about the Dalaraan Heist release date. But that is a side effect not the real reason for the delay, if all they cared about is players having something to do they wouldn't have started putting 80% of the single player content behind a paywall. Remember, when they announced that they are abandoning card adventures for 3 expansions per year they said we would be getting FREE adventures with every expansion, yet here we are.
Imagine if they were honest in that announcement, they would have to say something like this:
"Hey guys we know you like adventures but they just don't bring in as much money as selling card packs. But don't worry, you will now be able to buy adventures for $20 each, only instead of getting a complete card set for your money, you will get 1500 dust. And to help with this transition, we will give you the first few adventures free of charge and the only downside is that they will have about 20% of the content paid adventures will have"
This may be a consideration but I believe it's mostly to both keep the game fresh and have more development time rather than greediness and making the packs "less valuable"
Is there a way to close a thread? I started this one over 2 months ago, and I'm very pleased with the discussion it generated. At this point, people are just repeating what others have already said, sometimes several times over. I think folks ought to read through the whole thread before posting, but in this case, can we just shut it down? There won't be anything new to say until Blizzard announces any change to Whizbang, if they ever do.
True, but the forums are not having high enough traffic or anything I don't see anything wrong if some people have debates or anything important to say..
Time to nerf Big Priest 1st Blizzard. We Wild players are waiting 2 years for the nerfs so we have priority compared to these few months of Galaxy/Dr Boom issues.
Might just be me but in the past days I haven't seen a single big priest (R4-1, EU). That's the one upside from the massive influx of secret mages, I guess.
I'd love to see Divine Spirit replaced with, say a 2-mana +4 health buff spell. About the same effect on a lot of normal minions, but not "double" so it'd be a lot more safe in extreme cases.
My guess is that Inner Fire can exist as a safe card, if health levels aren't getting absurd from doubling. With a flat-bonus Divine Spirit, the DS/IF combo becomes a 3-mana Blessing of Kings for two cards. Shrug. Maybe Inner Fire still could pose a problem, but fixing Divine Spirit first seems like a wise step (and a necessary one, since there are things like Crazed Alchemist in the classic set).
Ironically every card you mentioned does not see any relevant play in wild, except maybe Dr. Boom. And he isn't broken there. Frankly Barnes is most people's frustration in wild, and mine as well
Or Blizzard gives you the opportunity to play until you had enough and then you'll get a new content to play until the fatigue will hurt you again and then the card changes will hit so we will always gonna have something to do
I'm not a priest main, although I only like playing its thief archtype in wild, but I want to ask the following question:
If the devs were to HoF the Inner Fire package, what would be left of priest? Zoo? Resurrect/Deathrattle? Thief? Shadowform? All of those don't have enough support in standard (at least imo). Mind Blast got HoFed, so with the HoF to IF/DS combo priest would be officially shut down. The class needs tons of defensive tools to build a good control deck and even then they can't really outvalue control warrior.
I agree that would be best, but sadly I'm guessing that would be "too complex" of a change for them to implement. They'd HoF Mountain Giant before doing that.
Am i the only person on the planet who realizes the real reason why they're releasing it so long after the expansion launched is so they make more money/syphon out more gold from players by reducing the value you get from the 15 packs that come with the adventure?
Opening packs of a new expansion is worth way more than opening packs from the previous one since you mostly open cards you don't have and thus don't have to craft them, everyone knows that. The more cards from a set you own the less value you get from opening those packs.
Let's say they release the adventure when the expansion launches or soon after, if you plan to buy for example 30 packs and craft the stuff you don't open, you just get the adventure + an aditional 15 packs, done - you spent $40
But Activision won't allow that, instead you have 2 options - either wait 3 months(remeber you get all the packs when all the wings are released) which is more than half the expansions lifetime so you can do the above and get full value, or buy the 30 packs immediately and then buy the adventure when it releases which in total costs you $60
By releasing the full adventure 3 months after the expansion launches blizzard is effectively making $20 extra from every player who is interested in the solo content.
Some other examples of greed, the real reason they abandoned the 1 expansion 1 adventure model is because adventures give you all the cards guaranteed, no gambling involved and thus less money for them. They promised free adventures when they announced that (hah!) but now we are getting reskinned dungeon runs for $20 that effectively reward you with an average 1500 dust. The real reason unplayable cards like Harbinger Celestia exist is to dilute the pool making it less likely to get the cards you need so you buy more packs. I would not at all be surprised if packs were tuned so you are 0.1% more likely to open an Octosari instead of Zephrys, it seems insignificant but makes them a lot of money over millions of customers. This is also part of the reason for abandoning adventures, you get all the cards anyway so diluting the pool earns them no extra cash.
Divine Spirit is probably up some at least some consideration, but I'd hate to see it leave now. I am digging the new Combo Priest, and I don't want to give it up!
It'd probably push Priest back into Resurrection / Quest mode, and be (again) an indirect nerf to a Legendary (High Priest Amet).
The Hearthstone Explorer's Bundle - 20 Standard Packs + 1 Uldum Legendary
Already got it, so I'm safe.. right? guys..?
I'm gonna get Supreme Archaeology, aren't I?
The Hearthstone Explorer's Bundle - 20 Standard Packs + 1 Uldum Legendary
I'm just glad there's no hero attached. I'm a collector, but I try to limit my spending to pre-orders. So I got Mecha Jaraxxus, Lazul and Elise, but skipped the Thunder King. But I want them all. I'm happy to skip this bundle as it has nothing I need.
The Hearthstone Explorer's Bundle - 20 Standard Packs + 1 Uldum Legendary
Small savings. Legendary nice but not enough.
Will they move Whizbang to the Classic set?
My reason might be totally selfish then. Since I'm the one who started the thread, I get notifications every time someone posts to it.
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they could just add a new 12-cost minion with a good battlecry and average/weak body - reducing the odds of getting something huge either way. Also you'd be taking a risk every time you CC a wounded big 12-minion to get bad ones, wasting the twinspell
The Hearthstone Explorer's Bundle - 20 Standard Packs + 1 Uldum Legendary
Got Colossus of the Moon. RIP
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They will add Radiance 2.0 for them and here is your win condition.
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Wisp to 1 mana.
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As always, Blizz not nerfing more than 5-6 cards. That's mean dr. boom, conj calling and 3-4 other cards, my guess - it's Eterium rover, or how named 1-3 war mech plus some common-rare mage card idk who. What i want to nerf - lens plus tip the scales combo, it's not normal when you lost on turn 5 coz of perfect rng, but it's both epic cards Blizz never nerf so many high cost cards. Also, some hunter cards idk who too, some classic or basic, coz of Blizz loves nerfing basic and classic not Project 9 or broken mechs and magnethic.
PS oh, priest will be nerfed too, it's not what i wanted, but i think, they will nerf divine spirit.
Pricing of Tomb of Terror
You are right, and indeed that is the exact response you would get from a Blizzard employee in regards to this issue, in fact i vaguely remember one of them saying that about the Dalaraan Heist release date. But that is a side effect not the real reason for the delay, if all they cared about is players having something to do they wouldn't have started putting 80% of the single player content behind a paywall. Remember, when they announced that they are abandoning card adventures for 3 expansions per year they said we would be getting FREE adventures with every expansion, yet here we are.
Imagine if they were honest in that announcement, they would have to say something like this:
"Hey guys we know you like adventures but they just don't bring in as much money as selling card packs. But don't worry, you will now be able to buy adventures for $20 each, only instead of getting a complete card set for your money, you will get 1500 dust. And to help with this transition, we will give you the first few adventures free of charge and the only downside is that they will have about 20% of the content paid adventures will have"
Pricing of Tomb of Terror
This may be a consideration but I believe it's mostly to both keep the game fresh and have more development time rather than greediness and making the packs "less valuable"
Hakkar card back/favorite back?
Probably cause lazy,.
I use the random card back for having over 100 card backs
Will they move Whizbang to the Classic set?
True, but the forums are not having high enough traffic or anything I don't see anything wrong if some people have debates or anything important to say..
Card Balance Announcement Likely Coming this Week!
Might just be me but in the past days I haven't seen a single big priest (R4-1, EU). That's the one upside from the massive influx of secret mages, I guess.
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Everyone forgot about the usual rogue quest nerf
it now reads: add 5 cards from other classes to your hand.
Jokes aside, I think this time they won't be too harsh and the decks will still be played after the nerfs just with more weaknesses.
I don't know much about the combo priest deck, is it too broken? They already told us they could Hof Divine Spirit, so I wouldn't be suprised.
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I'd love to see Divine Spirit replaced with, say a 2-mana +4 health buff spell. About the same effect on a lot of normal minions, but not "double" so it'd be a lot more safe in extreme cases.
My guess is that Inner Fire can exist as a safe card, if health levels aren't getting absurd from doubling. With a flat-bonus Divine Spirit, the DS/IF combo becomes a 3-mana Blessing of Kings for two cards. Shrug. Maybe Inner Fire still could pose a problem, but fixing Divine Spirit first seems like a wise step (and a necessary one, since there are things like Crazed Alchemist in the classic set).
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Ironically every card you mentioned does not see any relevant play in wild, except maybe Dr. Boom. And he isn't broken there. Frankly Barnes is most people's frustration in wild, and mine as well
Hakkar card back/favorite back?
my favorite card backs are eye of cthun and yogg-saron one
because i like old gods
Pricing of Tomb of Terror
Or Blizzard gives you the opportunity to play until you had enough and then you'll get a new content to play until the fatigue will hurt you again and then the card changes will hit so we will always gonna have something to do
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Proposed Nerfs
Dr Boom - For the rest of the game, the mechs that started in your deck have rush
Omega Devastator - loses mech tribe, there is a goblin piloting it, who has a voice over FFS...
Brawl - 7 mana up from 5
Pocket Galaxy- 6 mana up from 5
Conjurer's Calling- 4 mana up from 3
Mountian Giant - HoF
Prismatic Lens - 5 mana up from 4
Making Mummies - 6 reborn minions, up from 5
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I'm not a priest main, although I only like playing its thief archtype in wild, but I want to ask the following question:
If the devs were to HoF the Inner Fire package, what would be left of priest? Zoo? Resurrect/Deathrattle? Thief? Shadowform? All of those don't have enough support in standard (at least imo). Mind Blast got HoFed, so with the HoF to IF/DS combo priest would be officially shut down. The class needs tons of defensive tools to build a good control deck and even then they can't really outvalue control warrior.
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I agree that would be best, but sadly I'm guessing that would be "too complex" of a change for them to implement. They'd HoF Mountain Giant before doing that.
Pricing of Tomb of Terror
Am i the only person on the planet who realizes the real reason why they're releasing it so long after the expansion launched is so they make more money/syphon out more gold from players by reducing the value you get from the 15 packs that come with the adventure?
Opening packs of a new expansion is worth way more than opening packs from the previous one since you mostly open cards you don't have and thus don't have to craft them, everyone knows that. The more cards from a set you own the less value you get from opening those packs.
Let's say they release the adventure when the expansion launches or soon after, if you plan to buy for example 30 packs and craft the stuff you don't open, you just get the adventure + an aditional 15 packs, done - you spent $40
But Activision won't allow that, instead you have 2 options - either wait 3 months(remeber you get all the packs when all the wings are released) which is more than half the expansions lifetime so you can do the above and get full value, or buy the 30 packs immediately and then buy the adventure when it releases which in total costs you $60
By releasing the full adventure 3 months after the expansion launches blizzard is effectively making $20 extra from every player who is interested in the solo content.
Some other examples of greed, the real reason they abandoned the 1 expansion 1 adventure model is because adventures give you all the cards guaranteed, no gambling involved and thus less money for them. They promised free adventures when they announced that (hah!) but now we are getting reskinned dungeon runs for $20 that effectively reward you with an average 1500 dust. The real reason unplayable cards like Harbinger Celestia exist is to dilute the pool making it less likely to get the cards you need so you buy more packs. I would not at all be surprised if packs were tuned so you are 0.1% more likely to open an Octosari instead of Zephrys, it seems insignificant but makes them a lot of money over millions of customers. This is also part of the reason for abandoning adventures, you get all the cards anyway so diluting the pool earns them no extra cash.
Card Balance Announcement Likely Coming this Week!
Divine Spirit is probably up some at least some consideration, but I'd hate to see it leave now. I am digging the new Combo Priest, and I don't want to give it up!
It'd probably push Priest back into Resurrection / Quest mode, and be (again) an indirect nerf to a Legendary (High Priest Amet).
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