People on Reddit did the calcs.. the rewards are not the same,
Everything that is wrong:
-The exp per game played is pathetic
- The rewards are less than they used to be
-Pack rewards are terrible (Specially year of the dragon packs.. at level 45...)
-The tavern pass is not part of the preorder
-Blizzard makes content creators to shut up about it or ELSE (this is the worst part tbh..)
I will let zeddy talk:
I am hovering over that uninstall button.. not china.. not other controversies done it. not the fact that I was barely playing anymore anyway.. this.. is just the last straw I was expecting this system hoped it would be awesome and all.. but nope it's a big slap in the face!
My go to card game is gonna be LoR from now on, was for a while anyway, see you there.
Its still too soon to see if they would double down on this. I'm fairly certainly they will eventually tweak the rewards, maybe before the release of Darkmoon, or somewhere around 2 weeks to a month.
Its obvious right now that nearly every player is hating it and if they don't resolve this shit then its likely that all future events would be drown out by this particular period of history.
Not that I subscribe to the conspiracy theory of where corporate pushes unacceptable bs now and then later hailed as heroes for fixing the mess they started in the first place, but if they do fix this system, that would be a good start to reset relations.
Honestly we should really begin asking ourselves how the Hearthstone monitisation is even ethical anymore. Blizzard expects us to drop 80$, more than any AAA-game on release date, three times a year - and you get like 30% of the expansion, not even all of it!
I shiver when I think how much money they got from me over the years.
Just like every other blizzard Activision controversy they will just sweep it under the rug and people will still play. Reddit will soy for the game after a couple weeks and forget all about this when trolden or some other reactionary posts a video about yogg or some dumb shit. I foresaw this coming when this system was announced. Itll be shit, people will complain, actiblizz wont do shit about it. People will forget and move on. Just like them changing the card art for china. Just like them banning casters for no reason just like everything.and I pity you if you thought this wouldn't happen. An orangutan can notice patterns better than this.
Probably the second worse Battle Pass I've seen behind The Avengers Battle Passess. This system as it stands completly kills F2P and has now become P2W. It incentivises you to buy both preorders just to make sure you have enough cards to compete in the meta and have fun decksperimenting. Probably by the time you complete it and start earning and saving gold as you level up (You know, the thing that people want to do before the next expansion), the new expanison will be just around the corner. And let's not forget the mini-expanison in-between that. This is probably f**king Activision getting their greedy hands on Blizzard's games and monitizing the s**t out of them just to increase profits. Well you are going to turn alot of heads for both Veterans and new players if things stay the way they are.
Its still too soon to see if they would double down on this. I'm fairly certainly they will eventually tweak the rewards, maybe before the release of Darkmoon, or somewhere around 2 weeks to a month.
I highly doubt that Blizzard would try to change the new system that they just released. The earliest time they would probably change the system is probably the next expansion after Darkmoon Faire, and I think that by itself is already an optimistic prediction. They took a while to implement the tavern pass system in the first place and if they are probably going to change it drastically, it's probably going to take a lot of effort and that's something they probably don't have anymore.
Take my words with a grain of salt. I'm unranked and only play casuals lmao.
Also not to mention... by adding 35 card miniexpansions (which is great) they increase the cardpool by 30%, so you should be able to earn 30% more resources just to keep up. But no, you will earn less.
I really hoped against all hope that Blizzard would not fuck this up, and it really ruined my mood for this whole expansion.
We as paying customers deserve at least some level of decency, especially since Blizzard seems content to just continue milking us without actually doing anything. Its a whole one step forward, three steps back.We need to keep Blizzard to at least some fucking standards, even after the Blizzard employee comes out and gives every synonym on the book for “sorry, we’ll try harder in the future”.
Yes, this changes pretty much suck. Now just to wait and see if they make some changes.
If something, they really can’t make a system that gives too many things at first or they will need to tune it down eventually and they “will be taking away things" from the players and everyone will really get pissed. So, I think they are at first introducing something that they can tune up and “give us extra things” and people will be happy instead.
Mother of god... I am happy I am done with this game. Hearing about this new reward system and reading about people feeling scammed after pack openings (pack system is really a terrible system) makes me feel so happy about playing LoR. I put a few bucks in the game to start with to get my collection going and now I am self-sufficient and can craft the remaning cards and the upcoming the expansion if I wanted to - and keep in mind that I am not a hardcore grinder.
What a cash grab Hearthstone has become. 2x pre-orders (140 EUR) AND a battlepas (20 EUR) AND you will probably still miss 50 % of the expansion? My fucking god.
My prediction: Blizzard is testing how far they can go, that is pretty obvious. Due to the backlash they will backtrack and improve the system (not to the previous level though), then issue a statement how sorry they are and how much they listen to player feedback (bla bla bla) and that they therefore have decided to improve the system. The improvement however will not be enough to reach the previous level. And then discussions will die down until the next time.
I am pretty pissed off right now, especially as I bought the pass on launch day (believed them that everything will be fine). Not ready to quit HS yet but I have decided to go full F2P for the foreseeable future. No longer paying money for this game is the only language they understand.
P.S. Also the timing of the release and lack of information before borders on insolence. They clearly timed this to not hurt the DF pre-sales, which tells us that they were fully aware of the fact that players will be worse off. I would go so far to say that some statements they made were on the border of intentional lies.
English is not my native language, so please excuse occasional mistakes
Solem followed in Zeddy's footsteps, he posted a rant against the new system (and everything wrong with HS, basically) in his channel. I hope other major streamers follow suit, though that's unlikely.
I still enjoy this game, but I have to admit that it's not worth spending money on anymore. I've been suckered into buying the pre-order bundles every single time since Witchwood just so I could play some competitive decks, but in the back of my mind I've always known how foolish it was to spend so much on something that won't even guarantee you getting all the cards in the expansion, or at the very least the legendaries or cards you want. But I bought them anyway because the F2P way is such a grind, it was just easier to give Blizzard my hard-earned money just so I could keep enjoying this game I love.
Like the other posters in this thread, I'm going to be F2P from now on. My collection's pretty good now and I've hoarded lots of dust, so it might not be too bad. I just feel bad for all the F2P and casual players that this new system is spitting on; the XP gain is so low, it doesn't matter how much rewards they could get since they'll need to grind 12+ hours just to level up. It's insane.
Even if the devs fix this issue with the Battle Pass, there's still the issue of how expensive the game has become. That reminds me, they'll be releasing another mini-expansion so w'll be forced to pony up again. Unless this game becomes cheaper, I won't be spending money on it anymore.
Its still too soon to see if they would double down on this. I'm fairly certainly they will eventually tweak the rewards, maybe before the release of Darkmoon, or somewhere around 2 weeks to a month.
I highly doubt that Blizzard would try to change the new system that they just released. The earliest time they would probably change the system is probably the next expansion after Darkmoon Faire, and I think that by itself is already an optimistic prediction. They took a while to implement the tavern pass system in the first place and if they are probably going to change it drastically, it's probably going to take a lot of effort and that's something they probably don't have anymore.
Probably not. Its all speculation obviously, but one good thing from this entire bs of a system is that its easily tweaked, from simply granting more xp on games to increasing the gold gained, maybe from 100 to 150.
Given all the fire and brimstone hanging around, if they still hope to sell even a small bundle out without causing a major backlash, then a quick fix would seem the sensible solution.
Its still too soon to see if they would double down on this. I'm fairly certainly they will eventually tweak the rewards, maybe before the release of Darkmoon, or somewhere around 2 weeks to a month.
I highly doubt that Blizzard would try to change the new system that they just released. The earliest time they would probably change the system is probably the next expansion after Darkmoon Faire, and I think that by itself is already an optimistic prediction. They took a while to implement the tavern pass system in the first place and if they are probably going to change it drastically, it's probably going to take a lot of effort and that's something they probably don't have anymore.
Probably not. Its all speculation obviously, but one good thing from this entire bs of a system is that its easily tweaked, from simply granting more xp on games to increasing the gold gained, maybe from 100 to 150.
Given all the fire and brimstone hanging around, if they still hope to sell even a small bundle out without causing a major backlash, then a quick fix would seem the sensible solution.
They know the whales don't care. They know the content creators with large followings won't speak out about it, they know reddit will forgot about it in a week just like before, they know nothing will happen. So why should they change anything.
Content creators are coming out making fun of people for trying to get them to spread awareness for this. Even leaving in the bit where someone mentions why they won't bring up these issues because they'll lose sponsorship from blizzard.
I've seen a few videos now from several HS creators and I'm inclined to agree with them.
I generally play most days, and whilst not being exclusively FTP (buying the bundle per expansion) there is a definitive difference in terms of rewards for play.
I half expect Blizzard to respond through re-instating the 10g per 3 wins, that way they keep their brand new system and satisfy the demand for change.
However, this is blizzard so you never know.
At this point I have spent too much money on these games to quit.
Now pass me another pack, and lets see what I pull.
Card games by nature are expensive and if anything, Blizzard has helped move it in the other direction. Prior to the Year of the Phoenix starting, we received a huge update that gave us duplicate protection for all rarities.
Now, I know this doesn't help with the legendary problem, where players want more legendary cards than they get because they are arguably the most important cards in the game, but at a baseline, Hearthstone did get cheaper to play.
But, back the battle pass. The math is definitely not working for a chunk of the players as it stands right now which has been disappointing. My biggest issue though with the whole problem is that we don't have the full picture yet. Yes, Blizzard fucked up and should have provided us with the full picture and it would have been great if they were to actually provide us with a preview of this before it went live. Of course, they did not because they can't write a blog post to save their own lives, but when they do, they do so to bump some unfortunate soul's card reveal.
Blizzard needs to announce either an immediate boost to the base level of experience or they need to tell us what we can expect from legendary quests. Are we going to have quests appear that give us 20k experience? If so, completing a handful of those is going to net you some huge swings in progression as we get deeper into the pass and it would be in line with receiving a few packs from a legendary quest.
And yeah, honestly, the premium pass should have been included in the mega bundle. In fact, a big change that I'd like to see, and I was even considering doing an article for it because I think it makes for an excellent discussion point, is I'd love to see them move the cosmetic Hero that comes with the mega bundle into the premium rewards track.
We now know that they are willing to bring expansion pre-order bonuses back to the shop and they have mentioned wanting to do this with heroes. I have my doubts that the most important item to boost pre-orders is the addition of a cosmetic hero so if they just dumped that into the pass, it provides two ways of obtaining it. The more expensive way, buying a ton of packs and getting the pass alongside it, and the cheaper way of just buying the pass.
They definitely have some work to do with their communication. It really hurts to see because I've always heard we're improving, things are going to be better, we're excited to interact more. Then it falls flat multiple times during a year. Blizzard doesn't really seem to value their community team as much anymore and instead focus their efforts on streamers. I get it, they have huge, live audiences with a measurable impact which is perfect for the execs that just love to talk those live numbers.
I'm sure many of you remember when we'd get bundles of packs to giveaway (as did other community sites) or cards to reveal and now that isn't a thing anymore for the non-streamers. It isn't that big of a deal since the traffic for a dedicated card reveal doesn't really matter much (it just ends up as an image across twitter, fb, reddit so you get no clicks) but it was one hell of a nice gesture. Sure, I loved the Scholomance Robe and Shoes that they gave me, and the stuff that came in the Warglaive box (that was super awesome), but that isn't something we get to share as a community. The card dump is wasted potential after the final stream is over - not everyone needs to get exciting cards, had them out in batches of 3 or 4 and let people create some cool content around them.
Ultimately, yes, they have a lot to work through with the new rewards track. I think it's a good start though and we're going in the right direction with it provided they open up and give us the full picture so we can continue to do the math on it.
Ramble out.
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There's a point where it's not a coincidence anymore and we've reached that i believe. There was a reason it took them so long to show EXACTLY how much experience we would be getting and how that equates to rewards. And i don't think it's fair comparing hearthstone to other card games in model because there is no resell value. When blizzard decides the game is over it's over. You get nothing. You lose. Good day sir. And unlike "WoW expansions played as they were then" there won't be a huge community backlash that blizzard will ignore for years before suing the pants off community members that recreated their game before they bring it back, they won't bring it back at all. Even artifact had a resell system. Where you got rewards in game that lead to the ability to get in game currency to buy packs and sell cards on the steam market. Wish hearthstone you get the dust system. Unpack a legendary for a class you don't like playing or will never see play? Guess what you can dust it for 1/4th of what it was originally worth. Tough luck buddy get 3 more lorewalker chos and you'll get something good. In yugioh or MTG or even pokemon cards you can buy a pack from a store for cheap and have the chance of selling what's inside for more based on the card's competitive value(anyone who's watched any maxmoefoe video will tell you that) but in hearthstone you get nothing, it's a closed loop system. And the returns are diminishing based on how much you put into it. In hearthstone you keep cards not because you want to use them but because you hope they get nerfed so blizzard finally gives you an excuse to get a good dust conversion for them. And lately they've even been finding ways to weasel out of that.
My feelings are almost exactly in line with Flux's post above. Hearthstone is 'expensive' but so are card games in general. As far as digital CCGs it has set the standard. MTGA is no less expensive. Not sure about LoR but it doesn't look that different to me.
I'm also going to give blizz more than a business day to make a statement or change. It's only been a whole business day on friday and most of the complaints amassed over the weekend. If they don't say something this week then I will start to feel some type of way.
It's also pretty disappointing that they would release it like this in the first place, because this isn't a "oh the community figured out it was too low for us". They knew.
If they just adjust the late track rewards, adjust the exp rate, i'll be fine. The new system itself is cool.
My feelings are almost exactly in line with Flux's post above. Hearthstone is 'expensive' but so are card games in general. As far as digital CCGs it has set the standard. MTGA is no less expensive. Not sure about LoR but it doesn't look that different to me.
The difference between the economy in MTGA/HS and LoR is massive. It's not even close. And this is coming from a former HS whale
LoR system makes the most sense you can get cards mostly from the class(region) you choose, you get cards at a much reasonable rate, you know which type of cards to expect, you get a weekly legendary of your choosing and at least enough dust to craft another by just completing quests daily.
Also the game is just better in general the only reason I was with HS is sunk cost and familiarity I guess (all my friends quit :( )
but now the decision is easier I was thinking about quitting but expected the new system to let me want to stay..
To top it off did you look at the new cards.. do they even look fun? except the 4 old gods? I am looking at them and they are either "more of the same" memes.. or one archtype I maybe want to try but it's probably bad and will cost me 10000 dust.
HS is expensive, when you buy the preorder you don't feel it as much..
People on Reddit did the calcs.. the rewards are not the same,
Everything that is wrong:
-The exp per game played is pathetic
- The rewards are less than they used to be
-Pack rewards are terrible (Specially year of the dragon packs.. at level 45...)
-The tavern pass is not part of the preorder
-Blizzard makes content creators to shut up about it or ELSE (this is the worst part tbh..)
I will let zeddy talk:
I am hovering over that uninstall button.. not china.. not other controversies done it. not the fact that I was barely playing anymore anyway.. this.. is just the last straw I was expecting this system hoped it would be awesome and all.. but nope it's a big slap in the face!
My go to card game is gonna be LoR from now on, was for a while anyway, see you there.
Edit: uninstalled the game.
Its still too soon to see if they would double down on this. I'm fairly certainly they will eventually tweak the rewards, maybe before the release of Darkmoon, or somewhere around 2 weeks to a month.
Its obvious right now that nearly every player is hating it and if they don't resolve this shit then its likely that all future events would be drown out by this particular period of history.
Not that I subscribe to the conspiracy theory of where corporate pushes unacceptable bs now and then later hailed as heroes for fixing the mess they started in the first place, but if they do fix this system, that would be a good start to reset relations.
Honestly we should really begin asking ourselves how the Hearthstone monitisation is even ethical anymore. Blizzard expects us to drop 80$, more than any AAA-game on release date, three times a year - and you get like 30% of the expansion, not even all of it!
I shiver when I think how much money they got from me over the years.
Just like every other blizzard Activision controversy they will just sweep it under the rug and people will still play. Reddit will soy for the game after a couple weeks and forget all about this when trolden or some other reactionary posts a video about yogg or some dumb shit. I foresaw this coming when this system was announced. Itll be shit, people will complain, actiblizz wont do shit about it. People will forget and move on. Just like them changing the card art for china. Just like them banning casters for no reason just like everything.and I pity you if you thought this wouldn't happen. An orangutan can notice patterns better than this.
Living like that.
Probably the second worse Battle Pass I've seen behind The Avengers Battle Passess. This system as it stands completly kills F2P and has now become P2W. It incentivises you to buy both preorders just to make sure you have enough cards to compete in the meta and have fun decksperimenting. Probably by the time you complete it and start earning and saving gold as you level up (You know, the thing that people want to do before the next expansion), the new expanison will be just around the corner. And let's not forget the mini-expanison in-between that. This is probably f**king Activision getting their greedy hands on Blizzard's games and monitizing the s**t out of them just to increase profits. Well you are going to turn alot of heads for both Veterans and new players if things stay the way they are.
As AngryJoe would say:
I highly doubt that Blizzard would try to change the new system that they just released. The earliest time they would probably change the system is probably the next expansion after Darkmoon Faire, and I think that by itself is already an optimistic prediction. They took a while to implement the tavern pass system in the first place and if they are probably going to change it drastically, it's probably going to take a lot of effort and that's something they probably don't have anymore.
Take my words with a grain of salt. I'm unranked and only play casuals lmao.
Also not to mention... by adding 35 card miniexpansions (which is great) they increase the cardpool by 30%, so you should be able to earn 30% more resources just to keep up. But no, you will earn less.
-=alfi=-
I really hoped against all hope that Blizzard would not fuck this up, and it really ruined my mood for this whole expansion.
We as paying customers deserve at least some level of decency, especially since Blizzard seems content to just continue milking us without actually doing anything. Its a whole one step forward, three steps back.We need to keep Blizzard to at least some fucking standards, even after the Blizzard employee comes out and gives every synonym on the book for “sorry, we’ll try harder in the future”.
This ain't no place for a hero
Yes, this changes pretty much suck. Now just to wait and see if they make some changes.
If something, they really can’t make a system that gives too many things at first or they will need to tune it down eventually and they “will be taking away things" from the players and everyone will really get pissed. So, I think they are at first introducing something that they can tune up and “give us extra things” and people will be happy instead.
I hope it is something like that.
Mother of god... I am happy I am done with this game. Hearing about this new reward system and reading about people feeling scammed after pack openings (pack system is really a terrible system) makes me feel so happy about playing LoR. I put a few bucks in the game to start with to get my collection going and now I am self-sufficient and can craft the remaning cards and the upcoming the expansion if I wanted to - and keep in mind that I am not a hardcore grinder.
What a cash grab Hearthstone has become. 2x pre-orders (140 EUR) AND a battlepas (20 EUR) AND you will probably still miss 50 % of the expansion? My fucking god.
My prediction: Blizzard is testing how far they can go, that is pretty obvious. Due to the backlash they will backtrack and improve the system (not to the previous level though), then issue a statement how sorry they are and how much they listen to player feedback (bla bla bla) and that they therefore have decided to improve the system. The improvement however will not be enough to reach the previous level. And then discussions will die down until the next time.
I am pretty pissed off right now, especially as I bought the pass on launch day (believed them that everything will be fine). Not ready to quit HS yet but I have decided to go full F2P for the foreseeable future. No longer paying money for this game is the only language they understand.
P.S. Also the timing of the release and lack of information before borders on insolence. They clearly timed this to not hurt the DF pre-sales, which tells us that they were fully aware of the fact that players will be worse off. I would go so far to say that some statements they made were on the border of intentional lies.
English is not my native language, so please excuse occasional mistakes
Solem followed in Zeddy's footsteps, he posted a rant against the new system (and everything wrong with HS, basically) in his channel. I hope other major streamers follow suit, though that's unlikely.
I still enjoy this game, but I have to admit that it's not worth spending money on anymore. I've been suckered into buying the pre-order bundles every single time since Witchwood just so I could play some competitive decks, but in the back of my mind I've always known how foolish it was to spend so much on something that won't even guarantee you getting all the cards in the expansion, or at the very least the legendaries or cards you want. But I bought them anyway because the F2P way is such a grind, it was just easier to give Blizzard my hard-earned money just so I could keep enjoying this game I love.
Like the other posters in this thread, I'm going to be F2P from now on. My collection's pretty good now and I've hoarded lots of dust, so it might not be too bad. I just feel bad for all the F2P and casual players that this new system is spitting on; the XP gain is so low, it doesn't matter how much rewards they could get since they'll need to grind 12+ hours just to level up. It's insane.
Even if the devs fix this issue with the Battle Pass, there's still the issue of how expensive the game has become. That reminds me, they'll be releasing another mini-expansion so w'll be forced to pony up again. Unless this game becomes cheaper, I won't be spending money on it anymore.
Probably not. Its all speculation obviously, but one good thing from this entire bs of a system is that its easily tweaked, from simply granting more xp on games to increasing the gold gained, maybe from 100 to 150.
Given all the fire and brimstone hanging around, if they still hope to sell even a small bundle out without causing a major backlash, then a quick fix would seem the sensible solution.
They know the whales don't care. They know the content creators with large followings won't speak out about it, they know reddit will forgot about it in a week just like before, they know nothing will happen. So why should they change anything.
Content creators are coming out making fun of people for trying to get them to spread awareness for this. Even leaving in the bit where someone mentions why they won't bring up these issues because they'll lose sponsorship from blizzard.
https://twitter.com/DaneHearth/status/1328009093496365058
Living like that.
I've seen a few videos now from several HS creators and I'm inclined to agree with them.
I generally play most days, and whilst not being exclusively FTP (buying the bundle per expansion) there is a definitive difference in terms of rewards for play.
I half expect Blizzard to respond through re-instating the 10g per 3 wins, that way they keep their brand new system and satisfy the demand for change.
However, this is blizzard so you never know.
At this point I have spent too much money on these games to quit.
Now pass me another pack, and lets see what I pull.
I'm going to say something unpopular.
I don't think Hearthstone is too expensive.
Card games by nature are expensive and if anything, Blizzard has helped move it in the other direction. Prior to the Year of the Phoenix starting, we received a huge update that gave us duplicate protection for all rarities.
Now, I know this doesn't help with the legendary problem, where players want more legendary cards than they get because they are arguably the most important cards in the game, but at a baseline, Hearthstone did get cheaper to play.
But, back the battle pass. The math is definitely not working for a chunk of the players as it stands right now which has been disappointing. My biggest issue though with the whole problem is that we don't have the full picture yet. Yes, Blizzard fucked up and should have provided us with the full picture and it would have been great if they were to actually provide us with a preview of this before it went live. Of course, they did not because they can't write a blog post to save their own lives, but when they do, they do so to bump some unfortunate soul's card reveal.
Blizzard needs to announce either an immediate boost to the base level of experience or they need to tell us what we can expect from legendary quests. Are we going to have quests appear that give us 20k experience? If so, completing a handful of those is going to net you some huge swings in progression as we get deeper into the pass and it would be in line with receiving a few packs from a legendary quest.
And yeah, honestly, the premium pass should have been included in the mega bundle. In fact, a big change that I'd like to see, and I was even considering doing an article for it because I think it makes for an excellent discussion point, is I'd love to see them move the cosmetic Hero that comes with the mega bundle into the premium rewards track.
We now know that they are willing to bring expansion pre-order bonuses back to the shop and they have mentioned wanting to do this with heroes. I have my doubts that the most important item to boost pre-orders is the addition of a cosmetic hero so if they just dumped that into the pass, it provides two ways of obtaining it. The more expensive way, buying a ton of packs and getting the pass alongside it, and the cheaper way of just buying the pass.
They definitely have some work to do with their communication. It really hurts to see because I've always heard we're improving, things are going to be better, we're excited to interact more. Then it falls flat multiple times during a year. Blizzard doesn't really seem to value their community team as much anymore and instead focus their efforts on streamers. I get it, they have huge, live audiences with a measurable impact which is perfect for the execs that just love to talk those live numbers.
I'm sure many of you remember when we'd get bundles of packs to giveaway (as did other community sites) or cards to reveal and now that isn't a thing anymore for the non-streamers. It isn't that big of a deal since the traffic for a dedicated card reveal doesn't really matter much (it just ends up as an image across twitter, fb, reddit so you get no clicks) but it was one hell of a nice gesture. Sure, I loved the Scholomance Robe and Shoes that they gave me, and the stuff that came in the Warglaive box (that was super awesome), but that isn't something we get to share as a community. The card dump is wasted potential after the final stream is over - not everyone needs to get exciting cards, had them out in batches of 3 or 4 and let people create some cool content around them.
Ultimately, yes, they have a lot to work through with the new rewards track. I think it's a good start though and we're going in the right direction with it provided they open up and give us the full picture so we can continue to do the math on it.
Ramble out.
Founder, Out of Cards
Follow me on Twitch and Twitter.
If you are planning on playing WoW on US realms, consider using my recruit link =)
There's a point where it's not a coincidence anymore and we've reached that i believe. There was a reason it took them so long to show EXACTLY how much experience we would be getting and how that equates to rewards. And i don't think it's fair comparing hearthstone to other card games in model because there is no resell value. When blizzard decides the game is over it's over. You get nothing. You lose. Good day sir. And unlike "WoW expansions played as they were then" there won't be a huge community backlash that blizzard will ignore for years before suing the pants off community members that recreated their game before they bring it back, they won't bring it back at all. Even artifact had a resell system. Where you got rewards in game that lead to the ability to get in game currency to buy packs and sell cards on the steam market. Wish hearthstone you get the dust system. Unpack a legendary for a class you don't like playing or will never see play? Guess what you can dust it for 1/4th of what it was originally worth. Tough luck buddy get 3 more lorewalker chos and you'll get something good. In yugioh or MTG or even pokemon cards you can buy a pack from a store for cheap and have the chance of selling what's inside for more based on the card's competitive value(anyone who's watched any maxmoefoe video will tell you that) but in hearthstone you get nothing, it's a closed loop system. And the returns are diminishing based on how much you put into it. In hearthstone you keep cards not because you want to use them but because you hope they get nerfed so blizzard finally gives you an excuse to get a good dust conversion for them. And lately they've even been finding ways to weasel out of that.
Living like that.
My feelings are almost exactly in line with Flux's post above. Hearthstone is 'expensive' but so are card games in general. As far as digital CCGs it has set the standard. MTGA is no less expensive. Not sure about LoR but it doesn't look that different to me.
I'm also going to give blizz more than a business day to make a statement or change. It's only been a whole business day on friday and most of the complaints amassed over the weekend. If they don't say something this week then I will start to feel some type of way.
It's also pretty disappointing that they would release it like this in the first place, because this isn't a "oh the community figured out it was too low for us". They knew.
If they just adjust the late track rewards, adjust the exp rate, i'll be fine. The new system itself is cool.
The difference between the economy in MTGA/HS and LoR is massive. It's not even close. And this is coming from a former HS whale
LoR system makes the most sense you can get cards mostly from the class(region) you choose, you get cards at a much reasonable rate, you know which type of cards to expect, you get a weekly legendary of your choosing and at least enough dust to craft another by just completing quests daily.
Also the game is just better in general the only reason I was with HS is sunk cost and familiarity I guess (all my friends quit :( )
but now the decision is easier I was thinking about quitting but expected the new system to let me want to stay..
To top it off did you look at the new cards.. do they even look fun? except the 4 old gods? I am looking at them and they are either "more of the same" memes.. or one archtype I maybe want to try but it's probably bad and will cost me 10000 dust.
HS is expensive, when you buy the preorder you don't feel it as much..