I've updated Whelping Hand to be 5 mana, and I feel like this is probably the highest I can go or else it becomes too expensive to be practical since it does also warp your deckbuilding. Regarding some comments, the aspect of it being able to grab non-targeting spells is intentional and if I wanted to limit it to only targeted spells, I don't really have enough text space to do that.
And a new card, Blacktalon Boss. I had a previous Whelp synergy card earlier, but I deleted it because it was so fucking boring that I almost felt embarrassed to keep it in the post. This one is still incredibly boring, but it does still seem more exciting than that other card. I just wanted a Whelp synergy card. Whelp, here we go again.
Feedback time!
Linkblade91
I like the card effect, though I unfortunately can't really help with the wording. I must ask though, are Deathrattles intended to trigger twice with it?
Wailor
Both pretty solid cards. I like them.
AeroJulwin
I do like some Whelp synergy cards for this comp, but I feel like they should probably be Neutral since there's otherwise not enough cards for them to work. Pretty nice card though.
MrRhapsody
Lord Nefarious feels like it has too RNG-dependent for me (and incredibly strong in Druid), and Onyxia, Mother of Corruption feels like a Carnival Clown with bigger stats.
Single Broodmother is definitely my favorite of the three. I really like it.
BasilAnguis
Something about the card feels weird to me and I'm not even exactly sure what it is, but the balance seems quite fine.
Tisha Darkblight seems to be the more favored of my two cards. I have bumped it from a 3 mana 2/3 to a 4 mana 3/4.
MrRhapsody
Thermal Shocker is definitely my favorite of the two cards, although I think I agree about the condition being quite easy for a strong effect. It doesn't seem too egregiously strong compared to Lightmaw Netherdrake, but it's definitely strong.
Showmaster Thisley seems easy to abuse, especially at only 5 mana, but I do like the idea you have.
Linkblade91
3 mana 3/3 Zealous Zoologist seems pretty good to me.
Erudite of Duality is a pretty competent Common card. The Holy/Shadow flavor doesn't seem too apparent on the artwork itself, but I think the card itself works pretty well enough.
Your first version of Marine Biologist I'm going to have to rule out unfortunately. Your second and third versions however fit the prompt quite nicely and are both pretty solid cards.
Mur'gul Servants is a pretty nice flavor blend of the "watery" minion types, although Warlock doesn't have access to a lot of Nagas so it would probably be too difficult to build something really good out of it.
Linkblade91
I like it. Pretty simple and sweet. Now that same people raise that it might be too strong, I feel like it might be, but I still like the card quite a bit.
BasilAnguis
I guess The Class Trainer is okay? I'm not really too sure how to evaluate it. The classes that seem to be able to cast 3 different spell schools the easiest similarly don't get that much of a benefit from actually upgrading their Hero Power. Mage for instance can just Wildfire and cut out the middle-man entirely. I do also agree with what others have said about the name.
Class Trainer I don't really like because there's not much benefit for a second copy of a card that upgrades your Hero Power outside of refreshing it or just being more likely to draw the card.
True Collector will be disqualified, so I would avoid it. Even if it weren't though, I don't like the fact that it's a spell card that only has a conditional effect since spells aren't designed this way.
AeroJulwin
I think the effect is pretty neat, but I feel the same way that others are about the flavor.
Arkasaur
Grim Incantations is pretty sweet.
Gift of N'Zoth is a cool effect, but I'm not sure how well it really works/fits in Priest since Priest is generally one of the least tribe-centric classes in the game. I do think it's a pretty solid idea and the art is really nice. Don't worry about R's comment because that's not how it would work. An Amalgam would just count as one tribe you haven't played yet (per my comment above).
Neoguli
I assume the "switch to Nature" is also meant to switch the spells that trigger the draw to Arcane. If so, then that could probably be communicated on the card a bit better, but I think the card is solid.
BloodMefist
Fin-Friendly Bronzescale is kinda hilarious. I do like the fact that the Battlecry plays into the Deathrattle, although I do worry that trying to fuse Murloc and Dragon gameplans together tends to not really work since both tribes tend to play in opposite ways. I think the name is also a bit weird.
Darkmoon Security is totally Berth, and I don't understand why they never made him into a Legendary card. I really like the effect, although I do think it's a bit weird to have both it and Barricade in the same set.
I think one thing to keep in mind for balance reasons is not necessarily counting the amount of types of minions you've played this game; playing an amalgam on turn 3 shouldn't immediately buff all your "improved by types of minions you've played" to 10. Realistically, it should be worded "for each minion you've played of a different type this game" or "each unique minion type you've played this game"
I believe All technically counts as its own type specifically for this purpose, just that it works to satisfy any different type condition in the game. In the case of caring about minion types, minions with the All type just fill-in for any one type rather than counting as each different one all at once.
Some examples of this interaction include:
Tent Trasher won't reduce its Cost to 0, but instead just costs 1 less as normal. The Amalgam is just filling in for one minion type that isn't currently there.
N'Zoth, God of the Deep just resurrects it once and counts it as many minion type that isn't there. It doesn't count as all of them. Otherwise, all you'd just to do is just play one Amalgam and N'Zoth would resurrect it six times.
Effects like Menagerie Magician and Ringmaster's Baton will only buff a minion one time. If you have an Amalgam on board or hand as your only minion there, it won't buff it for each different minion type to buff. It just fills in for one that isn't there meaning that it would only receive one buff, and not three.
Effects like The Curator or Ringmaster Whatley won't stop drawing if it draws an Amalgam first, but instead that Amalgam just fills in for one type you haven't drawn yet regardless of what it is.
Using Amalgam of the Deep's Battlecry on another Amalgam of the Deep won't make you Discover one minion of every type, but instead it just lets you Discover one minion of any type.
So in the case of card effects like "for each minion type you've played this game", an All minion won't immediately count as every type but it just fills in for one type you don't have. We don't have any All spells in the game yet (though we probably will get one some day), but when we do, I think it's also safe to assume that it won't make Multicaster draw several cards alone, but just that your All spell will count as one type you haven't played yet.
I've opened up a feedback thread for you all to talk about how you believe the competitions can be improved. Historically, we haven't had enough time to implement changes and a large part of that is because our down-time tends to be taken up with expansion reveal seasons, so asking during the season as opposed to after it should give us a lot more time to discuss the finer details and for us to be more actively involved with you guys in how these competitions are run.
This is the place where you can leave your thoughts about how the competitions are proceeding and how you suggest things should be changed if necessary.
Historically, when we've tried to do this before, it has resulted in asking for how things can be changed which gets us some nice feedback, and then we end up not having any time to discuss implementation because the down-time is often occupied by an expansion reveal season which eats up a LOT of time and focus. It has therefore come to me that it would be better to ask how satisfied you are with the system during the season as opposed to after it.
If you have ideas, then please let us know. We'll have more time to actively be able to discuss it.
I think this should clear it up now since it reads the same way as Dragonrider Talritha. As for the Hero Power, my alternatives were either a Shadowstep or Shadowcaster effect (which might make the Rogue side of the card a bit more obvious), which both seem fairly dangerous as a Hero Power. That said, for people thinking about the balance of those two ideas, the extra effects are applied as enchantments and therefore wouldn't persist if you returned them to the hand or copied them.
Feedback
AeroJulwin
I do like the idea of the Battlecry even though I do think it's a bit on the difficult side to get it to get good value of it a lot of the time. My main point of concern is that giving your hero Attack during your opponent's turn. Not specifically from my own personal viewpoint because I think the way you've executed it here is fine, but I know that it's extremely touchy to a lot of people, and I know a lot of people have a rather volatile reaction to this type of design.
MrRhapsody
I think both of these designs are quite sound, but unfortunately your first one has a pretty major roadblock: Violet Illusionist.
Your second design is definitely safer. Some people might be irked at the fact that you're giving Mage a Lifesteal card, but this particular instance doesn't really bother me so much. Unfortunately though, there isn't really a way to Mage to use the Hero Power since they don't have the self-damage that Warlock does.
Neoguli
I do think this design is rather solid overall, though there is one admittedly quite minor thing about the card that bothers me a bit which is with the Hero Power. If you want the Hero Power to benefit from scaling its damage, then I feel like the card itself should probably have a way to do that.
Is it just me or are Wyrm monsters basically just "I want to make this dragon-like creature, but I don't want to tag it as a Dragon, so here's this new Dragon-adjacent type."
Ah, I was worried the wording might not have been clear enough. Seems like my suspicions were correct. So, what happens is that it draws a Battlecry minion and then it starts a chain of effects copied. For example.
...and this keep's going with every Battlecry minion you draw copying all the previous Battlecries of minions drawn by Sha'keth.
So, how many broken combos can you envision with this thing? hehehe
Extra feedback.
Neoguli
It does look pretty cool except for the fact that Taunt is explicitly meant to be a weakness of Mage, and I don't think dual-class cards should be allowed to cheat class weaknesses.
BasilAnguis
This is incredibly flavorful, but I don't enjoy the fact that the second token has the same art as the first, nor the fact that it's a way for Priest to equip a traditional weapon. That said, good card all around.
Anchorm4n
I do think the Battlecry is a bit too random for my tastes, and I do think Wild makes it worse. You could summon either a Witch's Apprentice, or a… Winged Guardian. That said, this type of design is just natural Hearthstone and if you want to embrace how dumb Hearthstone randomness can get, then I wouldn't fault you for it. It feels like something Team 5 would try to print.
The Hero Power seems finely balanced, although it's a bit strange seeing as how neither Warrior nor Hunter uses Freeze effects (other than Snowed In which just stands out poorly if you ask me).
Take a moment to see how many crazy things you can think of with this card. The most important thing though is, does the effect make sense?
I feel like the fact that it's a fairly small hero card, as well as not having 4 lines of text, will probably make it stand out among most entries in this comp.
Linkblade91
Felfire Ragnaros is really cool aesthetically, though I do agree that it has a LOT of face damage potential and both classes have ways of being able to utilize it effectively.
Mecha-Mannoroth is cool, although I agree with what you said before about only killing one minion with its effect throughout the whole game, and continually resurrecting it.
Wailor
So it looks like my comment about my card standing out for being small may not be true after all.
I really like this card though. It's simple, yet its effective and interesting. 5 stars from me.
No, it wasn't a joke. You realized that your attempt to be an asshole backfired horribly and now you're trying to backpedal to save face.
Well, this is a bit awkward now, isn't it?
I've updated Whelping Hand to be 5 mana, and I feel like this is probably the highest I can go or else it becomes too expensive to be practical since it does also warp your deckbuilding. Regarding some comments, the aspect of it being able to grab non-targeting spells is intentional and if I wanted to limit it to only targeted spells, I don't really have enough text space to do that.
And a new card, Blacktalon Boss. I had a previous Whelp synergy card earlier, but I deleted it because it was so fucking boring that I almost felt embarrassed to keep it in the post. This one is still incredibly boring, but it does still seem more exciting than that other card. I just wanted a Whelp synergy card. Whelp, here we go again.
Feedback time!
Lord Nefarious feels like it has too RNG-dependent for me (and incredibly strong in Druid), and Onyxia, Mother of Corruption feels like a Carnival Clown with bigger stats.
Single Broodmother is definitely my favorite of the three. I really like it.
I'd be very happy to give you guys all a Whelping Hand with your cards if you need it (hehe).
even though all he did was dig himself a really deep hole to live in.
So Y'Shaarj was taking the classic Minecraft noob strategy, hehe.
Tisha Darkblight seems to be the more favored of my two cards. I have bumped it from a 3 mana 2/3 to a 4 mana 3/4.
Thermal Shocker is definitely my favorite of the two cards, although I think I agree about the condition being quite easy for a strong effect. It doesn't seem too egregiously strong compared to Lightmaw Netherdrake, but it's definitely strong.
Showmaster Thisley seems easy to abuse, especially at only 5 mana, but I do like the idea you have.
For my first wave of feedback.
Erudite of Duality is a pretty competent Common card. The Holy/Shadow flavor doesn't seem too apparent on the artwork itself, but I think the card itself works pretty well enough.
Your first version of Marine Biologist I'm going to have to rule out unfortunately. Your second and third versions however fit the prompt quite nicely and are both pretty solid cards.
Mur'gul Servants is a pretty nice flavor blend of the "watery" minion types, although Warlock doesn't have access to a lot of Nagas so it would probably be too difficult to build something really good out of it.
I guess The Class Trainer is okay? I'm not really too sure how to evaluate it. The classes that seem to be able to cast 3 different spell schools the easiest similarly don't get that much of a benefit from actually upgrading their Hero Power. Mage for instance can just Wildfire and cut out the middle-man entirely. I do also agree with what others have said about the name.
Class Trainer I don't really like because there's not much benefit for a second copy of a card that upgrades your Hero Power outside of refreshing it or just being more likely to draw the card.
True Collector will be disqualified, so I would avoid it. Even if it weren't though, I don't like the fact that it's a spell card that only has a conditional effect since spells aren't designed this way.
Grim Incantations is pretty sweet.
Gift of N'Zoth is a cool effect, but I'm not sure how well it really works/fits in Priest since Priest is generally one of the least tribe-centric classes in the game. I do think it's a pretty solid idea and the art is really nice. Don't worry about R's comment because that's not how it would work. An Amalgam would just count as one tribe you haven't played yet (per my comment above).
Fin-Friendly Bronzescale is kinda hilarious. I do like the fact that the Battlecry plays into the Deathrattle, although I do worry that trying to fuse Murloc and Dragon gameplans together tends to not really work since both tribes tend to play in opposite ways. I think the name is also a bit weird.
Darkmoon Security is totally Berth, and I don't understand why they never made him into a Legendary card. I really like the effect, although I do think it's a bit weird to have both it and Barricade in the same set.
I don't think anybody could've expected Yata-Garasu to be unbanned. This is the end of an era.
I believe All technically counts as its own type specifically for this purpose, just that it works to satisfy any different type condition in the game. In the case of caring about minion types, minions with the All type just fill-in for any one type rather than counting as each different one all at once.
Some examples of this interaction include:
So in the case of card effects like "for each minion type you've played this game", an All minion won't immediately count as every type but it just fills in for one type you don't have. We don't have any All spells in the game yet (though we probably will get one some day), but when we do, I think it's also safe to assume that it won't make Multicaster draw several cards alone, but just that your All spell will count as one type you haven't played yet.
Hey, a brand new face joins our list of winners!
I've opened up a feedback thread for you all to talk about how you believe the competitions can be improved. Historically, we haven't had enough time to implement changes and a large part of that is because our down-time tends to be taken up with expansion reveal seasons, so asking during the season as opposed to after it should give us a lot more time to discuss the finer details and for us to be more actively involved with you guys in how these competitions are run.
https://outof.cards/forums/fan-creations/custom-hearthstone/20921-wcdc-season-5-feedback-thread
This is the place where you can leave your thoughts about how the competitions are proceeding and how you suggest things should be changed if necessary.
Historically, when we've tried to do this before, it has resulted in asking for how things can be changed which gets us some nice feedback, and then we end up not having any time to discuss implementation because the down-time is often occupied by an expansion reveal season which eats up a LOT of time and focus. It has therefore come to me that it would be better to ask how satisfied you are with the system during the season as opposed to after it.
If you have ideas, then please let us know. We'll have more time to actively be able to discuss it.
Multiple type synergies, here we go!
I do realize Animal Caretaker doesn't have the perfect "3" theming with the +2/+2 bonus instead of a +3/+3 one, but balance comes first I say.
If you've got more projects, then there's absolutely no doubt that you'll be featured more on this series. ;)
I think this should clear it up now since it reads the same way as Dragonrider Talritha. As for the Hero Power, my alternatives were either a Shadowstep or Shadowcaster effect (which might make the Rogue side of the card a bit more obvious), which both seem fairly dangerous as a Hero Power. That said, for people thinking about the balance of those two ideas, the extra effects are applied as enchantments and therefore wouldn't persist if you returned them to the hand or copied them.
Feedback
I think both of these designs are quite sound, but unfortunately your first one has a pretty major roadblock: Violet Illusionist.
Your second design is definitely safer. Some people might be irked at the fact that you're giving Mage a Lifesteal card, but this particular instance doesn't really bother me so much. Unfortunately though, there isn't really a way to Mage to use the Hero Power since they don't have the self-damage that Warlock does.
Is it just me or are Wyrm monsters basically just "I want to make this dragon-like creature, but I don't want to tag it as a Dragon, so here's this new Dragon-adjacent type."
Ah, I was worried the wording might not have been clear enough. Seems like my suspicions were correct. So, what happens is that it draws a Battlecry minion and then it starts a chain of effects copied. For example.
So, how many broken combos can you envision with this thing? hehehe
Extra feedback.
I do think the Battlecry is a bit too random for my tastes, and I do think Wild makes it worse. You could summon either a Witch's Apprentice, or a… Winged Guardian. That said, this type of design is just natural Hearthstone and if you want to embrace how dumb Hearthstone randomness can get, then I wouldn't fault you for it. It feels like something Team 5 would try to print.
The Hero Power seems finely balanced, although it's a bit strange seeing as how neither Warrior nor Hunter uses Freeze effects (other than Snowed In which just stands out poorly if you ask me).
Ah, I was outside when it happened, but this is pretty sick! Thank you all.
Take a moment to see how many crazy things you can think of with this card. The most important thing though is, does the effect make sense?
I feel like the fact that it's a fairly small hero card, as well as not having 4 lines of text, will probably make it stand out among most entries in this comp.
Felfire Ragnaros is really cool aesthetically, though I do agree that it has a LOT of face damage potential and both classes have ways of being able to utilize it effectively.
Mecha-Mannoroth is cool, although I agree with what you said before about only killing one minion with its effect throughout the whole game, and continually resurrecting it.
So it looks like my comment about my card standing out for being small may not be true after all.
I really like this card though. It's simple, yet its effective and interesting. 5 stars from me.
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If Clutch of the Deep were a real card, its flavor text would definitely be some type of car joke.