Can't say I'm a big fan of these "break the rules" cards though. The biggest offenders for me have been taking mechanics that ordinarily punish you or have a certain expectation of just how much they can do, and instead, rewarding you/doing the opposite/going far beyond what is reasonable. Ex:
Divine Favor - ordinarily you are punished for dumping your hand (card adv vs board adv) and your opponent rewarded for using resources efficiently. This card does the opposite, and punished your opponent for playing efficiently, while simultaneously rewarding you for sacrificing card adv.
Demon Seed - there exists fatigue in HS for a reason. With this card, that reason is no longer something you need to worry about, and your opponent can only 'play around it' by killing you faster, which may not be a game plan their deck even has access to.
Jade Idol/Ignite - You're limited to a certain deck size so games aren't able to go on forever and there is a definite and predictable ending point. Fatigue factors in to this as well, but y'know what, who cares about that when you have infinite cards in your deck that deal an infinitely scaling amount of damage?
Mana cheat (NOT ramp, but mana discounting) - I think playing a certain amount of value for each mana point is a reasonable expectation. Even pushing that boundary is okay, because some cards need to be stronger. You got a 4/5 for 2 mana? Okay fine. You cast 25 mana worth of spells for 0 mana? Not fine.
edit to add
Battlecry: <this effect is permanent>. - need I explain?
This thread was about the meta. I posted my experience of the meta, which was not inflated or exaggerated or "whiny, pretentious, nihilistic,' but actual fact of what I was facing.
If that's not allowed here, please let me know what rule I'm breaking.
Current meta, AS I AM EXPERIENCING IT, is all old aggro/combo decks, and "I drew Kazakusan first, I win" Druids. Not really facing much else. Kazkausan seems to be the only card from the mini set that mattered.
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Libram Paladin is tempo. Quest Shaman is aggro/burn. idk what to tell you. Neither is a control deck.
switch to control to counter aggo -> only face better control/greedy AF value
okay hearthstone. i guess i suck it up, play aggro face decks, and walk into traffic.
edit: faced ~ 10 greedy control decks in a row. okay. switch to kazakstan druid, immediately face OTK mage. makes sense.
next game with kaza druid, face libram paladin, a deck i'd not faced in the previous 10 games.
okay switch back to control warrior. face kaza druid. what is going on.
i wish i was exaggerating. i am ONLY queuing into decks that hard counter me. lost to kaza druid as warrior then immediately faced OTK mage again. switch to kaza druid, face demon seed, twice.
downvoted for posting appropriate content in the correct place. "message boards for everyone else, but fuck this guy in particular" right?
non stop eh? I haven't posted here in months. i was not exaggerating anything here, I was facing mostly old decks with no new cards for two days straight. and no, current control decks do not counter aggro.
Non stop in the fact that every time you do post, they're all similar to this.
Non stop in the sense that I have not seen you post anything positive once.
Current control decks absolutely do counter aggro, what? Libram paladin, quest shaman, fel demon hunter. All of them have an extremely easy time against priests, hunters and warriors that you've been whining about.
most of what i"ve posted here has been in the salt thread. what of it?
idk about fel demon hunter but libram pally and quest shaman are NOT control decks. quest shaman is a tempo deck (arguably aggro, just not hyper aggro kill you on 5), and libram paladin is also a tempo deck.
I asked a couple people after the match and was hearing a lot of similar comments, mainly that VS hadn't released a new meta snapshot tierlist yet. Seems folks would rather autopilot than be creative.
non stop eh? I haven't posted here in months. i was not exaggerating anything here, I was facing mostly old decks with no new cards for two days straight. and no, current control decks do not counter aggro.
Plat 5 is unclimbable without aggro face decks, and I guess since I refuse to stoop to that level of mindlessness, here I will be stuck until rotation.
just gonna concede before the matches start i suppose. raza anduin on curve, otk demon hunter, whats the point of playing ladder right now? i wish i was exaggerating, just look at the VS rankings, literally every deck at t1 and t2 for my spot on ladder is aggro. no thanks.
Guys please don't downvote me. I am asking legitimate questions here. I am frustrated that I'm not experiencing the same meta that everyone else is and I'm asking legitimate questions. If I'm breaking forum rules somehow, please let me know instead of downvoting. If you have beef with me for some reason and that's why you're downvoting, message me.
I'm not seeing anything but old decks, I don't know what to tell you.
At least some of the time. I don't expect there to be an entirely new meta, just one that isn't 100% the old meta. Based on responses I'm getting here and elsewhere where I've tried to bring this up, it seems a lot of people are queuing into new cards and living in some wonderful world where control is somewhat viable, and I'm just wondering how high up the ranks I need to climb in order to get there.
Hi, what rank is the minimum required in order to start facing new cards? Do I need to pilot an old aggro face deck to legend in order to start seeing a different meta?
no joke, no exaggeration, somewhere between 80 and 100% of what I'm facing is old decks with no new cards.
this is a legitimate question, please don't downvote me.
Have played 20 games thus far and faced maybe 2 decks with new cards. The rest is the same old toxic crap - Face Hunter, Hero Power Mage, Pirate Warrior, Freeze Shaman, Libram Paladin, and Ramp Druid with zero new cards.
"i break the fundamental mechanics of hearthstone" quest warlock
garrote rogue
quest pirate warrior
raza anduin hunter
Are minion based decks dead these days or what? Is my choice to play unranked or play libram paladin? I've been trying to enjoy thief rogue but I'm winning approximately 10% of my games because its nothing but combo and aggro.
edit: crap i forgot that standard casual doesn't exist anymore.
edit: if this is not the right forum, can you please let me know where I should post requests for decks?
been a few years since I got a double legendary pack
0-mana: win the game seems likely.
Can't say I'm a big fan of these "break the rules" cards though. The biggest offenders for me have been taking mechanics that ordinarily punish you or have a certain expectation of just how much they can do, and instead, rewarding you/doing the opposite/going far beyond what is reasonable. Ex:
edit to add
This thread was about the meta. I posted my experience of the meta, which was not inflated or exaggerated or "whiny, pretentious, nihilistic,' but actual fact of what I was facing.
If that's not allowed here, please let me know what rule I'm breaking.
Current meta, AS I AM EXPERIENCING IT, is all old aggro/combo decks, and "I drew Kazakusan first, I win" Druids. Not really facing much else. Kazkausan seems to be the only card from the mini set that mattered.
Stay classy guys.
reasons i lost the game: i am shit, not worthy of posting here, need to 'git gud' and stop whining about bullshit
my opponent luckboxed into something i can''t kill, then got the best possible treasure to put me 12 health lower than i should have been at.
whats the best control deck right now and why is it hyper aggro face hunter?
If you feel like I've done something to violate the rules of this forum, then please report it. If you think I should be banned for some reason, don't make salty whiny posts here, report it.
Libram Paladin is tempo. Quest Shaman is aggro/burn. idk what to tell you. Neither is a control deck.
switch to control to counter aggo -> only face better control/greedy AF value
okay hearthstone. i guess i suck it up, play aggro face decks, and walk into traffic.
edit: faced ~ 10 greedy control decks in a row. okay. switch to kazakstan druid, immediately face OTK mage. makes sense.
next game with kaza druid, face libram paladin, a deck i'd not faced in the previous 10 games.
okay switch back to control warrior. face kaza druid. what is going on.
i wish i was exaggerating. i am ONLY queuing into decks that hard counter me. lost to kaza druid as warrior then immediately faced OTK mage again. switch to kaza druid, face demon seed, twice.
downvoted for posting appropriate content in the correct place. "message boards for everyone else, but fuck this guy in particular" right?
most of what i"ve posted here has been in the salt thread. what of it?
idk about fel demon hunter but libram pally and quest shaman are NOT control decks. quest shaman is a tempo deck (arguably aggro, just not hyper aggro kill you on 5), and libram paladin is also a tempo deck.
I asked a couple people after the match and was hearing a lot of similar comments, mainly that VS hadn't released a new meta snapshot tierlist yet. Seems folks would rather autopilot than be creative.
non stop eh? I haven't posted here in months. i was not exaggerating anything here, I was facing mostly old decks with no new cards for two days straight. and no, current control decks do not counter aggro.
because I don't like playing aggro?
Plat 5 is unclimbable without aggro face decks, and I guess since I refuse to stoop to that level of mindlessness, here I will be stuck until rotation.
just gonna concede before the matches start i suppose. raza anduin on curve, otk demon hunter, whats the point of playing ladder right now? i wish i was exaggerating, just look at the VS rankings, literally every deck at t1 and t2 for my spot on ladder is aggro. no thanks.
current - gold 5 platinum 5
highest - legend
i play for fun mostly. the times i hit legend wasn't an accident, but was because i actually tried to climb.
edit: this is a response to the above question, please don't downvote it for no reason.
Today I have face a pretty wide variety of:
* Questline Raza/Anduin Hunter
* Questline Raza/Anduin Hunter
* Questline Raza/Anduin Hunter
* Questline Infinite Value For Free Pirate Warrior
* Thief Rogue
* Questline Rogue
* Hero Power Mage
* Freeze Shaman
ft. "Zero New Cards". I would shell out real world money to queue into nothing but Kazakstan Druids all day.
I would honestly rather play against endless Kazakusan Druids than Pirate Warrior, Face Hunter, Libram Paladin, HP Mage, and Freeze Shaman.
Guys please don't downvote me. I am asking legitimate questions here. I am frustrated that I'm not experiencing the same meta that everyone else is and I'm asking legitimate questions. If I'm breaking forum rules somehow, please let me know instead of downvoting. If you have beef with me for some reason and that's why you're downvoting, message me.
I'm not seeing anything but old decks, I don't know what to tell you.
At least some of the time. I don't expect there to be an entirely new meta, just one that isn't 100% the old meta. Based on responses I'm getting here and elsewhere where I've tried to bring this up, it seems a lot of people are queuing into new cards and living in some wonderful world where control is somewhat viable, and I'm just wondering how high up the ranks I need to climb in order to get there.
Hi, what rank is the minimum required in order to start facing new cards? Do I need to pilot an old aggro face deck to legend in order to start seeing a different meta?
no joke, no exaggeration, somewhere between 80 and 100% of what I'm facing is old decks with no new cards.
this is a legitimate question, please don't downvote me.
Have played 20 games thus far and faced maybe 2 decks with new cards. The rest is the same old toxic crap - Face Hunter, Hero Power Mage, Pirate Warrior, Freeze Shaman, Libram Paladin, and Ramp Druid with zero new cards.
Not:
Are minion based decks dead these days or what? Is my choice to play unranked or play libram paladin? I've been trying to enjoy thief rogue but I'm winning approximately 10% of my games because its nothing but combo and aggro.
edit: crap i forgot that standard casual doesn't exist anymore.
edit: if this is not the right forum, can you please let me know where I should post requests for decks?
bye guys, this site is trash. mods dont remove harassment posts, and im accused of being a salt train.