I played the reno version in the mmr of high platinum and low diamond for 40 games, and went 32-8 and even won against tons of tier 1 decks so I think the reno version is actually pretty good. I am curious about libram pure prelate paladin, it definitely seems fun to play but I am interested in how it does competitively for you.
I did try your deathrattle hunter deck earlier, and it felt a lot more competitive for ladder! I use handbuff beast hunter as a competitive hunter deck and hakkar is mostly for the fun potential. That’s a good idea, since you already have play dead and maybe you can use blastenheimer and boomzooka to get hakkar out earlier? Wyrmest purifier would conflict with that so you might have to rely on sphere. Definitely a lot of interesting hakkar potential in that direction too! I’m looking forward to see what myou come up with.
Yeah in my experience it does do pretty abysmally against those first decks as I mentioned before. Those 3 are all tier 1 decks and this deck feels like tier 4, I started out with a non highlander version but switched to this version later because of how you can discover Zephrys and Reno consistently due to the limited minion pool. Maybe there is a way to build it non highlander that is better.
Another idea I am considering that might be more competitive for a nonhighlander version is going for a heavier boardbased secrets and minions package instead of the control spells which seem kind of weak without Professor Slate so that you can have board tempo more easily, and then still having discover cards for the Hakkar combo. I might try to test this idea today and see if the board based cards can help you survive longer. It can also have 2 coldlight oracles to draw through their deck faster
Are you playing in diamond mmr level? What decks did you play against? It's not going to do well there because of all the fast decks or decks that have extreme aggression like secret mage or kingsbane rogue or have insane boards in the midgame like big priest. Hakkar, the Soulflayer is a slow win condition so it's more for fun; however in lower mmr (gold or silver especially, but even some in platinum) levels there are a lot of slow value decks that this deck does really well against. It also does better against combo decks that draw through their deck. I do wish hunter can get more control tools to make this deck more viable. Professor Slate is great but there are very few options for hunter to control boards and get to the late game so this deck sort of relies on Zephrys and Zombeasts to deal with subsequent large boards.
Let me know how it goes if you try it, I’m really curious. It’s pretty memeish but when it works it’s really fun to see it go off and against slow control decks like odd warrior you basically autowin, and if you shut down highlander effects you have a chance against reno decks too.
Yeah you’re right the initial response was very negative especially as compared to the response the person on wild reddit got to posting the same observation so that was a bit shocking, but over time it turned out there were more positive people in the community.
It became positive recently. It was at a high negative for quite a while. I am not offended but I expected better from out of cards ppl than this after seeing tons of sarcasm and snark on hearthpwn, I started off with a neutral comment, they responded with snark and sarcasm, and then yes I became aggressively, not passively disappointed in the community and of course the community doesn’t like me saying that so they downvote all posts referring to that. I don’t want them to take it seriously or not, I just want them to ignore it if they don’t care about it instead of doing those types of comments. Not all online forums have this kind of thing, maybe you think it’s normal but I don’t want to be part of that sort of community and I know of at least 4 other forums for completely different games with high traffic and amount of posts and comments each day that almost always only have constructive comments with ppl trying to help each other. It’s a cliche but if you don’t have a nice thing to say don’t say it.
Again, I agree that it is good for the game overall but the snarky and sarcastic comments are not constructive, I was trying to point out an impact that the update has on a deck that many people in wild enjoy, I did not say that was a negative change to the game overall. It seems you are employing a straw man argument by implying that I was complaining about the change or saying it was a negative change when I did not do that, I merely stated an observation that might matter to certain players. If someone does like odd shaman, then they might not realize this change affects their deck so I was trying to be nice and point it out so that maybe they can get in a few more games with the deck before it is nerfed. I don’t think all these standard players’ snark and sarcasm is useful, if you are the majority of players that don’t play wild or odd shaman just ignore my observation instead of having to put in your snarky and sarcastic comments. The comment with the observation on odd shaman was not directed at those players and them responding with sarcasm and snark basically ruined my image of the out of cards standard community.
I was a member of hearthpwn for years but never commented there because I saw so many snarky and sarcastic comments like this there. I thought out of cards did not have this but I guess I was wrong. I do have to say I highly apprecitate the wild community specifically here, I am on out of cards for about a year and I never saw a single comment like that on a wild thread. It’s not that bad in the grand scheme of things, but I don’t want to post neutral observations like “odd shaman is worse without air totem” and then have multiple snarky and sarcastic responses from people who don’t even play that deck.
I’m looking for constructive discussions, for example if someone disagreed and made a logical argument for how odd shaman could remain competitive without the spell damage totem I would be open minded and read it with joy. But the 2 comments I got with the snark and sarcasm are not constructive at all.
It is a fun deck, I’m just looking at the wildside wild meta snapshot and even reno hunter is in tier 3 while reno hunter with the double brann combo for 2 King Krushes on turn 10 was tier 2. I guess I was happy to have reno hunter in tier 2 which is decent and the new version though fun seems to be less competitive.
It was not a meme, it was the strongest shaman deck in wild, and plenty of people reached legend with it. This is what I don’t like, if you don’t know about wild just ignore posts about it, what is the point of the post sarcastically saying oh no not odd shaman other than just to make wild players feel bad? It doesn’t seem like a nice thing to do. I wasn’t claiming in the original post that blizzard shouldn’t remove the air totem, I was just saying an observation about a wild deck. It’s not even my personal favorite deck but I think it’s an interesting fact and the audience for that comment was supposed to be wild players. Standard players should ignore posts about wild that clearly do not say anything about standard, there is nothing constructive about sarcastically rubbing it in to wild players that a wild deck is getting nerfed due to standard considerations. It’s true that blizzard should focus on standard with balancing for standard but the replies I got from standard players are not constructive.
The fact that standard players are downvoting my posts about a wild archetype being nerfed and upvoting this sarcastic guy who implies that ppl don’t care about odd shaman implies that he is right, most ppl don’t care about it. But why downvote and respond with sarcasm and snark about a deck in a mode they don’t even play? It makes me think a lot of standard players at least on out of cards are selfish and have no empathy, of course they are going to downvote this too because there are more standard than wild players, but wow. What an eye opener for me. I used to only comment in threads that only wild people read and never had any toxic or selfish responses like this, now when I try commenting about a wild deck in a general forum I get 2 responses with the mkkay and the sarcasm. Better stick to only wild threads after this level of toxicity.
Did you ever play odd shaman in wild? Please be honest. The whole archetype is based on stacking spell damage totems and high burst from spells using all the spell damage you stacked. A main card you mulligan for that gives the archetype power is Arcane Watcher, and without the spell damage totem you cannot activate it consistently anymore. When you play odd shaman to choose a totem to summon, most of the time you are choosing the spell damage totem. So if you actually played odd shaman you would realize how big of a nerf this is to the archetype. By the way saying mmkay sounds snarky and not nice, I try to be nice on this forum even if I disagree with someone and I don’t think that language is helpful.
I played the reno version in the mmr of high platinum and low diamond for 40 games, and went 32-8 and even won against tons of tier 1 decks so I think the reno version is actually pretty good. I am curious about libram pure prelate paladin, it definitely seems fun to play but I am interested in how it does competitively for you.
Thanks, I’m glad you like the write ups! It took a while to write even though there’s some repetition.
Excited to play worgen otk warrior again.
That’s true, and it’s good with Stampeding Roar too. I put it in instead of Mark of Ysharrj since that was feeling too slow a lot of the time.
I did try your deathrattle hunter deck earlier, and it felt a lot more competitive for ladder! I use handbuff beast hunter as a competitive hunter deck and hakkar is mostly for the fun potential. That’s a good idea, since you already have play dead and maybe you can use blastenheimer and boomzooka to get hakkar out earlier? Wyrmest purifier would conflict with that so you might have to rely on sphere. Definitely a lot of interesting hakkar potential in that direction too! I’m looking forward to see what myou come up with.
Here is an initial idea for the secret based version https://outof.cards/hearthstone/decks/23088-secret-hakkar-hunter-test
Yeah in my experience it does do pretty abysmally against those first decks as I mentioned before. Those 3 are all tier 1 decks and this deck feels like tier 4, I started out with a non highlander version but switched to this version later because of how you can discover Zephrys and Reno consistently due to the limited minion pool. Maybe there is a way to build it non highlander that is better.
Another idea I am considering that might be more competitive for a nonhighlander version is going for a heavier boardbased secrets and minions package instead of the control spells which seem kind of weak without Professor Slate so that you can have board tempo more easily, and then still having discover cards for the Hakkar combo. I might try to test this idea today and see if the board based cards can help you survive longer. It can also have 2 coldlight oracles to draw through their deck faster
Are you playing in diamond mmr level? What decks did you play against? It's not going to do well there because of all the fast decks or decks that have extreme aggression like secret mage or kingsbane rogue or have insane boards in the midgame like big priest. Hakkar, the Soulflayer is a slow win condition so it's more for fun; however in lower mmr (gold or silver especially, but even some in platinum) levels there are a lot of slow value decks that this deck does really well against. It also does better against combo decks that draw through their deck. I do wish hunter can get more control tools to make this deck more viable. Professor Slate is great but there are very few options for hunter to control boards and get to the late game so this deck sort of relies on Zephrys and Zombeasts to deal with subsequent large boards.
Let me know how it goes if you try it, I’m really curious. It’s pretty memeish but when it works it’s really fun to see it go off and against slow control decks like odd warrior you basically autowin, and if you shut down highlander effects you have a chance against reno decks too.
Yeah you’re right the initial response was very negative especially as compared to the response the person on wild reddit got to posting the same observation so that was a bit shocking, but over time it turned out there were more positive people in the community.
It’s interesting that on wild reddit someone who made the exact same point as I did got hundreds of upvotes and almost a hundred constructive comments about it https://www.reddit.com/r/wildhearthstone/comments/lnteuu/spell_damage_totem_is_gone_from_the_shaman_hero/
It became positive recently. It was at a high negative for quite a while. I am not offended but I expected better from out of cards ppl than this after seeing tons of sarcasm and snark on hearthpwn, I started off with a neutral comment, they responded with snark and sarcasm, and then yes I became aggressively, not passively disappointed in the community and of course the community doesn’t like me saying that so they downvote all posts referring to that. I don’t want them to take it seriously or not, I just want them to ignore it if they don’t care about it instead of doing those types of comments. Not all online forums have this kind of thing, maybe you think it’s normal but I don’t want to be part of that sort of community and I know of at least 4 other forums for completely different games with high traffic and amount of posts and comments each day that almost always only have constructive comments with ppl trying to help each other. It’s a cliche but if you don’t have a nice thing to say don’t say it.
Again, I agree that it is good for the game overall but the snarky and sarcastic comments are not constructive, I was trying to point out an impact that the update has on a deck that many people in wild enjoy, I did not say that was a negative change to the game overall. It seems you are employing a straw man argument by implying that I was complaining about the change or saying it was a negative change when I did not do that, I merely stated an observation that might matter to certain players. If someone does like odd shaman, then they might not realize this change affects their deck so I was trying to be nice and point it out so that maybe they can get in a few more games with the deck before it is nerfed. I don’t think all these standard players’ snark and sarcasm is useful, if you are the majority of players that don’t play wild or odd shaman just ignore my observation instead of having to put in your snarky and sarcastic comments. The comment with the observation on odd shaman was not directed at those players and them responding with sarcasm and snark basically ruined my image of the out of cards standard community.
I was a member of hearthpwn for years but never commented there because I saw so many snarky and sarcastic comments like this there. I thought out of cards did not have this but I guess I was wrong. I do have to say I highly apprecitate the wild community specifically here, I am on out of cards for about a year and I never saw a single comment like that on a wild thread. It’s not that bad in the grand scheme of things, but I don’t want to post neutral observations like “odd shaman is worse without air totem” and then have multiple snarky and sarcastic responses from people who don’t even play that deck.
I’m looking for constructive discussions, for example if someone disagreed and made a logical argument for how odd shaman could remain competitive without the spell damage totem I would be open minded and read it with joy. But the 2 comments I got with the snark and sarcasm are not constructive at all.
It is a fun deck, I’m just looking at the wildside wild meta snapshot and even reno hunter is in tier 3 while reno hunter with the double brann combo for 2 King Krushes on turn 10 was tier 2. I guess I was happy to have reno hunter in tier 2 which is decent and the new version though fun seems to be less competitive.
It was not a meme, it was the strongest shaman deck in wild, and plenty of people reached legend with it. This is what I don’t like, if you don’t know about wild just ignore posts about it, what is the point of the post sarcastically saying oh no not odd shaman other than just to make wild players feel bad? It doesn’t seem like a nice thing to do. I wasn’t claiming in the original post that blizzard shouldn’t remove the air totem, I was just saying an observation about a wild deck. It’s not even my personal favorite deck but I think it’s an interesting fact and the audience for that comment was supposed to be wild players. Standard players should ignore posts about wild that clearly do not say anything about standard, there is nothing constructive about sarcastically rubbing it in to wild players that a wild deck is getting nerfed due to standard considerations. It’s true that blizzard should focus on standard with balancing for standard but the replies I got from standard players are not constructive.
The fact that standard players are downvoting my posts about a wild archetype being nerfed and upvoting this sarcastic guy who implies that ppl don’t care about odd shaman implies that he is right, most ppl don’t care about it. But why downvote and respond with sarcasm and snark about a deck in a mode they don’t even play? It makes me think a lot of standard players at least on out of cards are selfish and have no empathy, of course they are going to downvote this too because there are more standard than wild players, but wow. What an eye opener for me. I used to only comment in threads that only wild people read and never had any toxic or selfish responses like this, now when I try commenting about a wild deck in a general forum I get 2 responses with the mkkay and the sarcasm. Better stick to only wild threads after this level of toxicity.
You’re right, it’s not a nerf. I changed it to say change. From the perspective of odd shaman specifically it is a nerf though.
Did you ever play odd shaman in wild? Please be honest. The whole archetype is based on stacking spell damage totems and high burst from spells using all the spell damage you stacked. A main card you mulligan for that gives the archetype power is Arcane Watcher, and without the spell damage totem you cannot activate it consistently anymore. When you play odd shaman to choose a totem to summon, most of the time you are choosing the spell damage totem. So if you actually played odd shaman you would realize how big of a nerf this is to the archetype. By the way saying mmkay sounds snarky and not nice, I try to be nice on this forum even if I disagree with someone and I don’t think that language is helpful.
They destroyed the competitive viability of the archetype of odd shaman in wild with the Air Totem change.
Does anyone know if old spells will be updated to include tribe?