So I hear a general consensus that if the crazy stuff is not too crazy. This means either that it happens at a turn that something can be done against it, or that crazy does not immediately ends the game in one turn. And you should design your deck so it can handle crazy. That's also called teching in cards to handle certain popular craziness. For instance, when rogues where killing you with their weapons, you tech in a weapon removal since otherwise you can't cope with the crazy rogue weaponry at turn 4-5-6. Now with all the magnetic craziness people tech for silence so your magnetized minion gets a little less crazy.
And basically, when stuff is so crazy nothing can stop it reasonably we then call it OP and in need of a nerf. So in fact its an important issue for HS, since we somehow want a "fair fight" and a "balanced meta" where more than two decks can live.
And this is all about standard. In wild crazy is the norm so to speak, that's why its called wild. But even here too crazy is not funny anymore witness the big priest problem.
Maybe also related to OTK decks: if your OTK deck would be a guaranteed certified win at turn 5, this would be a problem. A certified win at turn 13, not so much.
I would add replies to posts directly under the post replied to with some indentation etc. (like in email clients). This breaks chronological order though, but you can then have "threads in threads". I think it's a trade-off. Maybe add a toggle so users can switch from "thread mode" to "chronological mode" ?
This is a reply on Elsabidon's post to illustrate the Reply functionality. It is just listed below all other posts and there is no indication to which post it is replying too (at least not in my interface).
To be fair, although this site is older than expected, I can assume Flux (and you guys) only started working on it full time recently, maybe using it more as a testing ground for implementing stuff on Hpwn itself. In fact, one of the things that I'm still not used to there is the fact that, when I want to quote someone on my post, I click quote and don't actually see the quote on my post. If I just want to answer one line in a 50 page post, I have to first answer with everything and only then edit out the fluff I don't need. I suppose that also happens here right now though, but there is still a lot of room for change while in beta.
Mmm. If I click quote on your post I get your post in a quote. What I find confusing is the Reply button, since that looks to be a normal post at the bottom of the list instead of inserted directly below the post replied to
Being a rather beta person I lack some precision in the post. When defining strengths and weaknesses about classes, I want to see actual numbers which we can check and verify being true or false. For instance. Mage strength is bord clear. Paladin's weakness is direct damage spells and destroying big minions. Seems paladin has a hard time doing a bord clear while for mages it should be super easy. Paladin's OTK deck has 4 guaranteed board clears ready using Equality and Shrink Ray. Mages have blizzard, flamestrike, blast wave and some more aoe spells, but no guaranteed board clear at all. If a paladin needs to destroy a big minion he can choose from two class spells? How is this supposed to be a weakness then? Is it a weakness when a class has less than 4 cards in his deck dealing with it? Come on. Complete nonsense.
That moment when a espionage rogue comes with 1 mana Antonidas/fire ball/ galaxy spell/ sorcerer apprentice/ and just kills you in 2 turns, while you are desparately tring to find your own galaxy spell and draw...
I think the meta is very good atm. Even for a mostly single class player like me, I have enough interesting stuff to try as mage. I fool around with jepetto, galaxy spell, cyclones, tempo variants, mechs, otk's its all viable. For instance, lately I just wanted to try a cyclone/mech/giant fusion deck so I put in the giants, conjures calling, a lot of cheap mechs, some card draw, some silence, some aoe and some antonidas and tried it out on level 10. Won first 3 games with it. Had a lot of fun too. Then realized the cyclones were not doing much in the deck so I replaced them by more mechs. Even more fun! Feels good to out-mech a mech hunter lol.
This is a known bug and there have been several threads about it so far. No idea what causes it as I have seen it on android, ios, and os x. No idea if it will be fixed haven't seen it acknowledged by Blizzard yet.
I feel uncontrollable rage when opponent top-decks some lucky escape card. Or gets the one needed taunt from Astromancer that will keep him alive for the next turn, then he top-decks blizzard to remove my lethal board. At that point I am feeling some negative emotions :)
Tony you have reached an elevated state of Hearthstonery. I only like taking damage when I have the lethal in hand for next turn, or when they hit face while they should have eliminated this minion. I find it impossible to not feel anything when losing. Some losses are worse than others of course. On the other hand, when I win too easily with a deck (I recently won a couple of games very smoothly with some tempo/aggro mage variant) I get bored :)
The pogo's start slow and need time to grow, so opponent has time to create own board and threats. And the big pogo's can be silenced/frozen or ignored when your lethal comes first.
Its very frustrating when you finally out played the death rattle huntard and have been able to do away with all his minions bombs and stuff have finally setup your wide board to go for the lethal damage that they can clear with this poisonous combo that clears and leaves them a big minion on board. Even more when they top-deck it. And then dare to utter "Well Played". I need a drink.
Was playing a deathrattle mech huntard on standard ladder he had me down to 1 HP and already said "Thank you". But I had Alexstraza in hand...and a huge card advantage so 2 turns later it was my turn to say thank you when dishing out the lethal in his face :).
The best advice i've ever gotten/can give about hearthstone is to not be results oriented, be performance oriented. Being good at hearthstone is skill dependent, but not always skill rewarding. Sometimes you can make the best plays available and you still just have pretty much no chance. It's a one on one game, so you are going to lose a lot, because only one of you can win. If you focus on playing well, winning or losing is inconsequential.
But also, you should play your games out. Sometimes you draw the nuts and still lose. I can't tell you how many games I seriously considered conceding just to save time, but played the game out and won. Always play to your outs. If there is a way to win, even if it's low percentage, go for it.
Mmm. I find it difficult to play games out which started bad, I rather start a new one soon :). But I will take your advice and try to win anyway. Its amazing how boards can turn around sometimes
So I hear a general consensus that if the crazy stuff is not too crazy. This means either that it happens at a turn that something can be done against it, or that crazy does not immediately ends the game in one turn. And you should design your deck so it can handle crazy. That's also called teching in cards to handle certain popular craziness. For instance, when rogues where killing you with their weapons, you tech in a weapon removal since otherwise you can't cope with the crazy rogue weaponry at turn 4-5-6. Now with all the magnetic craziness people tech for silence so your magnetized minion gets a little less crazy.
And basically, when stuff is so crazy nothing can stop it reasonably we then call it OP and in need of a nerf. So in fact its an important issue for HS, since we somehow want a "fair fight" and a "balanced meta" where more than two decks can live.
And this is all about standard. In wild crazy is the norm so to speak, that's why its called wild. But even here too crazy is not funny anymore witness the big priest problem.
Maybe also related to OTK decks: if your OTK deck would be a guaranteed certified win at turn 5, this would be a problem. A certified win at turn 13, not so much.
I would add replies to posts directly under the post replied to with some indentation etc. (like in email clients). This breaks chronological order though, but you can then have "threads in threads". I think it's a trade-off. Maybe add a toggle so users can switch from "thread mode" to "chronological mode" ?
This is a reply on Elsabidon's post to illustrate the Reply functionality. It is just listed below all other posts and there is no indication to which post it is replying too (at least not in my interface).
Mmm. If I click quote on your post I get your post in a quote. What I find confusing is the Reply button, since that looks to be a normal post at the bottom of the list instead of inserted directly below the post replied to
Being a rather beta person I lack some precision in the post. When defining strengths and weaknesses about classes, I want to see actual numbers which we can check and verify being true or false. For instance. Mage strength is bord clear. Paladin's weakness is direct damage spells and destroying big minions. Seems paladin has a hard time doing a bord clear while for mages it should be super easy. Paladin's OTK deck has 4 guaranteed board clears ready using Equality and Shrink Ray. Mages have blizzard, flamestrike, blast wave and some more aoe spells, but no guaranteed board clear at all. If a paladin needs to destroy a big minion he can choose from two class spells? How is this supposed to be a weakness then? Is it a weakness when a class has less than 4 cards in his deck dealing with it? Come on. Complete nonsense.
That moment when a espionage rogue comes with 1 mana Antonidas/fire ball/ galaxy spell/ sorcerer apprentice/ and just kills you in 2 turns, while you are desparately tring to find your own galaxy spell and draw...
I think the meta is very good atm. Even for a mostly single class player like me, I have enough interesting stuff to try as mage. I fool around with jepetto, galaxy spell, cyclones, tempo variants, mechs, otk's its all viable. For instance, lately I just wanted to try a cyclone/mech/giant fusion deck so I put in the giants, conjures calling, a lot of cheap mechs, some card draw, some silence, some aoe and some antonidas and tried it out on level 10. Won first 3 games with it. Had a lot of fun too. Then realized the cyclones were not doing much in the deck so I replaced them by more mechs. Even more fun! Feels good to out-mech a mech hunter lol.
I try to readup on a big list of novels when opponents are roping me. Does not really work though.
When my daughter is in the same room she always asks me why I play a game which makes me so upset....good question :
Also happens on PC I can testify
I feel uncontrollable rage when opponent top-decks some lucky escape card. Or gets the one needed taunt from Astromancer that will keep him alive for the next turn, then he top-decks blizzard to remove my lethal board. At that point I am feeling some negative emotions :)
Only lost with this deck, no fun at all.
This moment when you face the mage and you have three hard removals in hand for all possible big dudes they will play.
Tony you have reached an elevated state of Hearthstonery. I only like taking damage when I have the lethal in hand for next turn, or when they hit face while they should have eliminated this minion. I find it impossible to not feel anything when losing. Some losses are worse than others of course. On the other hand, when I win too easily with a deck (I recently won a couple of games very smoothly with some tempo/aggro mage variant) I get bored :)
The pogo's start slow and need time to grow, so opponent has time to create own board and threats. And the big pogo's can be silenced/frozen or ignored when your lethal comes first.
Its very frustrating when you finally out played the death rattle huntard and have been able to do away with all his minions bombs and stuff have finally setup your wide board to go for the lethal damage that they can clear with this poisonous combo that clears and leaves them a big minion on board. Even more when they top-deck it. And then dare to utter "Well Played". I need a drink.
I only play mage but I have the same experience with warriors, huntards and rogues
Was playing a deathrattle mech huntard on standard ladder he had me down to 1 HP and already said "Thank you". But I had Alexstraza in hand...and a huge card advantage so 2 turns later it was my turn to say thank you when dishing out the lethal in his face :).
Mmm. I find it difficult to play games out which started bad, I rather start a new one soon :). But I will take your advice and try to win anyway. Its amazing how boards can turn around sometimes
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