Update: PC Gamer's reveal has been moved to 6 hours after the reveal stream on Monday.
Blizzard has removed their remaining card reveals leading up to the reveal stream. This was somewhat expected considering we saw Blizzard's reveals yesterday removed due to ongoing public disappointment in the company following the California lawsuit against them for discrimination and sexual harassment in the workplace.
The removal of Blizzard's own reveals also comes with a few notable community members cancelling their planned reveals. Alliestrasza, Lt. Eddy, and Trump all cancelled their United in Stormwind card reveals after the news broke. This has caused disruption in the card reveal season and with that, more of a spotlight on the lawsuit within the community.
As of posting, there are 5 community card reveals still planned and the final reveal stream appears to be still taking place at the end, though it should be noted they have moved the stream up a day, it now takes place on Monday rather than Tuesday. You can follow along with the card reveal countdown updates over on our United in Stormwind Card Reveal Schedule.
Everyone, before you comment on the situation I'd like to remind you all that we need to keep things civil. I know I don't need to really need to make that comment because the community we've created here on Out of Cards is generally positive, but even we do occasionally have bad actors that appear and you've previously seen us ban folks with bad takes. While there are certainly some frustrations to be had, put things into perspective here; The community missing a few card reveals, delaying them until the card dump, is nothing compared to the discrimination and sexual harassment that has taken place at Activision Blizzard.
Comparing the two is disgusting behaviour and does not belong in our community on Out of Cards and certainly does not belong in the greater Hearthstone and gaming communities. Seeing disgusting comments made on the situation on other websites and seeing them not moderated is those owners continuing to support this hatred and is beyond awful to see.
There is no reason to harass anyone over the lawsuit. No one deserves to be harassed because they are continuing to work at Blizzard, creating content for Blizzard games, or continuing to enjoy Blizzard games. Anyone's continued practice of interacting with the company in any of does not equal standing with Blizzard. Not everyone is in a situation where they can afford to leave their positions purely based on principal and that does not make them a lesser person.
Listen to folks and let their stories by heard. Let the courts take care of Activision Blizzard.
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The fact that this exact situation keeps happening is one that I find both confusing and frustrating. My heart goes out to all of the victims and I hope that the proper justice comes through. While Blizzard is stuck in this catastrophic and infuriating mess, I do think it's important for us to try to have some positivity in our day instead of feeling terrible the whole time.
If you're feeling frustrated at Blizzard right now (and honestly, who could blame you?), then it may be a good idea to spend some more of your time today doing something you enjoy. Whether it be watching a show, playing a game or working on some sort of passion project. Do something to lift your spirits up today. You're going to feel better doing that than if you continue to soak yourself in negative feelings for the rest of the day.
Sorry, but how is the first sentence not a comparing between these two things?
To compare X to Y doesn't mean to equate X to Y. You can compare two things and come to the conclusion that these things are very different.
You’re being too literal. To say you can’t compare things, or that they aren’t comparable, is basically a way to say they are two very different things (as you said).
There's a difference between a (quasi-)mathematical definition of comparison, which was used in the first sentence to say X<<Y, and the colloquial definition used in the second sentence to say basically the same thing in a less formal way.
It was pretty awkward having the two uses so close together, I'll give you that, but the intended interpretation was actually consistent.
I think the point is that acting like delaying the reveals is just as much of an injustice as the...you know...actual injustice makes one look like a complete out of touch moron.
I see nothing wrong with that statement.
A strange move on Blizzard's part. I don't care whether there's a reveal season or not, that's not what gives me pause. I just don't quite understand what them cancelling the reveal season is supposed to do for them. Does it save face in any way? Is it meant to say something?
It's completely understandable for people to cancel their reveal so that they don't look like they promote Blizzard at this time. Though I wonder how many people would have still revealed their card if Allie hadn't cancelled hers first. We'll never know.
Either way, the reason I find this strange is that it's not like Blizzard has been convicted of anything. They've just been sued. And that status is not going to change any time soon. The lawsuit can drag on for months, if not years. Is Blizzard going to not do a spoiler season for any of their content until the lawsuit is settled? Hardly. So at some point they're just gonna have to shrug and move on like normal, whether the issue is resolved or not. Hell, even if they lose in court they're gonna do that. They won't just stay shamefully quiet forever. So what exactly did they expect this PR move to achieve? Are they waiting till it blows over, people forget and they can get on like normal (a la Ubisoft or, hell, a la the Blitzchung incident)? They can't be doing this to show solidarity with those affected, cause that would be an admission that this bad shit has been happening. So what are they trying to say with this?
Their reasoning is the same as Brian Kibler, Alliestrasza, Lieutenant Eddy and TrumpSC: Card reveal videos and discussions could be seen as an attempt at distracting the public away from the lawsuit and its allegations. These people would prefer it gets all the attention it can. The Hearthstone team feels the same way, which is why they cancelled their own internal card reveals. They obviously couldn't force the community creators which received cards to reveal to follow suit, but it wouldn't surprise me if many creators came to the same conclusion.
It's a good thing people are speaking up and standing together to end this disgusting kind of behaviour. Even if the lawsuit doesn't amount to anything because of lack of evidence or something, there's a spotlight on the issue right now which will probably help prevent further abuse from happening.
Maybe we should also consider speaking up with our wallets. I haven't preordered yet and this issue doesn't really encourage me to do so.
I don't know if it shines as much of a spotlight as we might want. Similar shit has happened in Ubisoft (as in, there have been lawsuits about this) and they've gone on like nothing has happened since the lawsuit ended. Couple high-level execs got allowed to leave with a nice, juicy severance package and even got to keep their shares and options in Ubi and that was it. Very much doubt the corporate culture in there has changed much given how they handled the outcome. They're just gonna be more careful that it doesn't become public again, if anything.
I was on the fence about preordering. I used to purchase the big bundle for each expansion because I don’t have a lot of time to grind for gold. I scaled back to the smaller bundles last year, and was on the fence about this one. I think this situation has made me decide to just spend accrued gold on packs
Disappointing as reveal season is one of the highlights I look forward to, but I agree with Flux's points regarding keeping some perspective here.
Hopefully lots of positives will come out of what sounds to have been a very unpleasant situation for many - both Activision Blizzard and all other large companies watching.
Treat people fairly and respectfully whatever their race, religion, gender, age etc. Not only because it's the right thing to do and avoids lawsuits, but people valued tend to be easier to retain and work better. Everyone wins.
Next expansion they should just try to not show anything and you only get to see the cards when they are released haha (also leaving the preorder bundlers open for purchase for a few weeks after release)
I must say i don't fully agree with how everyone immediately jumped on the "Shame blizzard' train as soon as news about the lawsuit got posted. It is still unresolved and Blizzard stated firmly many accusations are false.
Of course if they were guilty that's what they'd say, but we should still wait for the legal process to play out before choosing sides. Since the Riot Games scandal a while back i don't hold any corporation in a golden light anymore, especially current Blizzard, but lets give them a chance to defend themselves, right?Too many people brought their pitchforks out to sharpen at the first news of a scandal.
Hey BasilAnguis, that's kind of a bad take.
I absolutely get being uncomfortable with jumping on board a rush to judgement on the internet. Sometimes that can be wildly misled, taken by little things out of context, and blown up by a single person (or small group) who is looking for an axe to grind.
We have, though, evidence that this isn't the case here.
First off, this is a big suit, and it's brought by the Government of California. Not a single actor. Not one disgruntled person. The state government. After two years of investigation, it's a pretty damning indictment.
Secondly, this isn't "the first news of a scandal." People (mostly women) have been talking about this literally for years. It may be the first time that it's in a court of law, but that doesn't make it the first time we're hearing about it. This isn't the first step in the process for the women who have been harassed and discriminated against, this is their last resort.
It speaks to the ways that we're ready to dismiss or ignore women's voices when they bring things up. And that's a sucky thing to be complicit in.
I want to emphasize that I'm not singling you out as a "bad guy" or anything. I've been complicit in this, too. I paid for HS for the first time in years with Barrens and got the battle pass. I supported a company that has been demonstrably shitty to women and people of colour. I don't love that feeling. But rather than sit in it, it reminds me that it's important to sit up, take note, and believe women. They are more deserving of being given a chance than the large, multimillion dollar corporation who exists to monetize various entertaining passtimes.
While they are indeed only allegations as no trial has actually taken place, I do think it is important to remember the state of California would not being bringing them to court unless they had a damn good case against the company. Also, the statement Blizzard made is the default stance they have to publicly take when they are going to be trying to defend themselves. The company itself may not have committed the actions, but they facilitated the harassment so remain at fault for the actions of the employees that were doing no good.
Its one thing for me to fire up a lawsuit against someone and get it taken to a court where they ultimately defend themselves because my suit was frivolous, but its another thing for an entity like a state to feel confident enough to go to war with Activision Blizzard. You know ATVI has some serious lawyers that can get them out of plenty of situations, so the confidence must be overwhelming that they know they can win.
And if they do end up losing against Blizz, we can only hope that some real change comes from it all since these stories have been made public and has encouraged others to speak about their time at the company.
It hasn't been much of a secret though that this has been happening at the company, and others in the gaming space, so those jumping on the shame Blizzard train aren't really doing so immediately. I think its important to state your dissatisfaction with the company as a whole, and if that means people don't want to play or buy their products then they are entitled to do so. No one should be targeting any individual person though, at least not until a court finds that person guilty.
You can use your own judgment, read available information, take into account past history. If you just defer all your opinions to what the justice system can prosecute and prove beyond a reasonable doubt you would think that Bill Cosby is a perfectly fine man.
Damn I wanted to ask a question in AMA after the full dump, but very likely AMA will not happen
Dean did his AMA this week after the news came out about the lawsuit and even commented on it.
While I can't say that says for sure he'll do one next week, I hope that he feels like he can still speak with the community. I know the community would appreciate it, though it ultimately is a ball that is in Blizzard or Dean's court.
Leeson learned here is that if you see something say something. The truth always come out in the end and a bad truth will bite you in the ass
I agree. But the problem is that the culture of the company is toxic. As it turns out, even HR and contact persons leaked personal complaints of employees.
I am very disappointed in how Blizzard used Rainbowcolors to cover up things like these.
I hope Blizzard can reinvent itself, because a good company culture creates a innovatie workflow.
Currently only the HS-team is delivering what can be expected.
Look at all the issues at the Wow-team and relate that to this behaviour.