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Thanks for making the meta worse blizz!

how this balance update was ever put through is beyond me. by nerfing so many decks substantially while leaving questline warlock nearly untouched (in terms of how the actual changes affect the deck; e.g. the two nerfs on questline warlock did much less to nerf the deck than the single nerf to incanter's flow did to nerf every tempo/combo mage list in both formats) they've paved the way for the deck to completely stomp the meta twice as hard as it was before. this is even more of a problem in wild where:

  • evenlock was hit much harder from losing flesh giant than questlock was by the cost increase
  • apm/tempo mage decks have a much harder time playing incanters flow while dealing with aggressive warlock/priest/hunter boards
  • odd questline hunter somehow went completely untouched, resulting in even more games against drooling brainlets playing the skill equivalent of cookie clicker (sorry not sorry)

i could go on, but you get the picture. for the first time in a very long time, blizzard has butchered a balance update so badly that the meta has devolved into mostly the two same decks not only in one format, but in both of them. furthermore, the decks before this patch such as miracle mage and secret paladin that could stand up to the more overpowered decks without being too powerful (by blizzard's own statistics!) have been nerfed so much harder than their already more powerful counterparts that they've been stomped into a minuscule portion of the meta. so thanks blizzard, and thanks to all the players complaining about uninteractive mage decks, tax paladins and other decks with no actual statistical reason to be nerfed. i hope you enjoy the god awful meta you helped create. i, for one, will not be making legend for the first time in a while, because its not even close to worth the frustration of playing against the same 2-3 decks every single game regardless of what format im playing.

edit: i understand that the tone of this post is apparently too aggressive and i apologize. ill be rewriting my thoughts on this subject in a new, calmer post and will likely delete this one afterwards

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  • how this balance update was ever put through is beyond me. by nerfing so many decks substantially while leaving questline warlock nearly untouched (in terms of how the actual changes affect the deck; e.g. the two nerfs on questline warlock did much less to nerf the deck than the single nerf to incanter's flow did to nerf every tempo/combo mage list in both formats) they've paved the way for the deck to completely stomp the meta twice as hard as it was before. this is even more of a problem in wild where:

    • evenlock was hit much harder from losing flesh giant than questlock was by the cost increase
    • apm/tempo mage decks have a much harder time playing incanters flow while dealing with aggressive warlock/priest/hunter boards
    • odd questline hunter somehow went completely untouched, resulting in even more games against drooling brainlets playing the skill equivalent of cookie clicker (sorry not sorry)

    i could go on, but you get the picture. for the first time in a very long time, blizzard has butchered a balance update so badly that the meta has devolved into mostly the two same decks not only in one format, but in both of them. furthermore, the decks before this patch such as miracle mage and secret paladin that could stand up to the more overpowered decks without being too powerful (by blizzard's own statistics!) have been nerfed so much harder than their already more powerful counterparts that they've been stomped into a minuscule portion of the meta. so thanks blizzard, and thanks to all the players complaining about uninteractive mage decks, tax paladins and other decks with no actual statistical reason to be nerfed. i hope you enjoy the god awful meta you helped create. i, for one, will not be making legend for the first time in a while, because its not even close to worth the frustration of playing against the same 2-3 decks every single game regardless of what format im playing.

    edit: i understand that the tone of this post is apparently too aggressive and i apologize. ill be rewriting my thoughts on this subject in a new, calmer post and will likely delete this one afterwards

  • Wanna steam off? Please do it in the right place.

    Here you go

  • Ever consider that people may downvote you, not particularly because of your argument, but because of your godawful tone?

    I'd imagine not.

    Anyway, I'll bite; standard is really diverse and still nowhere close to refined.

    Nearly every class has viable deck(s) and there are a lot of unrefined archetypes still around, meaning it's nowhere close to being fully developed yet.

    Wild might be a shitshow because of warlock, but has been that for over a year now. People who think wild is even close to being one of the devs' priorities is just delusional at this point. And even then, Iksar mentioned the other day that they're still looking at some further warlock corrections for wild.

     

    So yeah, all of the above is why I downvoted you.

    • alright, i really didnt think the tone of my post was anywhere near as aggressive as it seems to be being interpreted, but obviously i was wrong. im going to rewrite this more eloquently and post again, and i apologize for allowing my frustration to override the point that i was trying to make. that being said, if you're looking at what decks are being reported hitting legend as well as available deck statistics i dont see how you can come to the conclusion that every class has a deck in the meta. i have more to say on this as well as on your take on blizzards treatment of wild, but ill wait to expand on it in the aforementioned other post, as ill probably delete this one. thanks for being frank with me
      • Quote From MojoPogo
        alright, i really didnt think the tone of my post was anywhere near as aggressive as it seems to be being interpreted, but obviously i was wrong. im going to rewrite this more eloquently and post again, and i apologize for allowing my frustration to override the point that i was trying to make. that being said, if you're looking at what decks are being reported hitting legend as well as available deck statistics i dont see how you can come to the conclusion that every class has a deck in the meta. i have more to say on this as well as on your take on blizzards treatment of wild, but ill wait to expand on it in the aforementioned other post, as ill probably delete this one. thanks for being frank with me

        Hey respect for apologizing.

        My view on standard is mostly based off of vS' early data presented in their podcast ( https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/p90raj/summary_of_the_82121_vicious_syndicate_podcast/ )

        Paired with some takes from high legend players who have hs premium (so access to high legend stats rather than just the general ones. Which are generally more telling of how the meta will develop. As players at lower ranks generally flock towards the tried and true decks like warlock, shaman and priest, whereas high legend players are always a step ahead and find counters to the perceived best decks, or even better decks or decklists.)

        Both of these sources of information point towards the fact that there's still a lot to be discovered and refined. 

  • It's fine to be frustrated and annoyed at the game - people just like to put others down, that's all :) And that diversity? it's aggro or combo that's only beatable by aggro. Not really so diverse. 

  • Hats off for your apology and trying to come back better, that takes some courage.

    I'd like to drop my 2 cents about Wild:

    At the time of writing this, I still haven't decided if I like the new meta or not. On the plus side, Stormwind was a huge shake up. As far as I can tell, there's only a handful of decks left that were good before and still are now. Seedlock is the new Secret Mage, the only difference being that there aren't many tech cards to beat them (like Flare, Chief Inspector, Eater of Secrets, SI:7 Infiltrator, Horde Operative, Kezan Mystic help you to beat Secret Mage). It is possible to beat them with a variety of decks but you have to draw lucky. I've been bouncing between legend 1.000 and 2.000 on EU for the last week and tried out lots of different stuff. All I can tell for sure is that the meta is far from settled and Seedlock is the most consistent deck right now. Decks that worked well for me were QL Druid (Odd or regular), Odd QL Hunter, QL Pirate Warrior, Even Tax Paladin and Celestial Druid. I'm seeing more and more Token decks (Murloc Shaman, Token Druid), Kingsbane Rogue is okay-ish, Mozaki Mage is still good because of double Ice Block, Shaman has a great QL deck with Spirit of the Frog that I'm just too stupid to pilot (but there's hope in form of a Big hybrid). I also have a good feeling about Even Handlock once the meta slows down a bit. The only class that looks like it's completely dead in Wild is Demon Hunter. So what I'm trying to say is that we're still trying out what's good and what isn't in Wild and that may take a while because Questlines have a similar impact like Genn and Baku had in their day.

     

    On the downside, Warlock is very annoying to play against and Control is dead, especially all the Reno decks - but that might as well be a Sunken Cost Fallacy speaking here.

  • Honestly, I hated the deck before it started gaining popularity among hs boosters (like that) or just skilled ones, and becoming more meta this xpac. I personally feel it's even more random than Casino mage.

  • I think you are all forgetting the main problem: this meta is BORING. Games are supposed to be fun. If you're enjoying this you might want to cut open your arm to reveal if you have wires in them. Robotically stale meta where decks play themselves and you're kidding yourself if you think there's very much diversity. 

     

    Just play Arena, author. You owe it to yourself and your sanity. Constructed will be good again one day...