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Mini-Set Madness - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread
Submitted 1 year, 10 months ago by
Demonxz95
Competition Theme: Mini-Set Madness
The sets may be miniature in size, but there's an enormous past for them to cover.
- You must make a card for a theoretical mini-set of an old expansion that has not received one.
- Work under the assumption that the mini-set comes out next Hearthstone Year (rather than back then).
- That means you can use mechanics that did not exist at the time (Rush, spell schools, etc.).
- Work under the assumption that the mini-set comes out next Hearthstone Year (rather than back then).
What would happen if Hearthstone's mini-sets covered more of its not-so-mini past? Nobudy and Wailor are both asking that question this week.
As always, we can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.
Competition Phases
Here are the phases of this card design competition
- Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Jan 23 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Sat, Jan 28 17:00 EST (GMT -0500)
- Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Jan 28 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Sun, Jan 29 16:00 EST (GMT -0500)
- Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Jan 29 17:00 EST (GMT -0500). Runs until Mon, Jan 30 17:00 EST (GMT -0500)
- Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.
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Competition Theme: Mini-Set Madness
The sets may be miniature in size, but there's an enormous past for them to cover.
What would happen if Hearthstone's mini-sets covered more of its not-so-mini past? Nobudy and Wailor are both asking that question this week.
As always, we can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.
Competition Phases
Here are the phases of this card design competition
Discussion Thread Rules
No thread rules were added to this season. Please populate and manually edit this thread with them.
This competition can be a bit of a strange, but I think there are several ways to make an interesting card:
In terms of flavor, you can try something that differs just a little from the main expansion, like Nathria went from a whodunnit in Revendreth to a judicial drama in the Maw. You can also barely change the flavor (like Throne of the Tides) or change it a lot (like Onyxia's Lair), but I think the sweet spot lies in the middle.
I'll try to post my first ideas tomorrow, but I wanted to share these general advices first.
Everyone let the mini-set madness... begin!!!! (obligatory title-drop)
I didn't realize until after I made it that Shadowball is just a better Cheap Shot, but Cheap Shot is was never exactly a good card or anything, so I don't mind powercreeping it, and I think the way Echo interacts with the Overkill justifies the design space.
Dungeoneer Casori is my main idea I'm chasing in this competition. It's a form of Burgle/Secret support, and it's also a method that Rogue can access some semi-reliable toolbox of options. An interesting note is that even if you play Casori in her stage 1 or 2 form, the Spellstones can still be upgraded by its regular condition.
I made two ideas, to help illustrate the kind of thing that we're looking for (edit: only to be ninja'd by the other two :P):
They both are a mix of the new and the old, and their "home expansion" is easily discerned.
Here's my first idea.
The Cambrian is a geological period when biodiversity really exploded and complex organisms started to thrive. I figured out a mini-set based on other extinct animals would make sense. The reward is based on the dunkleosteus, a huge predator fish (which lived in a posterior period, but whatever).
In terms of mechanics, it provides a Neutral Quest (just like Throne of the Tides had Neutral Colossals) and uses the new keyword Adaption, which complements Adapt.
I think this might be a bit too weak, so I might change it so that all summoned minions get the Adaption; or that it gives other minions the two Adaption you didn't pick instead of the one you picked; or both.
Well this is a hard prompt but i think i got a pretty solid idea.
I'm 99% sure i'll submit this one, just need feedback on the 4 effects. Still, made a second idea just in case:
I'll boop you
This card is for the Rastakhan's Rumble mini-set which is intended to combine the Witchwood, Boomsday and RR expansions. This card focuses on a ghostly swarm of Gral's sharks (note that the Echo keyword doesn't allow this to cost less than 1). It allows shenanigans to be pulled off with cards such as Cannon Barrage, Bloodsail Howler, Serrated Tooth and it's Battlecry can be doubled by Spirit of the Shark.
Three ideas.
"Truth is in the shadows, waiting to be revealed by the light. But light only disperses the shadow." - Me
"If other people shared traits of those considered naive, the world would've become a better place." - Also me
Holy shit this competition is moving incredibly slow. If no one gives feedback soon then nothing will ever get done, so I guess it's up to me.
I like Twilight Shepherd as a way to communicate what a C'Thun Death Knight could be. I think the effect of spending Corpses to do this allows the card to feel Death Knight-y, and provides a potentially powerful way to buff C'Thun that wouldn't be too broken due to requiring a resource.
Monica Dreadguard is a fine card. My main criticism about the card though is that it generates Fel spells, yet the art seems very fire-oriented, so there's a bit of a disconnect there.
First off, your advice is incredibly good and everyone in this thread should take it if they're having trouble.
As for your card itself, I like the idea of making a Neutral Quest and I wouldn't be opposed to Team 5 giving us a Neutral Quest, Questline, or even a hero card in an expansion fairly soon. We already have a Neutral Legendary weapon ala Sphere of Sapience, so really, anything can happen. I do like that it ties into Un'Goro's other keyword and I do think choosing different Adaptations is more creative than just "Play 4 Adapt cards" or something like that.
I can definitely see why you think Apexus is weak. My first comparison point is The Mistcaller since Flaming Claws, Rocky Carapace, or Volcanic Might effectively makes it a 5 mana 8/8 Mistcaller that requires a Quest to complete. At the same time though, there are definitely some Adaptations that could be a bit on the problematic side. I could see Crackling Shield, Lightning Speed, or Shrouding Mist potentially being annoying even they aren't necessarily overpowered. This isn't really your fault though since Adapt in general is just simply not very well balanced across all of its options. Having all summoned minions gain the Adaptation would be a good route, but then Living Spores might get in the way.
Overall I'd say it's a good card. Adapt effects like this are hard to work with and you did the best you could given that. It is probably a bit weak, but I don't really think it can be any stronger before it becomes unfun.
You won't be able to use Unidentified Mummy since the maximum tokens you can submit on a card is 3. In general, most cards don't need more than that, but I can see why think could potentially be problematic. Should we increase the number of tokens on future comps to 4? The artwork of the base form is also just a real-life picture, and that's definitely going to get penalized from people out the wazoo.
The Worgen Curse is a fine card. I think I like that one better.
And also remember to use the mini-set watermarks found in the custom watermark option.
If you wanted people to also count Dragonbane Ritual from the previous comp, then it would've been a good idea to post the card again here.
I definitely like Suffocating Lullaby the best out of the other two. I don't like Flameguard Protector that much since Permanent Overload is basically just losing a Mana Crystal and I don't think the effect can be explored since the downside can easily be negated by just using something like Overdraft.
One inspired by Joust mechanic in The Grand Tournament
Eat is the usual ‘remove from game and gain its stats’. Original Mutanus is 7 mana but I made this one cheaper to make it less powerful.
-=alfi=-
Two of my initial ideas. Aethas Sunreaver serves as a powerful value tool for Control decks, but comes at the cost of being quite slow and not immediately impacting the board. EVIL Propagandist looks to give some 'oomph' to self-damage and Lackey strategies for Warlock, which were a bit lacking at the time.
Yeah, this is being a very slow week. I haven't had as much time as usual, but I managed to finally write some feedback:
Dungeoneer Casori is also very cool, especially considering the fact you also upgrade her. It's funny, I also made a Rogue legendary that burgled legendary spells in my Boomsday miniset.
Overall, both cards are very solid in terms of mechanics and I'd probably rate them with 5 stars (or 4 if there are too many cards I really like).
Monica Dreadguard is also fine, but I don't like her as much as your other card (despite sharing her name with my fiancee lol). I like that her Inspire effect is so tied to the Warlock HP, but that makes me wonder what would happen if another class randomly generated her (I guess she'd be a vanilla minion). Finally, I think she would work better as a non legendary minion, because her effect isn't too flashy.
That leaves us with The Worgen Curse. I'd like to suggest it should be a legendary because of flavor reasons, but that would make it less consistent, so I don't know.
Finally, you should use the the mini-set watermark, which can be found in the "custom" part of Hearthcards. It's at the bottom of the watermarks, bc they were the first to be added.
To make it more nuanced, I'd suggest giving it Rush and making one of the following things:
About the others, I think I prefer Flameguard Protector, but I'm not sure if everyone will appreciate its gimmick.
Suffocating Lullaby is cool too, but it should either be a pure class card (I'd go for Priest) or use the Scholomance watermark.
EVIL Propagandist is good too, although it doesn't push the Lackey mechanic in unexpected ways, like minisets often do. If you go with it, keep in mind the word "hero" shouldn't be capitalized. I'd also recommend making it Rise of Shadows mini set, as the name makes more sense in a city than in a desert.
Well that... sucks. Quite a few cards in game have 4 tokens. the unidentified cards are just one category of them. Bru'kan of the Elements and Kalimos, Primal Lord.
Demonxz95 - It's not a real image by far lol. Just a zoomed in Final Reward from MTG. I wanted a mummy that was wrapped fully so it could be an actual "unidentified" mummy.
I know it would be against the rules sort of but is it not possible to submit 2 cards as 1 "token" by putting 2 cards in one image?
Like so.
I'll boop you
It's not "sort of" against the rules. It just simply is against the rules and there have been instances where we've disqualified entries for doing this.
So unfortunately there isn't really a fair way around this. I suppose this justifies discussing with the team about raising the standard token limit going forward.
(card that has been submitted by another user)
Well now this is quite unfortunate....
Yeah, I've seen it 🥲 I guess I'll go with one card from my Boomsday miniset, but it's kinda annoying.
EDIT: I ended going with Learning Machine.
Here's my idea for a TGT miniset card to make the Inspire keyword from that set hopefully less of a failure
I like the idea! It feels quite balanced and it's a nice way to buff Inspire. You should use the custom TGT Mini-set watermark if you want the icing on the cake :
Y'all got 24 hours to submit.
Good luck to everyone in the voting!
I didn't provide any feedback 'cause I don't feel all that great mentally. Sorry.
Good luck to all!
Wishing you the best, Link. Warm thoughts and cozy relaxation. The world is better for your unique perspective. Be well - as well as you can be, at least!
Better call Thrall!
I'm sorry to hear that. Take the time you need to recover or to get used to your new condition in case it's chronic.
Thanks
Good luck to the finalists
It's been a silent week indeed. I'm busy myself for a couple of weeks, so I didn't join the feedback either. Honestly, this prompt probably deserves more than one comp.
Link, best of wishes from me. Go ahead and have a good sulk.
And of course good luck to the finalists!
Same here, I'm kinda furious that the new season has started and work keeps me so busy that I can't really participate like I want to. No browsing artstation or typing feedback during slow hours, too tired in the evening to do more than preparing for the next day and queue a few games with meme decks. I'm sorry that I can't make it happen even if it's my own choice to prioritise other stuff.
That said health has to come first always. I wish you all the best linkblade <3
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Congrats to Demon!
Congrats to Demon! I think you can be doubly proud because those upgrading cards rarely have a chance to win.
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