Tired of the same old decks running rampant in Standard but not confident you can come up with something different? HSReplay has you covered!
In a tweet yesterday they gave us four decks with +50% winrates in Rank 5 to Legend that practically nobody is playing - yet, anyway. Check out the graphic they gave below - we've also provided the decks on-site (as well as links to HSReplay) so you can copy them into Hearthstone as simply as possible, and check their winrates for yourself.
Go, tear up the Ladder with these off-the-wall options - hell, there's even a couple of Paladin lists in here!
Quest Hunter - 54.8% Winrate (View on HSReplay)
Galakrond Handlock - 52.7% Winrate (View on HSReplay)
Mech Paladin - 52.3% Winrate (View on HSReplay)
Murloc Paladin - 51.4% Winrate (View on HSReplay)
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So the Prophecy of Rafaam was correct, Warlock is gonna rise up and up again.
RAFAAM The SUPREME ARCHAEOLOGIST is FINALLY GONNA TAKE OVER THE META. MWAHAHAHAHA.
When Valdris Felgorge doesn't see play in a offmeta handlock deck... :D
not needed because of Veiled Worshipper.
He's a staple in the normal version though.
My favourite right now is Highlander Murloc Paladin!
Quest Hunter seems fun, but I don't own the Quest...or Halazzi. Or Veranus. Or Leeroy Jenkins. The investment required is just too great, and while I have the resources I can't justify spending it all on a single class.
yeah, it's very fun, but depends very much on the core to be used successfully.
I'd say Halazzi and Veranus are optional, but Leeroy is basically 90% of your wins. The Leeroy Unleash combo is basically the old Force of NAture combo and it works just as well.
I've been playing a Quest Hunter with just beasts and Master's Call. It performs pretty decent, although often I win or lose before quest completion, so I'm not certain yet it really should be a quest deck. I don't have Halazzi either, but I would probably include it in this deck if I did. Instead, I've been using Hunting Mastiff.
I managed with that list without Halazzi, Veranus and Leeroy. Out of this three, only Leeroy Jenkins seemed to me to be important.
Replace these with Ursatron (mostly to draw SN1P SN4P), Cult Master (surprised this wasn't in the list), and Boommaster Flark (in my opinion, a better card than Shuma, but not as funny)
or try adding Blackwald Pixie for that unleash OTK against an unsuspecting shaman and laugh
All you need now, is just to craft Unseal the Vault
I hate what those community sites and netdecking make the game.
These aren't off-meta decks. As soon as some sites or someone speak about some off-meta decks (like those), they become meta decks like those. I didn't see any other decks than those in ladder in 2 days.
Netdecking kills all the joy for sure.
I know noone will care this deck unless there are highlighted win rates or hsreplay statistics so i can share it kindly;
Do you know what is an off-meta deck ?
This is for example;
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(Btw, I don't claim that the deck is good. Just shared it for being example.)
If some decks hit on hsreplay.net with some proved statistics, these are not off-meta decks anymore. Collected statistics on that site means there are plenty of people who plays those decks so they are meta decks, not off-meta decks and that's not just statistics, That's also my personal experience, My Last 20-30 games were against these 4 decks and all of my opponents were different people.
And please, Don't say me "go play unranked then". We all know that normal mode has also those netdecks. There are not any safe place in hs, so i'm playing all of my decks in ladder rather than normal mode because normal mode has also hyper aggro decks which were built for rushing 100g cap.
I'm going to post a rebuttal, and since this is an area I believe in passionately, I'm probably going to get a little heated. I apologise in advance.
In my view, people who complain about netdecking are people who either don't understand how the internet works, don't understand how communities work, or who actively want the game to be weaker than it is.
Think about what you do when you make a deck you really enjoy. You post it online, or you talk to your friends about it, or what have you. That is a natural human action, something we picked up when we stopped roaming the savannah and started squatting in mud huts - we like to share things. We get pleasure from knowing that someone else enjoyed something we made or did. And, inevitably, when someone shares something they enjoy with you, you'll want to try it for yourself. That is a borderline inevitability in any game with a strong community.
Take that to its rational conclusion. The internet allows millions of people to share decks with one another. People, as a general rule, want to win; therefore, they will tend towards the decks that win more often than the ones that don't, all else being equal. This then leads to the strongest decks becoming better known, and becoming popular. Even if pro play didn't exist, the existence of the internet will lead to netdecking. It will happen with absolute certainty.
Then factor in the person making the deck. The vast majority of decks you'll see will be made by strangers, and you have no frame of reference as to whether that person has any idea what they're talking about. So, of course, when professional play exists, players will lean towards decks made by professional players because they have credentials. Again, this encourages a trend of netdecking.
But of course, none of this explains why netdecking is actually a good thing, other than (I suppose) the community effort to find and play good decks. And yet it is - netdecking is actually healthy for the game. It encourages a higher skill cap, enables balance changes to happen, and provides easy points of reference for people discussing the game.
"Higher skill cap? What?" I hear you say. "You don't have to make your own deck, that's lowering the skill cap!" I wholly disagree. Firstly, of course, because teching a deck to your tastes and to your local meta after netdecking it is a strong skill in and of itself, and it's one most people seem to be pretty terrible at. But more importantly, because concepts like hand-reading and gamestate knowledge cannot exist without semi-transparency of what an opponent's deck is. It's simply not possible to get any kind of real hand-read on an opponent if you have no idea what their deck is. The best you can make is a vaguely educated guess. And even that educated guess wouldn't really be possible without an established net-based metagame, since you have no idea how good your opponent really is - without knowing someone's skill level, they could have decked literally anything with faulty reasoning.
Balance-change wise - having established decks allows for statistics to be gathered on card performance much more easily. If everyone is playing random garbage they put together, the metrics are nowhere near as consistent and trends are more difficult to identify. You might not think that's an issue - and admittedly I'm on record as being strongly against the change-heavy tendencies lately. But think about the most obnoxious decks that have been changed and consider that if fewer people are playing those decks they're less likely to be spotted and changed.
I could go on - at length - but I'm sure nobody's reading at this point besides you. So, closing para:
To complain about netdecking - aside from lacking a basic understanding of human nature - is a fundamentally selfish action. You want to make your own decks - you can do so. You can do so all day long, and nobody doing anything is going to stop you. What you're complaining about, really, is not being able to win with the decks you've made because other people are playing better decks they've found elsewhere. So, in essence, you're upset because other people make better decks than you do, and give them out to people in the same way you do. And while I can understand how that would be upsetting, it's probably not something I'd go around broadcasting, personally.
Thanks for that long explanation and reasoning about netdecking.
But there is a point you missed and it is a vital point;
I didn't claim that netdecking is good or bad, I just said i hate it and my reasoning was deck diversity and how it bores me to play against same decks.
There were nothing to defend because i didn't call netdecking is bad. I just said i don't like it.
I really don't understand why people who netdecks are offended. If you like ice-cream and I don't like and I tell that "I hate ice-cream" would you defend ice-cream like you defend netdecking ?
It was a personal statement, I didn't call netdecking bad. I already know the reasoning and wisdom behind netdecking and approving the wisdom but still hate netdecking because of my personal tastes.
I think you need to stop looking and learn to see.
Netdecking was not even the topic of my comment. The topic was off-meta decks and how those decks are not off-meta anymore by sharing them on the internet.
Why are you guys trying to provoke me by drawing me to a common netdecking discussion ?
If you really want to draw me that discussion i only will say this;
I have quoted the part I really do not care because succession and high skill cap is only an illusion for this game. It doesn't reward you anything. It doesn't give you any boosts besides "oh see!? I'M A PRO NOW !" feeling.
I don't play this game to boost my ego, I play this game because i enjoy it. Hitting legend once is enough to get a cardback, noone will gain anything from this game, any money, any in-game rewards etc. I don't care for wins. I care only my enjoyment and i'm saying that it bores me to play against netdecks. Don't care their succession or winrates.
And I know how internet works and don't like that either. Do I have to ? You can defend netdecking or internet however you want. You can defend anything however you want but you can't wait people to like everything you like. We are different in our personal tastes and my comment was a personal taste. What you are doing here is like discussing favorite colors of ours. "Hey man !? Why don't you like red ? Some t-shirts might be really cool in red how can't you know that and don't like that super cool collor ?"
Funny really. I am saying again; I don't care how netdecks saves times to be successful, how they are tested by huge amount of people so their success are guaranteed etc. I don't care wins in this game. I just don't want to play against same decks over and over again and since there is not a game mode which we can ban some decks to not play against, I have a right to complain about netdecks. I can understand that people plays netdecks in ranked, i can also understand that people are practicing their netdecks on normal mode to be successful in ranked but this causes that there is no current mode for me to play against different decks. Same decks over and over again.
I don't want to be able to live this; "oh it is a hunter, so his first move will be dropping that sidequest or that 1/3 minion, oh turn 2 here Phase stalker comes, oh turn 3 here comes bla bla. Same shit over and over again. I don't even play 3 games in a row with same deck. It really bores me and highlighting it again; IT IS A PERSONAL TASTE and STATEMENT !
Sorry but you can't defend something that I didn't attack. OR you can do it by doing this is a silly move. You are defending a safe zone, good luck on wasting your time to do that.
I think people over exaggerate their reactions about netdecking.. people who net deck card by card and just always play the top deck no matter what aren't gonna win as much as someone who takes a shell and then adapt it to their playstyle/local meta/global meta, they are gonna win about the same as the win rate suggests or less specially if they don't understand how the deck works..
I am not against net decking but I feel annoyed by people purpously making bad decks that people already tried and play those cause they are not meta decks.. same for people complaining about aggro while playing galakround priest or some other deck that is not meta just for the sake of being a "none netdecker elitist"
I always make my own decks at the start of the expansion it's fun and all but when it comes to crafting something I HAVE TO look at the data so I don't craft something I will regret, also if the deck I am playing is not working there's nothing bad about getting a better shell and work from there..
let's take for example dragon embiggen druid.. the deck is very good but at it's first iterations which I played as well the deck was very slow and didn't use a lot of rush minions.. now the deck is getting refined by many if you play a deck and try to refine it yourself it will take you a lot of games around 20 to get what really works or not but you can look at the data and get better feel for what is good and what isn't..
my personal hate against netdecks is not about elitism. It is my personality that I bore quickly so I don't want to play against same decks over and over again. I don't even use a deck 5 games in a row. That's a personal taste. I am not trying to be an asshole like "people who does netdecks are stupid and can't even make their own decks.". I just hate it because it bores me to play against and with same decks for 4 months. Even they change their decks in time; for example 1st person plays mech paladin first month, then he crafts another top deck face hunter in 2nd month, and another one on 3rd month, even he plays a different deck I already being matched his 2nd and 3rd decks in 1st month from different guys so nothing changes for me.
I can understand that some people don't have time to test decks, they simply netdecks a successful deck and keep going. I already didn't say anything bad to people who netdecks. I just said that I hate it. It is not elitism. It is a personal decision and taste like don't like eating same meal in every dinner.
I really don't understand why people who netdecks personalizing this. That's my opinions and don't like netdecking, don't like to play against netdecks. You might not care which deck you are playing against. I don't care what you think, so don't care what I think. It is just an opinion. ( you here is not you Doublesummon, I just talked in general.)
Unfortunately, if your main complaint is that you find meta decks/netdecking is making your play boring because you find yourself playing against the same decks all the time, I have some bad news... optimization and the desire to win will dictate the best decks will be played the most frequently, so you are probably going to have this problem regardless.
I agree it can be very frustrating to see the same play goals and style often, but that is the nature of competition; if a team could score a goal every 5 minutes in a world cup match by playing a certain way, do you think they will take advantage of that? Yes, people could try new decks and play with the optimization, but seeing as the meta does that naturally, most people aren't skilled and confident enough to believe they know better than HSReplay (and, for the most part, we're right).
You could view this a bit differently though; even if you play 5 opponents all using the same deck, with the amount of RNG in HS the experience should never be exactly the same... sure, when playing a rogue you are probably going to see them attempting to use Necrium Apothecary by turn 4, but will they be able to? Can you make some plays that will make them rethink that strategy or divert them from it entirely? Maybe, maybe not, but given the vast variability in this game your play experience should often differ.
OutofCards has a great series called Meta-Breaker where the author takes the most dominant (usually) deck in the meta and tries to create a counter; maybe this is something you could explore if you want to diversify the meta? Just saying that, since you can't control what others will do, maybe you find ways to reduce your boredom with the game.
TLDR: People like to win and that won't change, so maybe find ways to enjoy that fact through diversifying your play and meta breaking?
Regardless, you do you; have a good time :)
The point is i don't desire to win and that's already what shapes my hate around netdecking.
The point you missed is, I'm not whining about netdecks just because i can't win against them, I whine because I play against them. I don't care my ranks, my wins etc.
Automated games are boring me. I don't like to know what the hunter i am playing with will play on turn 1 and turn 2 and turn 3.
Also, You are missing a vital point too like the other guys here. I didn't claim that netdecking is bad. I just said I hate it. It was a personal taste. I am not saying it is good or bad. Even my first comment under the article was not about a common netdecking discussion. It was about off-meta decks and how these off-meta decks are not off-meta anymore by sharing them in an internet site.
Like i say above to another forummer, Don't try to provoke me to draw me into a common netdecking discussion.
Didn't claim you want to win (although I admit I probably assumed that would be at least a part of your desire to play, as most find no joy in always losing), also didn't claim you think netdecking is bad or good, just stated that you would be disappointed in your play as you will find you are often competing against optimized decks. Please, before claiming I am missing your points, be certain you completely read the message you are criticizing. I am not attempting to provoke a netdecking discussion (unless it is a meta-analysis of how the goals of players creates the dynamic) much less any kind of argument; just trying to give you a heads up what to expect and why.
Well, my main concern is enjoyment. I claimed that you missed my point because of that you suggested me to play meta-breaker decks if i can't control others preferance but unfortunately that doesn't fix my problem that I face 4 same decks 4 games in a row.
Only one thing could fix my problem and that should be done by Blizzard unfortunately. There is not a safezone to be far from this netdecks. Even build-a-deck brawls are full with netdecks after first hour of the brawl. Casual is full of netdeck-practicers and hyper aggro 100g grinders. Ladder is (normally) full with netdecks. There are some fun cards that it is obvious they won't see any ladder play but so fun to play with. Where can we play those cards ? There are no place unless Blizzard decides to give us a mode where we can ban cards, decks or even classes.
All I want from game is that and there is not a mode that we can do it for 6 years. What we are getting instead of this ? A shitty auto-chess mode.
I don't want to be like "I paid money, You have to do what I want" type of guy but I just want to say that These (and some other) decisions of Blizzard makes me leave paying to them and probably make me stop playing the game. They might just losing a customer and single customer might not important for them but I really don't care.
I will probably make Hearthstone my casual game when LoR comes at 24th and will just do dailies in order to collect some cards but won't care about my collection anymore. I already got a decent wild collection.I decided to do that because of netdecking hell of hearthstone. If i miss to play, i can play some wild games without knowing the netdecks of the game because I won't follow related news anymore probably. That might make my games more enjoyable and might make me less salty about the game. The Most healthy way for me and my forumming is this probably.
Sorry if I've offended anyone in this quoting chains btw. but This netdecking hell was one of my vital points about Hearthstone and you know, People might be wild and go mad while they are giving up on something and Warcraft Universe and dream of the card game of it was one of my most loved hobby once. Sorry again.
At some point I think we should start to realize that its not possible to build a decent deck from scratch without having a good chunk of it being similar to a listed deck somewhere in some popular site.
In this case, when will we call it a netdecking experience, as opposed to one build up on our own?
- posted on a HS community site
I've been playing a Highlander Malygos ft. Jepetto Hunter Deck, that took me from rank 7-4 this month.
Does that make me more "off-meta" than you?
Or does that mean too many people are playing Maly Hunter now, thus making your deck no longer "off-meta" enough for you?
Yeah "HS Community" means netdecks only, sure.
Where did you get that opinion? I am here for some forum games, reveal seasons, helping people + asking for help, for chatting about my favorite card game, Saving decks before expansion hits to remember, fan cards/expansions etc. Not everyone is using these sites for those netdecks. These reasons are enough to be a part of a community, I presume.
Also, I am not trying to be off-meta. If i like Highlander Mage for example, When it becomes meta, I am not stopping to play Highlander Mage. I don't stop playing any meta decks if i like the style but I always prefer to build it myself. Just don't like copy-paste.
I just exampled that hunter deck, that's all. I might have exampled another unpopular deck too. That was just "AN" example.
I was pointing out that the claims these sites made as "off-meta" becomes meta in 1-2 days. There's no meaning calling those decks off-meta + If the deck dropped to hsreplay.net it will be sooner or later meta if it has good winrates.
There are other people like me too in the HS community sites. You are always coming with this bullshit argument like "posting this in a hs community". Your opinion is not the only opinion. There are thousands of people. Everyone can enjoy different things. You netdeckers keep denying people like me in the community and then you are boasting each other how good community you are. That's a complete bullshit. You can't deny any other opinions different from yours. The community is not just for people who thinks like you. You need to learn that.
I might not have a popular opinion but it doesn't mean i don't exist in this community. Wtf is This ! I just said that I don't like what they do to the game. THAT'S ALL.
I just pointed my point of view and since it is my comment, I told about my opinions. Didn't attack anyone or harass anyone. Oh, but if your ego got harassed because you are a netdecker that's a different thing. I can't help stupidity, sorry.