Hearthstone
2020 Hall of Fame Predictions
With the new year announcement just around the corner, what are everyone's predictions for which cards get sent to the Hall of Fame this year?
My predictions:
Divine Spirit and/or Inner Fire - this should have happened last year
Edwin VanCleef - it's time for Rogue to stop being able to steal wins with an early Edwin. This card is used in too many Rogue decks, and I feel a change is needed to keep things fresh.
Leeroy Jenkins - I'm torn about this. Leeroy I have a love/hate relationship with. Having a Charge minion for an aggro finisher is important to the health of the meta. But really, how many more years are we going to be able to put up with hearing "Leeeeroy Jenkins!!!" right before we die? It's a classic card, with amazing flavor. I appreciate everything this card is... but I think it's time to send him out of Standard.
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With the new year announcement just around the corner, what are everyone's predictions for which cards get sent to the Hall of Fame this year?
My predictions:
Divine Spirit and/or Inner Fire - this should have happened last year
Edwin VanCleef - it's time for Rogue to stop being able to steal wins with an early Edwin. This card is used in too many Rogue decks, and I feel a change is needed to keep things fresh.
Leeroy Jenkins - I'm torn about this. Leeroy I have a love/hate relationship with. Having a Charge minion for an aggro finisher is important to the health of the meta. But really, how many more years are we going to be able to put up with hearing "Leeeeroy Jenkins!!!" right before we die? It's a classic card, with amazing flavor. I appreciate everything this card is... but I think it's time to send him out of Standard.
What about Mind Control Tech? God I loathe that card.
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I think hall of fame prediction threads should be banned, or at least have their own category in the forum so we don't have to see them. They alwasy offer up the same cards, with the same sub-par reasoning.
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I don'T see the point about Edwin. There's a neutral 3-mana counter with Owl. We don't remove cards just because they occasionally win games.
I also don#t bet on Leeroy, he's essential for aggressive decks to have enough reach. If an aggro deck takes over, it's usually not Leeroy'S fault
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Mind control tech please
Didn't they announce that there will be no HoF or balance changes coming up?
They said no balance changes before the next set. HoF is still likely.
Generally, they only resort to Hall of Faming a card if is is either an overused Neutral (Azure Drake, Ragnaros the Firelord), limiting design space (Conceal) or generally unfun to play against (Coldlight Oracle, Power Overwhelming)
With that in mind, I can only really see Divine Spirit, Malygos and [Hearthstone Card (Leeroy) Not Found] being considered. Divine Spirit because of it limiting design space and being an unfun card to play against, Malygos for limiting design, and [Hearthstone Card (Leeroy) Not Found] for being in every aggressive deck.
Of these, I think only Divine Spirit is worthy of being pulled from Classic, as it would allow new options for Priest, which are desperately needed.
Remove Leeroy and decks would just use Reckless Rocketeer, and be only slightly worse.
I think they've learned to build round Malygos to an extent that it's no longer a problem.
If you don't like them, then don't click the link, and don't add your completely useless 2-cents to the conversation. The thread was meant to start a discussion and theorize what changes might be coming. If you don't like someone's "sub-par reasoning" then add something to the discussion instead of trying to derail the discussion by being insulting.
Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it needs to be banned. You have the option to not read it.
I'm hoping we're getting a Classic overhaul.
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I apologize if I sounded rude, that was not my intent. I do think that my comment does contribute to the discussion by pointing that these HoF threads are always the same, implying that the chosen cards are not HoF worthy
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This might be one of those years we dont see any cards being HoF. The meta is healthy, and there's no card that truly deserves the boot to wild.
A few arguments against some entries some have entered;
- Malygos - I think theres an interview done somewhere 1 year back that the reason Malygos didn't get HoF is because the devs believe it allows for creative deck building. Also, the card is hardly broken. It usually requires cheating out to work, and so far the only classes that does this to any consistent degree is rogue and druid. Both are not using Malygos in tier 1-3 now.
- Leeroy Jenkins - We had a forum post on this previously. I reiterate my opinion that Leeroy is too powerful for aggro to lose as a resource, without any significant replacement which will likely just be as problematic. Much better to simply print better taunt minions to counter too many Leeroys than remove it.
- Divine Spirit - I don't like this card, but at the same time priest classic/basic cards are generally crap enough that I dont like the idea of this being HoF neither. A nerf to mana may be a better choice. But if theres going to be a candidate this would be the most likely to be it.
- Edwin VanCleef - Its an all or nothing card for rogue. Its not played easily without risks, and is always under threat of silences and saps. I just dont think its ever an insurmountable problem. It may occasionally be a cheap win, but only if you get the best hand for it, and I think its generally agreed that if you get the best hand possible, you are in a good position to win anyway.
- Mind Control Tech - Hate this card. But lets be honest, its not going to ever be nerfed or removed. Its just too situational. And the going argument is if youre playing right into it then that's less to do with RNG than choice.
- Northshire Cleric - The last unnerfed 1/3 thats arguable the best priest card at the moment. Its be touted before, but I think the devs had said at some point that they think cleric is still within acceptable boundaries.
Attendees of the summit have stated that they have seen the HOF cards already. So it sure sounds like its a done deal.
When it comes to VanCleef, I don't have any problem with him mechanics wise, but the problem lies in how many Rogue decks he is used in and the fact that he is part of the Evergreen set. Just look at HSReplay... at this moment as I'm typing, he is in 15.9% of decks, which makes him the 10th most popular legendary card at this time. The next highest Classic class Legendary is Cenarius in 2.5% of decks. And before Quest Druid came along in SoU, when was the last time you saw Cenarius getting used? None of the other Classic set Class Legendaries are above 1.0% representation. The Classic Class Legendary cards are supposed to be situational at best, popping up in the meta every now and then. When it comes to Edwin VanCleef, he's become a staple that just gets put into almost any Rogue deck. I feel Edwin VanCleef goes against their philosophy for the power level that they want the Classic set to be, thus I think it's time for him to get sent to the HoF to freshen up Rogues in standard.
I don't say this lightly, I love Edwin VanCleef, and I will miss him and still play the shit out of him in Wild, but I really think it's time for something different.
From hsreplay the highest classic/basic card represented for rogue is Backstab, followed by Eviscerate, Shadowstep, and Sap
Eviscerate and Backstab would probably get the kick if we follow that line of logic. Nearly every deck plays those cards, but we're not seeing much calls for them to be booted.
Its not about removing Vancleef. Its about whats going to replace him and how will that fare in wild. There's just about a place for Edwin VanCleef in nearly very deck, not much for both him and Edmund Cleefvan.
Calls for HoF should, in my opinion, be more than just change for the sake of variety, or for its own sake.
I realy don't get why so many players want to see Divine Spirit to go to the Hall of Fame. I mean i haven't seen that card in play for almost a year now .... at least not since the release of DoD - so i do not see a problem - or am i missing something?
Simply because of future cards and what this card would do? maybe i'm a little sentimental about that card because Priest was my first golden Hero and is my favourite class and maybe that's why i do not see this as a problem.
So far i have no idea which card should be Hof`D ... maybe Backstab - i have to think about that a little :)
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They won't need any HoF this time if they are actually going to overhaul the Evergreen set.
I'm gonna guess at hunter losing some of his staples maybe animal companion or 3 mana hounds as charge gets minimized even more.
Just my 2 cents
Combo Priest was a T1 deck just recently during SoU. That deck was about abusing the Divine Spirit/Inner Fire combo.
The problem is it is the only win condition for Priest, and one that has existed since Vanilla. Not to mention the restrictions to card design that this card creates.
Yes it was a T1 deck - so were others - but right now (since DoD) that card has not seen any play.
Quest/Rezz Priest sees lots of play with other win conditions so i guess Divine Spirit is not that problematic as many think. But i understand if they would HoF it because of future cards but right now i simply do not see it as a problem :)
Even tough i like it i also think Alexstrasza could be a HoF candidate!
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Heres my ideah for hof
Divine Spirit with the power of Inner Fire (whish is also one of my hof noms) preist will be able to cheese games which if you dont have silence cards your screwed its just an unfair combo that ruins preist as a class
Malygos i have nothing against malygos but otk decks exist and malygos is a catylyst of these decks also it limith the experimentation of spell damage cards yes there being made in the expansion but other cards that could have spell damage might've been scrapped by malygos
ive been seriously playing heathstone only this year so i dont know so much about hof and i hope hearthstone will make the right choice
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The problem is not being a tier one deck, it's being a one dimensional cycle fest that essentially breaks cards that would be fine otherwise.
Case in point: Extra Arms. The moment that thing got buffed Priest spiralled out of control because now they had a consistent early game plan and a basically inevitable finisher.
Divine Spirit makes it so Priest can never get any good buff cards, because the moment they do it's the automatic best choice to build around. If Divine Spirit was gone then maybe the ever so fickle tempo priest could be a thing again without having to cheese wins through instant OTKs
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Agreed I would add Malygos
I'm hoping for Mountain Giant , but only for selfish reasons. I don't typically care about having golden cards, but I have a golden version of MG I'm holding in case it ever gets sent to the HoF and I want a free legendary off of that thing!!!
One thing that came up in the "nerfs tease" is that one card from Year of the Dragon would get unnerfed. My first thought was a Shaman card from recent nerfs as Shaman has been in the shitter lately. But if MG rotates, could it be Conjurer's Calling?
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