Heimerdinger

I'm not saying he needs a nerf, or that he's OP, or anything like that. But he is awfully annoying. :P

What champs do you find very annoying even if they aren't actually broken.

I am struggling mightily against any half-decent SI player, and looking for some general advice on how to approach them.  I've tried to take various approaches against SI decks adjusting for previous ways SI players have beaten me, and it's gotten to a point where I'm losing a majority of SI games one way or the other.  

A major part of the problem for me is trying to "play around" Vengeance and Ruination primarily since I've gotten burned by either building powerful units to see them wiped away with a 7 mana fast spell.  Also, finding myself falling behind by holding onto big units, trying not to overextend myself in the mid/late game (knowing that they can drop a Ruination once I've gained control), as they are amassing & building up units through value plays like Ravenous Butcher or Chronicler of Ruin + The Undying/Cursed Keeper, Shark Chariot, and Barkbeast, etc.  

Most of my wins vs SI are with Noxus/Ionia hyper burn, applying as much pressure as I can early and hoping my early draws win me the match in the first 6-9 rounds which isn't fun or gratifying.  Sometimes I'll simply disregard the existence of Ruination, hoping the other player doesn't draw one and get away with it but I lose a lot of games this way too.  

Any input or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.  

So I recently started playing on mobile. I’ve enjoyed the game, but I want to get some better champions. I’ve earned a few champion pods, but it keeps upgrading them to champion wildcards. Are there any sure fire ways to unlock champions? Can I use wildcards to buy new ones?

I know it can be beaten (mainly by shadow isles ... ). I know there's way around it.

Still, why is such a toxic mechanic in the game? Wether it's op or not (I personally think that buffs are the main problem in terms of those decks being op), playing against mass elusives is EXTREMELY boring, anti-fun and generaly just toxic.

Even if you play the perfect counter deck, if they draw the right buffs at the right time, you'll lose,  no matther what you do. I just played a game where my opponent played Solitary monk on 3 and buffed it +9/+9 with triple Take heart on turn 6 after blocking 1 of my attacks. Unless you play instant  removal from Shadow isles (Vengeance, which would still be a stretch on turn 6) or some gimmicky spells like Purify or Noxian Guillotine, there's is no way you ever ever win that game as any decks even if you play and draw perfectly. 

A mechanic LITERALLY based around avoinding any kind of interactions with your opponent should NEVER be a viable part of a card game.

Priest's new identity has been out for a while now but I haven't seen any decks that focus on this very much so far. Therefore I tried my hands at it myself, the result being this: 

(Edit: lol, I just realized there are no "new identity" cards in there but Power Infusion. But yeah, the spirit is there. The deck revolves around healing and buffing our minions.)

Buff Priest

Wild · Unknown Priest · by anchorm4n · 6 years, 1 month ago

• 0 Forbidden Words x 1
• 1 Cleric of Scales x 1
• 1 Disciple of Galakrond x 2
• 1 Embalming Ritual x 1
• 1 Reliquary of Souls x 1
• 1 Renew x 2
• 2 Dragonmaw Sentinel x 2
• 2 Faerie Dragon x 1
• 2 Grandmummy x 1
• 2 Penance x 1
• 2 Sethekk Veilweaver x 2
• 3 Apotheosis x 2
• 3 Breath of the Infinite x 2
• 3 Dark Prophecy x 2
• 3 Dragonmaw Overseer x 1
• 3 Holy Nova x 1
• 4 Fate Weaver x 2
• 4 Power Infusion x 1
• 5 Chronobreaker x 1
• 5 Time Rip x 2
• 7 Galakrond, the Unspeakable x 1

6,460 Dust 725 0 Copy Deck Code

The idea is to get out cheap minions early and buff them with spells and heal to outvalue our opponents. In my eyes the dragon package and Galakrond are especially debatable. I added the first mainly because of Breath of the Infinite. While the invokers are great and really do their job, I'm not so sure about Galakrond himself. I have yet to play him in a game and really would have needed him only once but didn't draw him in time.

Sethekk Veilweaver and Dark Prophecy are the powerhouses of this deck. If you manage to drop Embalming Ritual on a veilweaver or Reliquary of Souls, our opponent usually gets in trouble. 

So far I have played the deck on ranks 3 and 2 platinum with a win rate of around 50% over less than 10 games. I've beaten a Tempo Demon Hunter and lost to a Galakrond Rogue only through highroll RNG on his side.

So maybe this deck is actually viable, but as I know that I'm no good at deck building, I was hoping for some ideas from you for improving it. What do you think?

If nothing else, it was fun to build something up from scratch that actually seems to work for a change.

I would find it really useful to have a way of identifying the expansion of a card on the hover. Currently the only place I can see for sure is of I'm on a deck page. I can inspect the anchor to see what the CSS class is. I know that OoC has the icons, and the cards have a different design(?). What I'd like is a page with a helpful overview of the OoO icons (and card designs) that I can reference?

Hi there, you can call me Glen (not my real name) but that doesn’t really matter at this point.

Anyways, I decided to make this post so hopefully Riot could see it (whether it gets to that point who knows), but I think my point is very sound and hopefully, people will agree with me and Riot will actually consider this change.

To make a header, this post is directed at one main balance problem I have about this game - the randomness of who starts with the attack token first, and how the player who does not start with it IS NOT COMPENSATED AT ALL. They are simply at a disadvantage.

First of all a bit about my background with TCGs - I’m in my 30s, and have played TCGs since I was 10. I’ve played many TCGs, and at a very skillful and high level - I have competed at National level tournaments for World of Warcraft TCG (this is before Hearthstone), Magic the Gathering, Legend at Hearthstone, Highest level online cups at Faeria, and I’ve literally dabbled in every TCG game ever made. I was even the state champion for a TCGplayer.com event for Magic the Gathering one year. Now I say all this not to yank my chain, but to make a point - I know TCGs very well, and I know how they work at the core, what is fair and what is not fair, and what eventually drove me away from playing TCGs. I am not some random uninformed person moaning about something.

Now I”ve played LOR quite a lot - I daresay go to say, it is my favorite TCG of all time. That is ssaying A LOT. That means Riot has done a lot right- it has incorporated a lot of my favorite elements from all the TCGs i’ve ever played. Hell, I didn’t think I would play TCGs anymore because I got fed up at some game-breaking RNG factors that entail a lot of them. The spell mana bank is great - it allows you to stay in the game even if you miss your 1 or 2 drop cards and you don’t have them to begin with. I like the increased CARD DRAW because it means RNG is LESS of a factor, because you simply have more options per turn (and so does your opponent). No more getting screwed bc you didn’t draw enough lands like Magic, obviously - something Hearthstone spearheaded a while ago. A LOT of things done right- and I’ve had a LOT of fun playing this game because it was so very highly dependent on player choices. Except for one big thing that is really starting to turn me away.

You see, I am the type of player that doesn’t like to lose because of RNG. I study matchups, I study cards, I know all the cards, I know all the scenarios, I typically make as many right decisions as I can. I don’t like to lose because i happened to not draw the right card or bc RNG threw me a curveball. In fact I quit a lot of the TCGs that I spent hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars on bc I got fed up at that. And I fear that, if this balance change is not addressed - it will drive some of LoR’s most passionate players away. Because this game is touted as a “played skill above all” game - it is not advertised like Hearthstone, which is known and does not even try to hide the high level of RNG present in their game. It considers RNG as part of the “fun”. Sure, it is fun if you like RNG. But I think I, and many other players who REALLY like LoR, are drawn to it because you win your games PRIMARILY on skill and when i say PRIMARILY I mean a much higher number than 75 or 80% skill and 20% luck. Yes RNG is always SOME of a factor in card games, this is unavoidable as the nature of the card game, but in this game, its supposed to be VERY minimal. Even the RNG card design is aimed at to be “not all RNG” but RNG based on player choices - take the Allegiance keyword or say “Make it Rain” etc etc as detailed in Riot’s blog post.

Now I am primarily an Aggro player or midrange player, I do not typically enjoy playing control, though I can very well play it and actually play it very well. But aggro is my goto style. And because of that I noticed a glaring unequality in the fact who starts with the attack token first.

This inequality is really easily visible for aggro decks and for players using cards(mainly champions) who have QUICK ATTACK. See, quick attack is garbage on defense but GODLIKE on offense. Sure, nothing wrong with that. It’s the design. But hear me out (and i might be a little unclear in how I describe it) - certain champions with quick attack get a HUGE advantage, especially if theyre an aggro deck, when you get to play them RIGHT ON CURVE. And since you can’t play Allies with banked spell mana - it comes down to a complete RNG factor - did i start with the attack token this game, did I drew my bombass champion (Zed, Miss Fortune main culprits I see here), Drawn or Katarina lesser culprits, even Elise who gets to attack on curve turn 2 and get that free spider. And THERE IS NO compensation for the player who doesn’t start with the attack token, and I think there should be.

I played many Zed aggro mirror matches, and basically, the guy who goes first with the attack token - all things being equal, meaning all players making optimal decision - he will almost always win if he gets the attack token first and plays the Zed on attack turn 3. You can’t actually counter Zed easily unless you have a Mystic Shot type card and THERE AREN’T REALLY MANY CARDS OUT THERE that can do that. And you can’t block him, not on turn 3 really - very few cards capable of blocking and coming out on top. He’ll get that free 3/2 shadow and hit you in the face for 3 even if you sac one of ur guys to chump block and basically… he’s coming out WAY on top just bc he happened to start with the attack token first. I’m literally playing mirror matches with BETTER CARDS drawn than him sitting in my hand, and a Zed sitting in my hand - but because I CAN’T ATTACK on turn 3, he wins the aggro race bc you almost CANT block Zed that early. So I play my Zed turn 4 and attack but by then it’s too late - i’ve already had to sacrifice a unit to keep him from leveling up or just taking the dmg to the face and I’m WAY in the deficit. And this is all not because I got outplayed, but because he happened to start with the attack token first which is a COMPLETE RNG factor.

But not just talking about Zed, there are many champions who really benefit from having their turn line up right when they need to attack - Take Draven, or Miss Fortune, Jinx, yasuo - if your turn lines up, say T3 for Zed, Drvaen or Miss Fortune and you HAPPENED to start with the attack token - you get a BIG bonus and basically a free attack which is HUGE for aggro players. This is most prominent with Zed bc not only do they have to chump block you but even if they do, they still take some damage from the shadow. Jinx Yasuo on turn 4- free attack basically. You get the idea. It’s easier to deal with the more turns there are in the game when said champion is played but the RNG factor if you get to play these champs RIGHT on curve is just so game winning. And it would be OK, but here’s the thing - why is there no compensation for who doesn’t get to attack first? For instance, Hearthstone does this right- they give the turn 2 player “The Coin”. But in LoR, theres no such thing- the second turn player just gets to be at a clear disadvantage. Yes its not AS OBVIOUS in some deck matchups, like in control, its not as obvious but when you’re playing aggro? Or playing AGINST aggro? It makes A WORLD of difference.

Basically, I feel that the second player should be compensated somehow for not getting to attack first. The player who gets the attack token first is LITERALLY a turn ahead sometimes, just because… they get to attack one turn earlier than their opponent! And combined with certain cards and champions and keywords THIS. IS. DEVASTATING. It is not fair.

Now I haven’t thought about the specifics of how to balance this but I do know this - something should be done about this if ya’ll pride this game on being “skill above all” because I”ve lost so many games as aggro and against aggro because I was not able to be on curve with my attack lineups. For instance hearthstone has the coin for the t2 player, I’m sure something could be thought out for LoR.

Thank you for listening to me, and I’d love to hear your opinions on what ya’ll think - if you support me, or disagree - and if you disagree, how do you think making it completely random who attacks first with no compensation for the T2 player balanced?

Hei, folks! So I've had this idea for quite some time (and was actually inspired by Aviana and [Hearthstone Card (Kun the Forgotten King) Not Found] in Hearthstone) and wanted to see what other people think of it. Quick disclaimer: I barely play any ranked, so I can't exactly tell how broken the combo actually IS. I just want to start a discussion about an idea I've had.

So, there are 2 ways problematic cards are dealt with in card games, depending on the medium. In physicals CGs, if a card is problematic, it is either limited to a smaller number than usual, or outright banned from play. In a digital CG, it is nerffed anywhere from 'more reasonable power level' to 'completly unplayable' (RIP, Warsong Commander). This is all fine (for the most part) when only one card is the problem, but it feels a lot worse when a only a certain combination of cards is broken, like is the case here. Is it fair to punish one or both cards, in the process potentially killing them in any other decks?

But I think there's another way. What if instead of banning/nerffing any of the cards, you instead banned their combination. Simply declare any deck that runs both of them invalid. (you'd also do this in a digital CG, since changing the cards only when those two are around would be too confusing)

What do you think? Is this a viable alternative to banning/nerffing? Or is it too convoluted?

Competition Theme: Archaeological Deck

This week we're taking a leaf out of Rafaam's book this week and messing with our opponent's deck!

• You must create a card which interacts with your opponent's deck in some way
  • Some existing examples include Void Contract, Weasel Tunneler, Bad Luck Albatross, Deathlord, Mischief Maker, King Togwaggle and Gnomeferatu.

Cards which simply force the opponent to draw, like Coldlight Oracle, do not count.

Devizz wants us to mess around with the opponent's deck this week in any way you can think of!

As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.

Competition Phases

Here are the phases of this card design competition

• Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Apr 27 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sat, May 2 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
• Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, May 2 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sun, May 3 16:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
• Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, May 3 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Mon, May 4 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
• Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

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The addition of Toss and Deep make a lot of sea monster decks feel unusually powerful thanks to the lower deck sizes in Expeditions, and the addition of "draw from your opponent's deck" cards can hit you twice, first by stealing your resources, then by decking you (again because the deck sizes are smaller in Expeditions).

In MTG, it's very rare to see any kind of mill type strategies be powerful in limited because they typically only work with a large combination of mill effects. Many of the Runeterra self-mill and enemy-mill cards are fairly efficient on their own, leading to what I think is a worse drafting experience.

It's obviously too early to call for a nerf to any cards (especially because I actually think a lot of these cards/interactions are fun in normal play), but I wouldn't be shocked if rebalancing the draft pool was one of the first things to come out of Bilgewater.

Having looked up lots of stuff on WoWpedia for the weekly card design competitions, I finally got curious enough to try out the game itself. I have practically no idea what is waiting for me, so I was hoping some of you could help me out with a few do's and don'ts. 

So... first things first: I read the wikipedia article and WoW: Classic looks like a good point to start. Is that correct? I also read there's a 1 month free trial, that would be nice. 

As soon as I have purchased the game, I expect having to choose a character. I guess I'm a damage dealer kind of player (sorry, not sorry) and combat suits me better than spell casting. From what I've read about the fractions, both appeal to me, but the horde is just the cooler bunch. Any tips what to have in mind when I make that choice? 

From there on I'll just see where the game takes me. I get it's a very complex world and I'm looking forward to exploring it.

Any help from you would be very appreciated, especially in regards to the question which game to purchase in the first place since I can't start without an answer to that :D 

I've really been stumped lately when noticing at certain points of the game that both players draw 2 at the start of the round instead of 1. It seems to be completely random (although I know it's not) and I can't for the life of me figure out why or find any information about it. It really screws up my plays sometimes!

I think there should be a new emote "RNG". For when that RNG goes for or against you.

Did your Rotnest Drake drake take out just the right minion? RNG!

So the title is self-explanatory I was playing the current brawl and summoned The Lich King and pulled Arfus out with a Deathlord. Lich king generated 4 cards for me 3 Frostmournes and a Death Coil while Arfus only triggered his death rattle giving a Frostmourne. Which in my opinion is very ironic since the brawl is all about "randomness" so that comes to my main question was this intended like the brawl last week giving us no 1 cost spells if we didn't get them, or was it just really weird odds?

New button in the battle.net ... version sliders

You think it's for PTR ? Or something else ?

Is anyone else just bored with HS? Nothing seems fun to me.. i've done all the things (except stupid OTK combo decks), i've had awesome skipper armor smith combos.  I've played and hated playing demon hunter as well as against.  I have built spell druids, and mages and countless galakrond and singleton decks.  What else is there.  Battlegrounds? oh, you mean the every game is the same formula mode.. nah, pass.   Murlocs, check.  Totem's? yep, face hunter, pass.  Anyone have any spicy things to liven things up in a stale meta?

This is awesome IDK why they didn't had this trailer worldwide, it's really nicely done specially the champion poros :D

also the music is catchy :D

The spell druid decks do well against him.

Budget Spell Druid by Dekkster - Ashes of Outland

Wild · Spell Druid · by Fluxflashor · 6 years, 2 months ago

• 0 Innervate x 2
• 0 Moonfire x 1
• 1 Crystal Power x 2
• 2 Ironbark x 2
• 2 Power of the Wild x 2
• 2 Rising Winds x 2
• 2 Wrath x 2
• 3 Bogbeam x 2
• 3 Fungal Fortunes x 2
• 3 Soul of the Forest x 2
• 4 Overgrowth x 2
• 5 Glowfly Swarm x 2
• 6 Kael'thas Sunstrider x 1
• 7 Exotic Mountseller x 2
• 7 Overflow x 2
• 8 Gift of the Wild x 1
• 8 The Forest's Aid x 1

3,900 Dust 1,888 0 Copy Deck Code

Anyone have suggestions for the other classes?

Hello friends both new and old! Since I got spotlighted, I expect some of you guys are lurking here in the dark for the first time. Thanks for joining in! Today, we will look some demons from other classes other than a warlock or DH.  Demons are my favorite race because they just look so cool. Follow me into the shadows for some fancy fiends.

The link, like always, will be here.

Felsoul Brute By DottyIs0p

First up, warrior. Compare this to Worgen Abomination. One mana cheaper and one attack less. Warrior has always loved abusing their minions. Perfect for NoHands and a nice follow-up to a Risky Skipper or Whirlwind.

Mother Shahraz By meisterz39

Great removal for Priest. 3 for one deal! Pretty straightforward and easy to use. Cast Shadow Word: Death, then destroy some more. Mass carnage with great flavor!

Imprisoned Swamp Imp By RenoLord

RenoLord is back here again! Ignoring the missing comma and period, I like this card. Shamans like their spells. Dormant lets the spell be drawn at a turn which it is needed. The discount helps put expensive spells earlier.

Furious Felcaster By Dermostatic

Some Fate's Hand Mage support. Big cost for also big effect. One Evocation and you can could wipe a lot of minions. This is absolutely bonkers in Wild, they can get spells easily. I would hate to go up against this, but good either way.

Tree Corrupter By Conduit 

Token Druid approves. And so do I! A bit smaller [Hearthstone Card (Treespeaker) Not Found], it can create a minion that your opponent might have to to prioritize due to Druid's ability to fit some cheap buffs in the turn this is played.  Fantastic!

Successubus By JFK

Nice combo with Libram of Wisdom and Hand of A'dal. Cast one of those on this guy and watch your demon grow, grow, grow! You will never say books are bad ever again. I see this as a success. Absolutely

Lurking Vilefiend By Orrien

As a rogue who plays a minority, secret n' stealth, I see this as an efficient card. Stealth is cool and Lifesteal makes it even better. Ashtongue Slayer, which is a great card no matter what Regis said, can power this and heal your face for 7. Shadowstep makes it even better.

Honorable Mentions:

          By Phoenix                       By ZardozSpeakz                  By TheHoax91                      By Cheese

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Hey all! I really appreciate the collection manager, it's great being able to see just how expensive these decks are (or aren't!) to me.

I was wondering, is there any way I can clear my collection? It looks like some of the card data for me is wrong--I have multiple copies of most legendaries, and I might have other problems too. Since JSON import is working fine for me, I feel like the simplest thing would be to just erase my entire collection, then re-import the collection fresh from HSReplay.

Thanks much for your help!

I want to put my feelers out there about connection issues.  Has anyone been experiencing a lot of disconnects recently?  This isn't a salt thread, I'm wondering if there is a server issue with Blizzard or something else going on that I am not privy to knowing yet.  I started noticing it happening yesterday evening, but it's been really bad today.  I have only been able to play 4 solid games where several others I was DC'd and not able to rejoin. Anyone else?

This feels like something of a perennial issue with Legends of Runeterra, seeming to emerge despite any/all balance patches through the beta, but there seems to be a real balance problem across the regions. (Note that I'm taking the https://lor.mobalytics.gg/meta-tier-list tier list as my source of truth here.)

On the surface, the games balance seems pretty reasonable - each region shows up in at least one S or A tier deck, and there's a decent array of archetypes available to players. But three regions dominate that tier list: Shadow Isles, Ionia, and Piltover & Zaun. Together, they show up in some 87.5% of meta decks. And it's not hard to see why - SI and P&Z have access to good card draw and damage based removal, SI and Ionia have access to healing, P&Z and Ionia have access to useful aggro tools with Elusives and Direct Nexus damage. This was true throughout the beta, and remains true today despite Rising Tides.

Every other region feels like it's just playing a supporting role to these three, which are doing all of the heavy lifting for defining the metagame. The result is a lot of less exciting deck-building choices, and ultimately less interesting match-ups because you end up running the same "SI Control" package to make any control deck, etc. Many champions (e.g. Lux) end up feeling like a worse version of some other "meta champion" (in this example, Heimerdinger) because of the added burden of being outside of one of those "meta regions."

https://prnt.sc/sc0jbb

How to win against dumb shit like that?

i'm just constantly looking for something interesting to play as the game has gotten kinda stale as of late. it would be nice to see some decks that aren't all a week old on the homepage

https://www.game.tv/tournaments/Let's-LoR-The-world--26098fcb14f745acb6dd30dccf416b93