But logic suggests that the rule applies until it is not possible: once you complete normal legendaries, there are still legendaries left in the pool (golden), so the rule can still apply.
My bad if that's actually wrong.
That's not true, but I can see how it can be confusing. There's this thing streamers do if they have all the legendaries in the set and a stack of unopened packs, which is dusting the legendary they want in golden so that any legendary they open will be guaranteed to be the one the dusted (since it's the only one missing). This way, if they happen to roll a golden legendary, it'll be one they want... though more often than not, they'll just be opening the same plain legendary over and over again
Playing wow for the first time! I just wanted to experience the crowded servers, building community and explore the world. Maybe even encounter some characters from HS, that i love!
I picked an ork warrior but i allready regret being mele... Can‘t reach the boars quickly enough.
I doubt i ever will get to the point of playing raids and stuff but who knows
I don't know if you're playing classic or retail, but in any case, warrior is notoriously slow to level so it's not a good beginner pick. If you don't think you'll get far into the game as warrior, know that you can try other classes
Warrior is top dog though in Classic which is a great carrot for when things get tough with the class =)
Yeah, warrior is a powerful class but it requires a lot of patience when leveling. The process might be tough enough to drive new players away, especially when they don't know how big the carrot is
That said, if a newbie warrior can persevere to dungeon diving levels, they'll probably get a lot of tips and support from everyone because there's never enough tanks
Oh damn .. Well so be it then. I‘m level 10 by now and don‘t want to go through all this stuff again just yet. But since i have no real goals, leveling slowly is totally fine. Running around for quests 90% of time anyway
I‘m talking about classic by the way.
As mentioned above, be sure to look forward to those dungeons. You're almost there! As a warrior, you're guaranteed to be popular, so just let your group know you're new and they'll probably accommodate
Maybe because "aggro" priest performed extremely well at high levels whereas most "OP" aggro decks were only good at lower ranks and not tournament play. This could be something related to how they evaluate their stats because we know most nerfs are stats based
Jesus ... if you don't like something, that's fine. But that's no reason to wish everyone who do like it to a terrible time
It's like a standard only player wishing everyone quits wild because every game is big priest causing Blizzard to shut down the entire game mode. That's the kind of thing you'd hear on HP. We're OoC, we're better than this. It's okay for people to like different things
Playing wow for the first time! I just wanted to experience the crowded servers, building community and explore the world. Maybe even encounter some characters from HS, that i love!
I picked an ork warrior but i allready regret being mele... Can‘t reach the boars quickly enough.
I doubt i ever will get to the point of playing raids and stuff but who knows
I don't know if you're playing classic or retail, but in any case, warrior is notoriously slow to level so it's not a good beginner pick. If you don't think you'll get far into the game as warrior, know that you can try other classes
I've been playing Jade Quest Shaman with Eater of Secrets instead of Kezan and without Healbot (double Lifedrinker though) and I don't think it's a good matchup. Even with healbot, the issue is most frequently both completing the quest before you die (you essentially have to get both Sludge Slurper and Cable Rat in order to do so in time) and, above all, controlling the board. You can Antique Healbot all you want but they're not really spending that many spells burning you down, they just beat you up reoeatedly with minions and nothing you play sticks. Secret Mage has an absurdly fast early game while Quest Shaman barely does anything impactful until turn 4. Once they start landing their Crystal Runners and Cloud Princes, all you got is a hope and a prayer that you've had your Hagatha's Scheme in hand from turn 1 and that the secret they have up isn't Counterspell (cause you don't really have that many cheap, throwaway spells, nor the time to play them). My Jade Shudder Shaman has been doing very well a day or two ago and over the entirety of its existence it has lost exactly one game to Warlocks (and I play against them all the time, so that's an amazing statistic), but Paladins (mech handbuff, Flying Machine variety) and Secret Mages started appearing a lot more now and keep holding me down. My Mage winrate with that deck is tear-inducing, despite beating up on Reno Mages.
I've been building my jade quest shaman the other way. That is, making it faster in attempts to prevent the early chip damage and threaten lethal myself sometimes rather than take damage and try to heal it after. I find that a lot of mages even at high ranks are wasting burn on my scary minions. My winrate has been fair, but like I said earlier, I'm looking for something that counters mage a bit harder
The typical secret mage hard runs 3*4+6*6=48 points of direct face damage, not including variable explosive runes damage. Even druids and reno decks are going to struggle out healing that amount of damage, especially considering that their secrets are preventing you from reliving minion pressure easily. I suspect the control strategy of trying to turtle up might not be the best way to beat them. If you really want to go with this line though, I suggest adding Doomsayers as most lists run two Mirror Entity and otherwise healing for 7+ is not bad
Priest and warrior are classes to look at. A lot of the mage minions have a 3 HP statline and those classes have great ways of dealing 3 along with the ability to play a tempo game with well statted minions. Zilliax should be an inclusion in any deck trying to beat mage as it lines up well, heals for a bit and somewhat deals with runes
Eggs might be another thing to look into because of their interaction with mirror entity and runes, though egg based decks are pretty sketchy in a competitive context. I've tried to test out a bit of egg priest. It absolutely stomps control mage and beat the one secret mage I queued into but amount of losses I racked up vs other classes told me beating mage (which I haven't gathered enough data to suggest it does yet) wasn't worth it
Normally when a deck is super popular, I take a look at the stats but in this case ...
Looks like it wins its worst matchup is almost 60% of the time, which is hilarious. This is a 41k sample size, so it's not some kind of fluke. I've played a few decks that have been fair against mage, but those are by no means counters. If anyone figures out how to do it reliably, I'd love to hear about it too
As others before me have already said, OOC is the superior community. OOC is like a distilled version of every Hearthstone forum out there, since most of the great and interesting members from Hearthpwn migrated here. As a result, there are very few salt/whiny threads and more interesting and intelligent discussions, as well as excellent feature articles on the front page, which I think is a paradise for those who love this game (like me). Forum activity could be better, but I have no doubt that will improve over time.
The worst forum I've ever visited has to be the one on the official Hearthstone website. Nothing but toxic complaints, whining, and "old man yells at cloud" threads. It's a hell filled with jaded, bitter, and angry HS players raging against the small indie company we know and love.
C'mon dude... "The superior community"? Don't you think that's too much? No offense, but your post sounds pretty arrogant and condescending... No forum community is superior to other, just different. What you could see as interesting and smart, others could see as boring and shallow. Different tastes and personalities create different perspectives, that's all.
To be honest, from my point of view, most threads and articles here on Out of Cards are extremely boring, with a considerable amount of posts made by people totally afraid of not being accepted by others. Such a thing creates an unnatural and fictional enviroment hard to digest for those of us who usually prefer honesty over false kindness. But that is just my opinion. The fact you seem to enjoy this forum more than me doesn't make it better or worse than the others, just different, as I said previously.
Everything is relative, always remember that. ;) ;) ;)
One is all serious discussions whereas the other is a chaotic, angry mess. Of course you would like the latter better :P
I do not think the lack of angry posts here is a product of people being afraid to express their emotions though. We still have a working salt thread. It's just that people here know that there's no point in making a thread just to vent about how much they dislike something because there's no actual discussion to be had. No one ever replies to those with anything meaningful. Unless you were referring to some other aspect of this community?
People still get pretty emotional here if you exclude the whole top level rant threads thing. Case in point, you've still managed to stir up shit just fine. People still get pissed off when I tell them why their theorycraft is not going to be competitive or why their personal experience is bad advice or why Blizzard will never do what they want it to or why their collection management is only good for destroying dust/money. There are still players who have hate, or at least no empathy for Spikes others who enjoy the game differently than themselves. It's far less common than it is on HP, but it's there if you look hard enough
I've been playing a more tempo oriented list with slightly less jades/value and having great success with it as well. I haven't tried your list but mine does fine against burn mage with only 1x kezan and 1x laotheb. Getting on board early and preventing the chip damage is generally how you beat tempo mages since they run few minions and fewer board control tools
Do you mind sharing your list? I am curious to see how it looks. And gratz for your success.
Looking at my decklist now, it appears that I may have lied lol. It's not "slightly" less jades/value, it may as well be a different archetype of shaman that happens to also run quest. WR vs mage is still not bad, but it's probably because of archetype changes rather than specific cards
Congratulations on reaching legend too. If you're still interested in developing your deck, I've found that Zilliax may be a good fit in the current meta. Mage plays a lot of 3 health things, so it lines up wonderfully and it's good for disarming explosive runes. It's also not as useless as secret techs against other things
Most of the core community moved to OOC when the admins changed. A number of people stayed on HP because they didn't like how OOC looked (still the deal breaker I hear from many HP-only users. Please do light mode soon so we can grab them!), but I suspect the majority of people stayed simply did so because they don't use the forums enough to even know what was happening between the two sites at all. Generally speaking, people who don't use forums often are more likely to lack forums etiquette and thus make shitposts and other less than constructive posts more often
It might also be a matter of passion. People who are passionate and positive about the game are more likely to make constructive and positive posts. Sharing good posts and posting often makes you more likely to bond with the community. If you just make garbage posts, the community will react negatively, you will get a negative experience and you obviously won't bond with the people shaming you (you might even hate them). Anyway, people who were passionate about the community and the admins who held it together were more likely to migrate to OOC
I was worried at first when I heard HP was staying up, because it means the community here is going to be smaller. Looking back on it now, maybe it was a blessing in disguise to shed all those problem users. The entire recent posts page over there is usually user after user complaining about certain decks and raging for more nerfs
I've been playing a more tempo oriented list with slightly less jades/value and having great success with it as well. I haven't tried your list but mine does fine against burn mage with only 1x kezan and 1x laotheb. Getting on board early and preventing the chip damage is generally how you beat tempo mages since they run few minions and fewer board control tools
I'm not running evolve packages anymore since the release of the quest due to lack of space but pre-SoU, I was running Krag'wa, unstable evolutions and corridor creepers. Krag'wa + unstable is insane value that can last entire control games and most battlecry minons are good targets even if you don't have your creeper. It's also tons of fun
By the way, why are you running devolve over hex? For slower decks like yours, isn't 2 more mana not a big deal? Even though Big Priest is super rare right now, devolve still gives them a big drop if you use it on their pulls (I gave my opponent a walking fountain once). I can't imagine what match devolve would be better for. Druid maybe? I personally haven't seen a single one in the longest time though
There's a surprisingly dynamic meta in this brawl. At low wins you've got players who don't know what they're doing, as usual. Up your MMR a bit more and you into the full tempo decks with their mechwarpers, cannons and murlocs like shaman. Once I got here, I noticed a lot of the power cards are 3/3s or just 3 HP, so I made a control priest with a ton of well fitting AOE. This was working great until I reached an higher MMR where people were playing slower (even some control) decks with bigger minions and my AOE didn't line up well
I guess the next step is to play OTK decks. I saw a pretty cool hunter one on the way up: Mechwarper, corpse widow, boar, sn1p-sn4p
Extra Arms was unplayable at 3, Priest was the worst class in HS for a long time, now it has a tier 3 deck, I really don't understand this nerf, they are trying to cancel the class or what?
The deck actually exceeds the winrate of control warrior (the overall best winrate deck) if you filter stats by legend ranks only
IMO, it doesn't deserve a nerf even so. It has a low play rate and win rate at low ranks, thus it isn't a frustrating menace for casual players. As for high ranks ... don't we all want to more skillful games in tournaments and high ladder? This new priest barely had any time to see tournament play... when was the last time we saw priest in a tournament, much less an extremely high skill cap one? :(
Except that even heroic mode which doesn't award cards was super easy, especially when compared to BRM or Nax
Reaching legend, of course
You lost 50 gold because Blizzard decided to give you a free pack instead
Wow, sucks to be you /s
That's not true, but I can see how it can be confusing. There's this thing streamers do if they have all the legendaries in the set and a stack of unopened packs, which is dusting the legendary they want in golden so that any legendary they open will be guaranteed to be the one the dusted (since it's the only one missing). This way, if they happen to roll a golden legendary, it'll be one they want... though more often than not, they'll just be opening the same plain legendary over and over again
I recently drafted 2x Octosari in rogue. Because I got them early in the draft, I drafted the rest of the deck to be super light and aggro
Yeah, warrior is a powerful class but it requires a lot of patience when leveling. The process might be tough enough to drive new players away, especially when they don't know how big the carrot is
That said, if a newbie warrior can persevere to dungeon diving levels, they'll probably get a lot of tips and support from everyone because there's never enough tanks
As mentioned above, be sure to look forward to those dungeons. You're almost there! As a warrior, you're guaranteed to be popular, so just let your group know you're new and they'll probably accommodate
Maybe because "aggro" priest performed extremely well at high levels whereas most "OP" aggro decks were only good at lower ranks and not tournament play. This could be something related to how they evaluate their stats because we know most nerfs are stats based
Jesus ... if you don't like something, that's fine. But that's no reason to wish everyone who do like it to a terrible time
It's like a standard only player wishing everyone quits wild because every game is big priest causing Blizzard to shut down the entire game mode. That's the kind of thing you'd hear on HP. We're OoC, we're better than this. It's okay for people to like different things
I don't know if you're playing classic or retail, but in any case, warrior is notoriously slow to level so it's not a good beginner pick. If you don't think you'll get far into the game as warrior, know that you can try other classes
Hating on netdecking in a netdecking website LUL
Too bad the queue time is hours long and by the time I can get in there, I would have used up all my time earmarked for gaming lol
What are you guys rolling? :)
I've been building my jade quest shaman the other way. That is, making it faster in attempts to prevent the early chip damage and threaten lethal myself sometimes rather than take damage and try to heal it after. I find that a lot of mages even at high ranks are wasting burn on my scary minions. My winrate has been fair, but like I said earlier, I'm looking for something that counters mage a bit harder
The typical secret mage hard runs 3*4+6*6=48 points of direct face damage, not including variable explosive runes damage. Even druids and reno decks are going to struggle out healing that amount of damage, especially considering that their secrets are preventing you from reliving minion pressure easily. I suspect the control strategy of trying to turtle up might not be the best way to beat them. If you really want to go with this line though, I suggest adding Doomsayers as most lists run two Mirror Entity and otherwise healing for 7+ is not bad
Priest and warrior are classes to look at. A lot of the mage minions have a 3 HP statline and those classes have great ways of dealing 3 along with the ability to play a tempo game with well statted minions. Zilliax should be an inclusion in any deck trying to beat mage as it lines up well, heals for a bit and somewhat deals with runes
Eggs might be another thing to look into because of their interaction with mirror entity and runes, though egg based decks are pretty sketchy in a competitive context. I've tried to test out a bit of egg priest. It absolutely stomps control mage and beat the one secret mage I queued into but amount of losses I racked up vs other classes told me beating mage (which I haven't gathered enough data to suggest it does yet) wasn't worth it
Normally when a deck is super popular, I take a look at the stats but in this case ...
Looks like it wins its worst matchup is almost 60% of the time, which is hilarious. This is a 41k sample size, so it's not some kind of fluke. I've played a few decks that have been fair against mage, but those are by no means counters. If anyone figures out how to do it reliably, I'd love to hear about it too
One is all serious discussions whereas the other is a chaotic, angry mess. Of course you would like the latter better :P
I do not think the lack of angry posts here is a product of people being afraid to express their emotions though. We still have a working salt thread. It's just that people here know that there's no point in making a thread just to vent about how much they dislike something because there's no actual discussion to be had. No one ever replies to those with anything meaningful. Unless you were referring to some other aspect of this community?
People still get pretty emotional here if you exclude the whole top level rant threads thing. Case in point, you've still managed to stir up shit just fine. People still get pissed off when I tell them why their theorycraft is not going to be competitive or why their personal experience is bad advice or why Blizzard will never do what they want it to or why their collection management is only good for destroying dust/money. There are still players who have hate, or at least no empathy for Spikes others who enjoy the game differently than themselves. It's far less common than it is on HP, but it's there if you look hard enough
That entire big pause before Reno activated I was waiting for someone to realize there were duplicate bombs in the deck. Missed opportunity :P
Looking at my decklist now, it appears that I may have lied lol. It's not "slightly" less jades/value, it may as well be a different archetype of shaman that happens to also run quest. WR vs mage is still not bad, but it's probably because of archetype changes rather than specific cards
### Quest jade
# Class: Shaman
# Format: Wild
# Year of the Dragon
#
# 2x (0) Zap!
# 1x (1) Corrupt the Waters
# 2x (1) Sludge Slurper
# 2x (1) Tunnel Trogg
# 1x (2) Devolve
# 2x (2) EVIL Cable Rat
# 2x (2) Jade Claws
# 2x (2) Novice Engineer
# 2x (2) Questing Explorer
# 2x (2) Sandstorm Elemental
# 1x (3) Zola the Gorgon
# 2x (4) Jade Lightning
# 1x (4) Kezan Mystic
# 2x (4) Lifedrinker
# 2x (4) Thunderhead
# 1x (5) Loatheb
# 1x (5) Zilliax
# 1x (6) Aya Blackpaw
# 1x (9) Shudderwock
#
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Congratulations on reaching legend too. If you're still interested in developing your deck, I've found that Zilliax may be a good fit in the current meta. Mage plays a lot of 3 health things, so it lines up wonderfully and it's good for disarming explosive runes. It's also not as useless as secret techs against other things
Most of the core community moved to OOC when the admins changed. A number of people stayed on HP because they didn't like how OOC looked (still the deal breaker I hear from many HP-only users. Please do light mode soon so we can grab them!), but I suspect the majority of people stayed simply did so because they don't use the forums enough to even know what was happening between the two sites at all. Generally speaking, people who don't use forums often are more likely to lack forums etiquette and thus make shitposts and other less than constructive posts more often
It might also be a matter of passion. People who are passionate and positive about the game are more likely to make constructive and positive posts. Sharing good posts and posting often makes you more likely to bond with the community. If you just make garbage posts, the community will react negatively, you will get a negative experience and you obviously won't bond with the people shaming you (you might even hate them). Anyway, people who were passionate about the community and the admins who held it together were more likely to migrate to OOC
I was worried at first when I heard HP was staying up, because it means the community here is going to be smaller. Looking back on it now, maybe it was a blessing in disguise to shed all those problem users. The entire recent posts page over there is usually user after user complaining about certain decks and raging for more nerfs
I've been playing a more tempo oriented list with slightly less jades/value and having great success with it as well. I haven't tried your list but mine does fine against burn mage with only 1x kezan and 1x laotheb. Getting on board early and preventing the chip damage is generally how you beat tempo mages since they run few minions and fewer board control tools
I'm not running evolve packages anymore since the release of the quest due to lack of space but pre-SoU, I was running Krag'wa, unstable evolutions and corridor creepers. Krag'wa + unstable is insane value that can last entire control games and most battlecry minons are good targets even if you don't have your creeper. It's also tons of fun
By the way, why are you running devolve over hex? For slower decks like yours, isn't 2 more mana not a big deal? Even though Big Priest is super rare right now, devolve still gives them a big drop if you use it on their pulls (I gave my opponent a walking fountain once). I can't imagine what match devolve would be better for. Druid maybe? I personally haven't seen a single one in the longest time though
There's a surprisingly dynamic meta in this brawl. At low wins you've got players who don't know what they're doing, as usual. Up your MMR a bit more and you into the full tempo decks with their mechwarpers, cannons and murlocs like shaman. Once I got here, I noticed a lot of the power cards are 3/3s or just 3 HP, so I made a control priest with a ton of well fitting AOE. This was working great until I reached an higher MMR where people were playing slower (even some control) decks with bigger minions and my AOE didn't line up well
I guess the next step is to play OTK decks. I saw a pretty cool hunter one on the way up: Mechwarper, corpse widow, boar, sn1p-sn4p
The deck actually exceeds the winrate of control warrior (the overall best winrate deck) if you filter stats by legend ranks only
IMO, it doesn't deserve a nerf even so. It has a low play rate and win rate at low ranks, thus it isn't a frustrating menace for casual players. As for high ranks ... don't we all want to more skillful games in tournaments and high ladder? This new priest barely had any time to see tournament play... when was the last time we saw priest in a tournament, much less an extremely high skill cap one? :(