Depends on your draft, generally when on coin, your best recovery turn is turn 3, where you can coin a 4-drop into another 4-drop, or something akin to that.
There isnt really an easy answer to this question, there is a lot of variables in any given matchup: your deck, number of wins for the current game, what you have in your hand, what you have in your hand compared to your deck, who is your opponent, what cards are in the arena pool (what to expect), your experience etc.
For the time being, I'd like to echo Demon's advice that everybody should check the Discussion Thread and start communicating with other people to avoid these situations
While that would have been the ideal scenario, not everyone has the time, nor wants to participate in the discussion, even just skimming through what could have already been thrown out there. And that is fair. Yes, it can result in a bad cases of seeming plagiarism, but we cannot avoid that sadly, and thankfully, the community so far has been honest enough that those cases are extremely rare.
If we for example were to make it mandatory that you had to look through discussion thread for what others already came up with before you submit, i think that could potentially discourage ppl from submitting, which would in the end hurt the competition as a whole.
If we see an increase in ppl seemingly copying ideas of others, there will be steps taken.
Thanks for the feedback guys, i will go with Eagle Eyes ;-) Btw, I still believe that the information you get from seeing your opponents hand is quite significant, even tho some ppl dont think so. We've had various effects that let you "peak" into opponents hand or deck, but those were mostly on a minion that would put you back in terms of tempo. I think that if we ever get a minion with a good on-curve stats, it might actually surprise us into how many decks could it end up slotting, something like Watchposts recently, many ppl underestimated those too.
Anyway, GL in the competition, here is some feedback from me.
Demonxz95
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No a fan of "halved numbers" effects personally. The art is pretty cool tho, definitely worthy of a custom character.
grumpymonk
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I like Cincaria a lot more, its is cool when negative effects can have a positive outcome for you = activating Outcast effect of a card. Tho you might be little too generous on the stats, dunno.
h0lysatan
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I dont like this too much, could be abused a lot. I suppose the minion itself is pretty weak, but still.
Chicky Chick
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Talon King is a +3/+3 finisher for your board, the downside would rarely matter in a situation you would play this.
Personality Thief: ok, nothing interesting.
Balance Keeper: I like this one a lot! the text should read "Choose One: The next card each player plays costs (1) less; or (1) more.", i think.
YourPrivateNightmare
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I see i have a competition here! :D I dont hate the card, i dont love its permanent either tho.
anchorm4n
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Hell no. I dont like deck/hand attacks, this is a no for me, sorry. The fact you could benefit from it as WL is cool tho.
As for my card, i thought putting it in DOD could work too, might do it in the end, yeah.
Karmin
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Cute card, dont know if i would want to run it tho :D I really hate giving my opponent cards, but most of the time, it doesnt even matter, if it aint contrl vs control.
cydonianknight
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Brightspark Engineer - imho it can just draw a mech, if your opponent doest have one, their loss.
Chaotic Notetaker - the card in a vacuum is cool and the flavor is awesome, but this would help finish WL quest SOOOOOOOOOO fast, on top of Plot Twist already. I dont think it would be a healthy card to have in the game, maybe if it was on a more costly minion? 5+ ?
Wailor
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You have a good idea with the projects, tho im not a fan of secrets, so i dont like 1 and 3 too much. Dynamo Project is kinda cool, not sure i would wan Shaman to have access to a card like that, but its cool.
linkblade91
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I like resurrection Project more, its simple and flavorful.
Played Illidari Studies twice and got 2 Kurtrus Ashfallen, they stay in hand at a 2 mana discount. Opponent plays Dirty Rat, 1 gets pulled, the other remains in hand for 4 mana.
I was achievement hunting, so I don't really care, but still, it's a bugged interaction.
I dont think that one is a bug, rather unfortunate scenario. The battlecry makes the opponent summon the minion, so as if they played it.
I have an idea of what kind of effect i want to do, but im not decided on the character. What do you think? I think i like Eagle Eyes the most, Pepe is here just for the LOLz, dont take it seriously :D
Steward of Time nerf will be noticeable, I dont think many ppl use it for the +1/+1, but rather the raw stats you can get from a Tier 2 minion. A 3/3 is pathetic, lots of stuff have 3-Attack, it could usually trade with two things, now it will not do that as often.
I think what HS trackers provide is the best way to do it. You see your deck, and you see what is in your opponents only after they play the cards. So you dont see the entire enemy deck, just a "reminder" of what you have already seen. It can help you identify a similar meta decks, but not give you the full rundown from the start. This way, you are only getting the information you already had at any given time, it is just easier to not have to remember it all.
Yeah, this happens when you quote someone and then want to reply to another post without page refresh. This is something that needs to be fixed eventually.
I dusted the 2nd copy to "test what happens", turns out, you cannot revert it, even if you don't confirm the dusting yet, it basically confirms it for you the moment you do. So if for some reason you wish to keep two copies, do not even try to DE one of them :)
That was my main concern too, do you think turning into Hunter with Shadowform could potentially close out games, or do you still run out of steam too fast? You could add stuff like Mind Blasts for more burn, kinda like Kill Commands.
Thanks for this, I will make sure not to reroll my last weekly quest to not get the ranked abomination, Im so happy I can reroll out of that :D Might be only one trying to do the opposite haha :p
Depends on your draft, generally when on coin, your best recovery turn is turn 3, where you can coin a 4-drop into another 4-drop, or something akin to that.
There isnt really an easy answer to this question, there is a lot of variables in any given matchup: your deck, number of wins for the current game, what you have in your hand, what you have in your hand compared to your deck, who is your opponent, what cards are in the arena pool (what to expect), your experience etc.
While that would have been the ideal scenario, not everyone has the time, nor wants to participate in the discussion, even just skimming through what could have already been thrown out there. And that is fair. Yes, it can result in a bad cases of seeming plagiarism, but we cannot avoid that sadly, and thankfully, the community so far has been honest enough that those cases are extremely rare.
If we for example were to make it mandatory that you had to look through discussion thread for what others already came up with before you submit, i think that could potentially discourage ppl from submitting, which would in the end hurt the competition as a whole.
If we see an increase in ppl seemingly copying ideas of others, there will be steps taken.
Thanks for the feedback guys, i will go with Eagle Eyes ;-) Btw, I still believe that the information you get from seeing your opponents hand is quite significant, even tho some ppl dont think so. We've had various effects that let you "peak" into opponents hand or deck, but those were mostly on a minion that would put you back in terms of tempo. I think that if we ever get a minion with a good on-curve stats, it might actually surprise us into how many decks could it end up slotting, something like Watchposts recently, many ppl underestimated those too.
Anyway, GL in the competition, here is some feedback from me.
Demonxz95
grumpymonk
h0lysatan
Chicky Chick
Talon King is a +3/+3 finisher for your board, the downside would rarely matter in a situation you would play this.
Personality Thief: ok, nothing interesting.
Balance Keeper: I like this one a lot! the text should read "Choose One: The next card each player plays costs (1) less; or (1) more.", i think.
YourPrivateNightmare
anchorm4n
As for my card, i thought putting it in DOD could work too, might do it in the end, yeah.
Karmin
cydonianknight
Brightspark Engineer - imho it can just draw a mech, if your opponent doest have one, their loss.
Chaotic Notetaker - the card in a vacuum is cool and the flavor is awesome, but this would help finish WL quest SOOOOOOOOOO fast, on top of Plot Twist already. I dont think it would be a healthy card to have in the game, maybe if it was on a more costly minion? 5+ ?
Wailor
linkblade91
And then you bbcode the regular version. Shame!
I dont think that one is a bug, rather unfortunate scenario. The battlecry makes the opponent summon the minion, so as if they played it.
I have an idea of what kind of effect i want to do, but im not decided on the character. What do you think? I think i like Eagle Eyes the most, Pepe is here just for the LOLz, dont take it seriously :D
Interesting, i dont like the permanent overwrite of opponnent's hero power without a possible counter-play. But could make for some interesting games
Steward of Time nerf will be noticeable, I dont think many ppl use it for the +1/+1, but rather the raw stats you can get from a Tier 2 minion. A 3/3 is pathetic, lots of stuff have 3-Attack, it could usually trade with two things, now it will not do that as often.
Sure, but the point of selling cosmetics is so they are appealing to the customer, they did not hit the mark, in my case anyway.
One of the things that needs to be figured out, before anything like that would be implemented, ofc.
If you get Tickatus with Illucia, you will just burn your own deck lol, or do you mean before it gets corrupted?
I like the animations, but the diamond frame is just plain ugly :(
I think what HS trackers provide is the best way to do it. You see your deck, and you see what is in your opponents only after they play the cards. So you dont see the entire enemy deck, just a "reminder" of what you have already seen. It can help you identify a similar meta decks, but not give you the full rundown from the start. This way, you are only getting the information you already had at any given time, it is just easier to not have to remember it all.
I might actually skip him even for the gold, I don't like the skin too much :/ But great that they are bringing them back one by one ;-)
Yeah, this happens when you quote someone and then want to reply to another post without page refresh. This is something that needs to be fixed eventually.
I dusted the 2nd copy to "test what happens", turns out, you cannot revert it, even if you don't confirm the dusting yet, it basically confirms it for you the moment you do. So if for some reason you wish to keep two copies, do not even try to DE one of them :)
That was my main concern too, do you think turning into Hunter with Shadowform could potentially close out games, or do you still run out of steam too fast? You could add stuff like Mind Blasts for more burn, kinda like Kill Commands.
Not in Wild.
Thanks for this, I will make sure not to reroll my last weekly quest to not get the ranked abomination, Im so happy I can reroll out of that :D Might be only one trying to do the opposite haha :p
Yeah, those are some good additions, and Undertaker does sound like a good idea too.