There has been some confusion surrounding the recent statement from Alec Dawson on the Hearthstone team and it's time to have a dedicated spot for some clarification. Earlier today, Alec tweeted that a note on Edwin rotating this year had missed the patch notes. This lead to the assumption, which includes us, that Edwin would be sent to the Hall of Fame. This is not the case.
- Edwin will be rotating this year.
- There are changes coming to gameplay and easing into playing with a limited collection.
- The Hall of Fame will no longer exist in its current form.
- There is no point in hoarding Edwin. There will be no benefit in doing so.
- Blizzard will announce details in the coming months.
Our bet on most information coming out will be next month during BlizzConline which takes place on February 19 & 20. Here's Alec's full clarification.
Quote From Alec Dawson Also sorry this didn't get into the notes but: Yes Edwin will still rotate later this year and yes we will be reverting the nerf (along with others) at that time.
Want to take a second to clarify our plan for Edwin VanCleef. There are big changes coming to Hearthstone in 2021. We aren’t quite ready to share the full details, but they will be positive changes for both gameplay and the ease of getting into the game with a limited collection.
As one small part of this, Edwin’s time in Standard will come to a close. However, Hall of Fame as it has existed will be no more. This means there is no additional benefit to crafting or hoarding extra Edwins today.
In the coming months, we’ll be sharing some more details about what the changes are and why you should be hyped for them no matter what type of player you are.
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I'm cautiously optimistic about this announcement. The end of the current HoF and changes aimed at "easing into playing with a limited collection" indeed suggest something like a rework of Basic/Classic sets into a rotating core set that would be available to everyone. I think that's great as it gives another way to completely shake up the meta (ideally, this would not be done at the same time as the new Hearthstone year starts, but somewhere in the middle of it) and to create new archetypes that are not based on the same building blocks that we have seen for years.
But most importantly. they can now put actually strong cards into the Core set without the fear that they will dominate forever. Or cards that synergize with the current expansions (for example, some deathrattle support for hunter). Because right now, the power level of the Basic and Classic sets is -bar a few exceptions which we have all seen a million times - laughably bad. And there is pretty much no other way, or it would forever dominate all archetypes (hence the nerfs/HoF of many evergreen cards).
Of course, a lot depends on the execution. Given recent experiences, some skepticism is justified as well - but overall, I'm happy to hear this.
Classic rework we know, but rotating core se ti still heavly doubt. I think its more likyl just get abunch of weak replacements an that evryone egts and that serves as new core set
Minor nitpick:
The Dev didn't say there's no point in hoarding Edwin. He said there's no point in hoarding extra Edwin's. Not sure if that was just him being loose with his language, but if not, it's not the same thing. Just saying.
Well, my best guess is they might change the basic set to consist only of the most essential cards for each class (Shadow Word: Death, Execute, Fireball, that kind of stuff), cards that should not need banning or nerfing in the future, and then they throw everything else into rotation, i.e. classic will essentially disappear. I sure hope they don't intend to just throw the stable base of the game away only to selectively reprint cards when they feel like it. Cause as a Wild player I sure as shit ain't looking forward to reopening cards I already have in a new expansion.
I really hope they come up with something really cool. I love this game, but its way too expensive for what I am getting...
A scary announcement
It sounds like - HoFed cards won't be playable, also u won't get a refund, because we are too greedy for that.
Dunno why you're flagged as negative (I hate this reddit system, people should argue why they disagree instead of down voting). Their changing the HoF so people can't hoard dust from them, I netted, what felt like 10k crafting golden odd cards when the Baku/Genn set got rotated out. I think HoF cards will still be playable though, they can't be that dopey.
Kudos for saying the exact same thing in my mind. We'll just have to see.
This is a very VERY scary announcement. Many old players like me could keep up with the game precisely because every year we had a large payday of free dust from a bunch of HoF cards. If that goes away, then we will be forced into buying packs or accept falling behind. THAT would be a much bigger blow to me personally, than the initial iteration of battle pass.
That's why he also added: In the coming months, we’ll be sharing some more details about what the changes are and why you should be hyped for them no matter what type of player you are.
Just relax and wait, you can start being worried once they announced everything (most likely during Blizzconline)
Relax and wait? Have you been around last year?
EVERY TIME there is a change, it's in our worst interest. Battle pass, rewards, new modes, always motivated by greed.
From now on, reacting as soon as possible, because - and save my words on this - blizzard will try to screw us from the get go.
The battle pass was the perfect incarnation of that:
- present by e-mail a test on battle pass to see some reaction
- people freakout with the model, say "it's just a version, not the definitive thing"
- implement an even worse/greedier version
- be silent for a month, A F#$%ING month
- after that, implement a battle pass that is what should have been the first version, but since they released such a crap one, it seems great by this time.
No, no wait and relax!
I mean, what else do you want to do? Complain about something you don't even know about?
Besides that:
-the implemented battlepass version was better than the one from the survey
-they were NOT silent for a month. They made posts explaining their intentions(Including that their intention is to give more gold/non gold rewards) and made smaller Adjustments before the final one.
- the xp discount for the rewards track was planned to be given out during the Christmas event. So even the base version of the Battlepass wa s objectively better than the old system. People just couldn't realise it because Blizzard didn't communicated the event xp well enough.
Show us on the doll where Blizzard hurt you, and where they forced you to treat a game like a job instead of like a light diversion.
Sure. Duplicate protection on all rarities, free Battlegrounds, battle pass actually giving more rewards than therewere before... everything is in players worst interest.
Seeing now the last announcement regarding HoF and classic set changes, I just know we are about to lose dust.
But keep that confidence up, I wish I could!
You really live up to your title.
Rant warning.
I'm probably the only person that's sad about Edwin leaving standard. An early giant Edwin is no fun for the opponent, and I agree that a class probably shouldn't have a card that can be played in virtually any Rogue deck until the end of time. But say what you want, I like Edwin both as a character and as a card, so I will about losing him.
That said, this does allow Blizzard to be a bit freer when creating combo-related cards. Cards like Foxy Fraud and others that may not have made it into Hearthstone were probably held back due to Edwin.
As for him "rotating", but not getting hall-of-famed... I don't understand, and I suppose we won't until we have more information about it. I can imagine a few scenarios as to what this may mean:
I just hope cards mentioned will actuyl eb roatted and not get the powerword shield treatment and be made itno really weak cards so they can then keep priniting a new one evry 2years or evry yea
My guess is they will have a basic set that may change each year and a classic set that WILL rotate each year.
basic cards may or may not change yearly, you just get them anyway they're all free (as long as you've reached level 10 in the appropriate class)
if you own a classic card thats going to rotated out you'll still keep your card but get the "REPLACEMENT" card free . If you already own the replacement card you'll get the crafting essence value.
The question each year will just be whether a card is staying in classic or basic or leaving to wild, and what the replacement card will be for each change.