Looking for a good post-nerf deck that isn't Hunter or Paladin

So Rush Warrior has been doing very well, you can just pull the best list off of HSreplay.

There's also apparently this new Tempo Mage deck making the rounds that's sort of a minion-based Spell Damage deck, but on HSreplay it still shows up under the regular Spell Damage MAge which has abysmal winartes because the most popular build is garbage while the new one actually has a positive WR.

Clown Druid is still around and is basically unchanged.

If you want statistically powerful decks you're gonna have to wait until Thursday for the VS Data Reaper report.

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Or Token Druid. 

 

None of deck list sites have updated post nerf deckslists.

 

Please don't derail this thread.  Thanks.

Rush warrior looks like one of the strongest decks in the game. I'm not posting the list here for you though. Given you are a big brain player who likes to belittle others for the decks they play,  surely you can find it yourself

Kaladin, my friend, good to see you in a better mood then before. trust me i know the pain of seeing my opponent winning by topdecking. i literally avoid to see if the card they play is the one they topdeck just so i can keep my sanity.

Anyways...on the topic. Rush warrior is good, theres the normal version that u can find on HSreplay and then theres NoHandsGamer version and i fully trust his judgement:  AAECAQcGwN4DxN4D++gDle0DqooEsIoEDLu5A7y5A+LMA93NA6fOA5HQA7PeA7XeA7reA8HeA5HkA5jtAwA=

Usually rush warrior does well against face hunter.

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Theres a lot of versions on control priest, some use yogg and cthun other use maly too, check it out on HSreplay, some just use a lower curve and bet on Fortune teller to stomp ppl out. i personally dont like the inclusion of illucia since u got have the reads on ur opponent just use some other stuff

Report back tomorrow with your results. good luck

sad to hear that. just gotta keep your chin up no matter what. better said than done, but being busy helps. Hope u find a favourite deck soon. good luck

Midrange Demon Hunter has been working out really well for me, I have a 67% winrate with it so far. I've been playing it to get that 1,000-win DH portrait (currently at 937 wins). It feasts on Warlocks and Priests, and does really well against the mirror match or any other Deathrattle DH. I haven't faced that many Secret Paladins, but I went 3-1 against them. Hunter is 50-50.

Game plan is to just out-tempo your opponent and always get in some damage every turn, which has always been the Demon Hunter way. Chop down their health until you can hit them with your Illidari Inquisitors as your finishers. It's a fun deck if you like midrange, and it's a pretty fair deck all things considered. 

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Ok so Hunter is the deck to beat.  What beats Hunter?  Everyone - EVERYONE  - is playing Hunter.  I don't want to play Hunter. 

Most decks beat Hunter. It's just polarizing as fuck.

Priest in general and obviously Rush Warrior do a good job. JUst don't pick a deck without tempo or healing

Secret Paladin, Libram Paladin, Rush Warrior, Control Priest, Gibberling Druid and Miracle Priest have positive winrates against hunters. If you don't want to play Paladin or Druid, choose either Rush Warrior, Control Priest or Miracle Priest. If you consistently lose with Priest against Hunter it's probably a piloting issue. Keep practicing and reflecting on your games and try to watch videos of the match-up (Grandmasters is currently going on, try to watch some Priest vs Hunter games there).

Untrue. Its not auto win cause u need to know how to play it. Ive been playing face hunter for 15 matches and faced 3 control priests and won them all. Played a bit with priest faced 2 aggro hunters and won cause i kept healing every turn BUT mainly  cause i know the hunter deck which allowed me to play around and predict their moves. 

Honestly playing the decks u need to beat and even hate is the thing that everybody needs to do cause u learn everything about it and it becomes easier to defeat it. In the meantime try rush warrior.

EDIT: This is a reply to Kaladin about priest. Don't know why it appears as a reply to Erodos

Just play Battlegrounds it's more fun and less stress. Just another boring meta that they don't feel the need of shaking up.

BG's is fun yes. Only one problem tho. its not a card game, its an autobattler, and we are talking about HS card game here. I know they included BG's in the same program as HS but its a different game mode despite what ppl say. its an entirely different game genre

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what is actually good against paladin?  it seems like there are a bunch of iterations going around, each one extremely strong.]

edit: okay what beats big druid?  im in an endless cycle of decks that beat whtever im playing.

 

Most decks that can easily remove single targets are good against paladin. Warlock, priest, and secret rogues are some common decks. Paladin is very predictable, which is also its main weakness.

Big druid is beaten entirely by itself. Mostly if they don't Overgrowth on 4, you're in for the win. If they draw the nuts, your only counter play is to pressure their life total so you can burn them to death, or to put enough minions so their predictable set of minions are easily removed, like Lake Thresher and Twilight Runner or Strongman

But ultimately, the best advice I can give is the same as the other commenters have given. There is no deck that beats everything, but there is also no deck that cannot be beaten. Priest vs controlock is probably the most skewed but even I managed a winrate near 50%. Learn the decks, and learn your chosen deck well. The best deck is usually the deck you're most comfortable with.

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as soon as i switch i mostly face hard counters.  im not really comfortable with any of these decks, and furthermore the number of them that are actually enjoyable to play is zero.  priest has approximatley a million healing, warlock draws infinite healing in the end game, hunter kills you on turn 5, druid either has turn 1 8/8 or turn 6 a million/a million in stats, paladin cheats out everything asap and has the strongest possible tempo play on every turn, and rogue and warrior are completely dead. 

ultimately this feels like roulette.  pick a deck, and pray to god you dont queue into hard counters. 

I often experience that too whenever I play a new deck; the first few opponents I face are hard counters. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but it is frustrating. The trick is to just keep playing through it. Think of the first few games as some sort of practice run, and eventually the game will give you some reasonable matchups.

On another note, I played the Midrange Demon Hunter deck again yesterday and went 9-2 with it. It's just absolutely rolling through everything in the D5 ranks, whether it's Priest, Warlock, Mage, Hunter, and even other DH decks. My only losses were a Secret Paladin that I misplayed against, and an OTK Demon Hunter that somehow pulled off his combo on turn 7. I'm not facing that many Paladins for some reason, which is a good thing. Try it out. 

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no joke, every time i get 2 or 3 stars, i queue into nothing but hard counters and am back to zero stars pretty much instantly.  how well i play literally does not  matter.

i woudl rather uninstall than play aggro or DH, no offense

So would I so do it. When people tell me to "just play rez priest lol" I tell them to fuck off too.

If you dont like the way the game is right now then just take a break until the miniset comes out and see if that changes anything. 

Kaladin, Rush Warrior is seriously Tier 1. good midrange deck, that can fight off aggro.

its seriously hard to beat priest with it, but overall i think whatever the deck u choose, u need to take into consideration a few things.

first that learning a new deck u gonna take a few losses specially this rush warrior,  after u learn the ins and outs u also need to know about ur opponents deck.

Lastly when u change decks its only natural to have a few losses or face counters. problem is u cant just jump decks and then say ur facing counters, u need to stick with one good deck and play it even if at first u lose.

and u cant have a negative mindset not to mention that naturally all decks have counters, so theres no one deck beats all, and just cause of X deck loses to Y it doesnt mean u shouldnt be playing it.

actually rush warrior has a hard time to beat priest, check out no hands gamer tutorial on it. i dont know what priest deck are u talking about that cant deal with it. and my guy if u understand counters then why are u jumping decks and complain that u get them all the time? 

kaladin, my advice would be to find a deck that you enjoy playing and if there aren't any decks that you enjoy playing now, then it is perfectly all right to stop playing for a bit. Hearthstone is a game that's meant to be played for fun and if you're not having fun then it's a good idea to take a break.

What kind of strategies do you enjoy? Do you like minion-based combat? Then I would recommend some version of Rush Warrior. Do you like grindy Control games? Control Warlock, Control Priest. It sounds like you're not a fan of aggro, so I won't mention it.

Again, it's perfectly fine to take a break if you're not enjoying yourself. Hearthstone will still be there when you feel better. If you would allow me to give some small portion of advice, it's that I would hope that you can find some way to stop judging yourself or your enjoyment of the game by whether you win. It's entirely normal to go on loss streaks, even loss streaks where it feels like every opponent draws their best possible cards every turn. It's just part of card games. Losing games says nothing about you as a player. Everyone loses games.

Journey before destination.

I <3 control forever. 

Control Priest has done pretty terribly for me thus far.  It gets absolutely shit on by Tickatus Warlock, which I faced a ton of.  I don't have 3200 dust to make Control Warlock though, and I'm missing a couple cards from the Control Priest list (mainly Lucia).

dont play Priest then and i would not advice Ilucia, its a very hard card to play and i think its a good tech vs TIckatus but its quite hard to know when to play it specially cause u want to get the uncorrupt version which is very hard to do with the mana available.

control isnt very viable right now in standard. not sure about wild. control warlock is the one that exists alongside priest.

maybe try OTK DH?  not control per se of course but ya know it has its moments

I definitely feel your pain with regards to not having the dust to craft the "good" cards in a deck. Tickatus is definitely a bugger right now for any control deck to face. I haven't tested a lot of Control in the current meta, but have you thought about including sticky deathrattle minions like Cairne or a big value minion like Ysera the Dreamer (apologies if Priest already runs these, like I said I haven't tested much Control)? I know they aren't going to be incredibly powerful or swing the matchup in your favor, but they could help test the limits of Warlock's control tools and give you a small edge. I find sometimes the best way to get enjoyment out of the game is just to test fringe tech cards--it helps change your mindset from "win the game" to "see if this is any good" and sometimes it just feels good to win with a card your opponent probably didn't expect you to have.

Kaladin - Like many others, I understand your frustration as trying to find a fun deck for my playstyle has been a challenge this expansion...like to the point where I downloaded LoR for the first time after getting tilted from randomly generated outs for the umpteenth time. 

However, things have felt better after the nerfs and I went from running like 4 to 5 tech cards to running a couple, if any (still like keeping Shadow Hunter Vol'jin just for the odd chance of punishing Warlocks).  FWIW, I've been having a lot of fun with the Deathrattle Hunter deck in my signature in the lower ranks (D10 atm), although Maxima Blastenheimer does a lot of the heavy lifting and probably isn't worth crafting if you don't have it already.  OTK Hunter also looks pretty fun/viable but I haven't tried it out yet as I'm still trying to get a Handbuff Hunter and a Kolkar Pack Runner + Blood Herald Hunter off the ground ;D

Wishing you good luck and better match-ups moving forward!

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I definitely feel your pain with regards to not having the dust to craft the "good" cards in a deck. Tickatus is definitely a bugger right now for any control deck to face. I haven't tested a lot of Control in the current meta, but have you thought about including sticky deathrattle minions like Cairne or a big value minion like Ysera the Dreamer (apologies if Priest already runs these, like I said I haven't tested much Control)? I know they aren't going to be incredibly powerful or swing the matchup in your favor, but they could help test the limits of Warlock's control tools and give you a small edge. I find sometimes the best way to get enjoyment out of the game is just to test fringe tech cards--it helps change your mindset from "win the game" to "see if this is any good" and sometimes it just feels good to win with a card your opponent probably didn't expect you to have.

a 5/5 deathrattle?  And how will that counter a 17/21 with windfury?

I'd love to get a grip of Rush Warrior. I have most of the cards and it's really fun to play, but the few times I've taken it to ladder I've lost. I'd love to get some pro tips from you guys to settle on a list and play it correctly. I don't have E.T.C. or Whatley, but I might craft Playmaker.

I gather this is not the meta for me.  control is legitimately dead and aggro wins, yet again.

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I'd love to get a grip of Rush Warrior. I have most of the cards and it's really fun to play, but the few times I've taken it to ladder I've lost. I'd love to get some pro tips from you guys to settle on a list and play it correctly. I don't have E.T.C. or Whatley, but I might craft Playmaker.

I've always enjoyed the rush warrior archetype so I was glad to see this iteration started doing well. I gave it a shot this weekend and definitely wasn't disappointed.

If you're looking for a good guide I'd recommend the one made by NoHandsGamer (https://youtu.be/WlLYVodFfoA) in which he covers general playstyle, mulligans and showcases gameplay against different decks.

As for replacements; ETC is covered in the video. I'd say Whatley is one of your better draw engines but if you really want you can replace him with something like a Battle Rage. Considering all your rush cards give you the initiative you'll almost always be able to make favorable trades and should be able to get some good draws out of it. Playmaker seems pretty key though. It's one of your snowballing threats and therefore very important.

Alternatively, you could wait two more days and see what kind of build viciousSyndicate come up with.

considering last expansions  i do believe the game is walking away from a control perspective. even the control warrior we had was basically just like this midrange rush but with extra steps, i mean Rattlegore was already being dropped.

control warlock is the only deck that exists right now that has the classic, stall removal and drop big late bombs to close the game including a hero card providing never end 6/6 minion. and also screws with opponents deck with tickatus.

yeah it gets chewed up by aggro hunter but i think thats a good thing, cause usually control cant deal with hyper aggro, only in HS that was available. HS is turning away from that and embracing the old and classic way of control beats midrange beats aggro beats control

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considering last expansions  i do believe the game is walking away from a control perspective. even the control warrior we had was basically just like this midrange rush but with extra steps, i mean Rattlegore was already being dropped.

control warlock is the only deck that exists right now that has the classic, stall removal and drop big late bombs to close the game including a hero card providing never end 6/6 minion. and also screws with opponents deck with tickatus.

yeah it gets chewed up by aggro hunter but i think thats a good thing, cause usually control cant deal with hyper aggro, only in HS that was available. HS is turning away from that and embracing the old and classic way of control beats midrange beats aggro beats control

in other words, pick a deck and roll the dice, hope you don't queue into hard counters.  seems like a very healthy and fun meta.

but every deck has hard counters. this is a system that has thrived in MTG for decades, tho i guess comparing this 2 games isnt exactly fair.

control warlock has a polarizing match spread. there are decks out there that can have a nicely even spread, even with one hard counter. thing is these best decks are either tempo hyper aggro or midrange. those are the ones that have a shot against most match ups from what im seeing.

u need to embrace all archetypes, not just the control variant, or else the game is gonna piss you off. i was once like that, only control always. i decided to play the others and i still enjoy the game.

yes control has a more precise feel to it. not just playing green cards thinking a bit before u play card and open your browser . but alas its what we have, we need to adapt or im afraid that u will never enjoy the game again.

I tried the rogue poison deck on the front page but it gets absolutely demolished by minions paladin.  Is there a new minions paladin list floating around?   i think the idea behind minions paladin is to get super lucky and topdeck insane tempo on every turn.  seems pretty good as you just play the best shit on curve for 5 turns and then make people concede.  sure is a hell of a lot better than a strategy where you have to make informed decisions and play smart.

still looking for a deck that doesn't have 0% wr and isn't paladin hunter or turn 4 18/20 rush warrior.

poison rogue was worse than post nerf mage for me.]

also i dont have 3429304384230582350298023842340340395675-04 dust to craft control warlock.

yes theres a new minions paladin deck that doesnt rely on the secret package. its an aggro tempo based deck

yeah i wouldnt try poison rogue not to mention is basically a buff weapon ignore everything else and go face. i mean they even run cloack of shadows just so that they keep ignoring the match and keep going face, like its the most basic of aggro, in comparison face hunter takes a bit more skill to it at times

anyways, if u have the dust or cards i would say Rush Warrior. its not full on aggro, it has its nuances to learn, especially vs priest since its a bad matchup and it tramples over face hunter if played correctly. it has a very even spread matchup. try it out if u can. 

EDIT: this is the improved version:   

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yeah i wouldnt try poison rogue not to mention is basically a buff weapon ignore everything else and go face. i mean they even run cloack of shadows just so that they keep ignoring the match and keep going face, like its the most basic of aggro, in comparison face hunter takes a bit more skill to it at times

It is worth saying that you can take a deck that works, then switch out a few cards to change its direction to better suit the player's preferences. It comes at a cost to win rate, but you normally still do OK because the core of the deck is sound, and it can make a deck much more enjoyable to play.

In the case of poison rogue, the simple fact they don't usually run Apothecary Helbrim shows there's scope for a slower version that doesn't just smorc. With Paralytic Poison around there's plenty of potential for weapons to be used primarily for removal, you just have to make a deck that wants to do that.

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yeah i wouldnt try poison rogue not to mention is basically a buff weapon ignore everything else and go face. i mean they even run cloack of shadows just so that they keep ignoring the match and keep going face, like its the most basic of aggro, in comparison face hunter takes a bit more skill to it at times

It is worth saying that you can take a deck that works, then switch out a few cards to change its direction to better suit the player's preferences. It comes at a cost to win rate, but you normally still do OK because the core of the deck is sound, and it can make a deck much more enjoyable to play.

In the case of poison rogue, the simple fact they don't usually run Apothecary Helbrim shows there's scope for a slower version that doesn't just smorc. With Paralytic Poison around there's plenty of potential for weapons to be used primarily for removal, you just have to make a deck that wants to do that.

I was trying out this version that was on the front page a couple days ago.

Poison Rogue

edit: I don't like Self-Sharpening Sword so I put in double Oil Rig Ambusher.

nevermind that deck is total garbage

playing paladin now

rip me

good good...GOOD. embrace the darkness, play Paladin. i dont condone it, but i dont approve of it either.

Im playing Face Hunter. ppl call me hypocrite. I have no idea why

i gave up libram paladin after going 0-4 with it.

pretty sure im gonna stop playing ladder until the next meta. 

i think libram paladin dropped its winrate lately mainly cause of the nerfs to penflinger. theres a minion aggro pally and theres a secret version which isnt aggro, is more a midrange type. try it out:

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play 10 to 20 games and report back. Spoiler: its a good deck

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i think libram paladin dropped its winrate lately mainly cause of the nerfs to penflinger. theres a minion aggro pally and theres a secret version which isnt aggro, is more a midrange type. try it out:

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play 10 to 20 games and report back. Spoiler: its a good deck

 

gets completely crushed by rush warrior and face hunter.  can't see this being viable.

25% wr so far.  great deck.

Have you ever considered that maybe you are just really bad at the game and that's why you somehow manage to lose with even the most consistent tier 1-2 decks?

Also, once you're done complaining about how the meta is specifically targetting you and nobody else you can give Priest a try again because they can beat just about everything except for Warlock and OTK DH (which they can tech in Illucia for).

The Kazakus build is incredibly solid and somehow manages to play like the old control decks where you didn't need some unbeatable OTK finisher and could just win by running your opponent out of ressources and then using yours to finish the job.

Also, if you really hate aggro that much you can try the new Hybrid OTK DH variant with Inqiuisitors because the big heals just shit all over them and you can scam wins if you get lucky with Skull. Completely scumbaggery of a deck tho...

If it's possible that I can get to diamond 5 but am actually just really bad at the game, its possible that people just consistently outdraw me and I get as unlucky as I claim.

Paladin is just really bad for me, over 10 games its only slightly better than poison rogue, but at least its not losing.  50% wr over 10 games. 

edit: wr has improved, but I did face some truly rough matchups and bad draws.  i didnt really look at the decklist, i just copied the code, and no lie for the first 3 games I didnt even realize the secret weapon was in the deck because I never drew it.

well according to Tempostorm secret paladin is the best deck. vicious syndicate says its rush warrior. in both face hunter i top tier 2. none of those are control like u enjoy but there are some slower lists for paladin and rush warrior isnt exactly a "play ur green cards every turn" kind of deck so i do recommend it.

Regardless if u have the cards/dust u should try some variations of control priest, since its the archetype u enjoy the most. it really just loses to warlock, and has a fair chance to every other deck out there. completly shits on aggro unless in some really bad draws once every 10 games or so.

just pls dont say a deck is bad cause your first five games were bad. getting to know ur deck and opponents decks and how u play yours against theirs is a slower process. give it a shot

is it absolutely required that i have soul mirror

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is it absolutely required that i have soul mirror

Not entirely sure about that. Usually Priest is good at generating spells via Scorpid, Renew and Palm Reading, but without Soul Mirror being in your deck there's a chance that some value decks can just push you off the board.

If you're running a Xyrella build you might be able to do without Mirror, but since kazakus is just much better I feel like Mirror might be necessary if you want to improve your matchup spread.

If you're just trying to dunk on aggro decks (that aren't Spell Mage) you probably don't need Mirror.

I decided to go ahead and play a couple of matches with this priest version found on Vicious Syndicate. i believe its the same one that YourPrivateNightmare was talking about:

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It really has that control feel, tho you do get some major spells from discovery interactions. what ive found by playing it was already the obvious one: its main value is Kazakus, incredible to card in the deck cause in conjuction with the other spells u try to keep the board in check while making your own stand on it with the golems. the deck snowballs if u can get an early kazakus into raise dead. getting mankrik early too is good cause apotheosis on the 3/10 is game winning vs aggro decks.

skip the warlock matches altho they might have some trouble at first dealing with an early kazakus but i havent played that matchup so im assuming in general its still horrible match for the priest.

Kaladin, soul mirror is not required at all, specially cause u can discover it, but u might lose some matches where otherwise you wouldnt. give it a spin.

Btw whats your server? NA or EU?

NA.  SilentStorm#192428

oh ok, sadly i only play on EU. was curious to see some of the matches. well good luck, i did enjoy the priest deck, i recommend trying it out without soul mirror and see how u like it and then craft the card if u like the style of the deck and have a nice winrate

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oh ok, sadly i only play on EU. was curious to see some of the matches. well good luck, i did enjoy the priest deck, i recommend trying it out without soul mirror and see how u like it and then craft the card if u like the style of the deck and have a nice winrate

first matchup was the mirror and 5 mankirks was pretty hilarious

edit: although I have to say fuck tickatus.  w/o the 2nd most broken card in the game making your opponent play with 2/3 of a full deck, control warlock would be garbage.

update: control priest is 100% hot garbage, as it only beats meta decks, and loses to a bunch of new iterations of aggro, such as murloc paladin, handbuff druid, and "always draws the absolute nuts" hunter.

why are you guys not talking about cthun druid?  it absolutely DEMOLISHES control priest.  

try again, need a different deck.

just fyi u kind sound as if the decks play themselves. its sounds as if we pick a car and we sit in the passenger seat. no deck is auto lose or auto win. some are stronger than others and it kinda depends on the meta u face, the decks u mentioned i havent seen lately, and today aparently my opponents decided to just run nerfed lunacy mage

been playing priest since gvg, i know it doesn't play itself. 

but you shouldn't be losing 90% with it either.  the meta has changed, need a new deck.   priest gets crushed because people hate it, but for some reason find paladin fun and rewarding.

"its not a new meta" but ive ONLY faced different decks ive not seen that hard counter priest, all day.

began the day at rank 2 1 star, currently at rank 5 zero stars

'not a new meta' and ive just got to play through it.

so, aggro face hunter then?  im getting my ass kicked while playing near perfect priest games. 

edit: 41 games with "control" priest, 39% wr.  terrible deck against all 5 versions of paladin, both versions of druid, both versions of DH, playing 20 cards against warlock sucks, barely contends with rush warrior, is abysmal against aggro face hunter.....what does this even beat?

Control priest. As always priest is the sleeper class, in few weeks we are gonna see priest winrate spike. Control priest beats easily dh, pala and hunter and warrior. Only bad matchup is warlock but who plays warlock.

7/10 opponents are gonna rage quit against this deck, it's hilarious.

its a harder deck to pilot than others so im not seeing it being that much used on the way to legend. on legend maybe it spikes in popularity yes.

so far the decks that worked the best for me was face hunter until diamond 5 and rush warrior  from d5 to legend.

might reluctantly give rush warrior a try.

control priest is just god awful for me, and I'm a long time priest player.   IMO it seems like D5 zero stars is a big clusterfuck of random decks that people try out because they dont care to hit legend and are just trying things out because of the floor, and the real pre-legend meta begins at D4.

I finally gave OTK Hunter a try and piloted it from D10 to D5 using this list and making the recommended changes - subbed Scrap Shot and 1 Scavenger's Ingenuity for 2 copies of Kolkar Pack Runner.  

For me, it didn't play like a true OTK deck but rather a chip them down early and then do 16 - 20 damage via Leoroxx deck (or the reverse with Leoroxx setting up a Piercing Shot and Quick Shot finish the next turn).  It didn't feel overly strong, but still might be worth trying out as a change of pace.

As with any deck, there was a learning curve in deciding when/what to discover and how to prioritize the mulligan (definitely want Freezing Trap vs Rush Warrior and Pack Runner vs Paladin).  I also wasn't sold on Zixor or the remaining copy of Ingenuity so there's room to personalize and someone in the comments suggested 2x Imprisoned Felmaw which makes sense based on my experience with the deck.

I'm not a fan of grinding the ladder, but if I play any more I'll be trying out this Legend Egg Hunter list that looks pretty fun.  However, I'm cautiously optimistic about its competitive viability as it looks like the OP farmed Warlocks during his climb and those have been less common for me atm (would've loved to run into it more as OTK Hunter farmed them too!).

Deathrattle Demon Hunter has been doing surprisingly well for me. I've had a 56% win rate over 32 games, and I've been 6-1 since I traded the watch post package with Chaos Strikes and Burning Blade Acolytes. It's also fun to play, especially when you can string along deathrattle minions with Razorfen Beastmaster and Razorboar. 

STOP DOWNVOTING LEGITIMATE POSTS. GOD DAMN.

how do i play rush warrior, is there a guide somewhere, im losing quite a bit with it

edit: this deck seems ridiculously bad.  can someone recommend me an actually good deck?  thanks.

do you guys lose after 10 minutes of playing or concede immediately if you queue into warlock with rush warrior?

im not sure which is the better play.

i told you rush warrior isnt as straight forward as it seems. thats why i said u might enjoy it cause its not just playing green cards every turn. u need to sometimes time properly your plays and hold onto your cards for a big swing turn. other times just take the board early and keep pressure.

if you want to win with ur brain turned off just play the most popular version of paladin found on HS replay.

Control Warlock is a pretty easy match-up for rush warrior. Just try to set up boards where they have to use their removal inefficiently. No wide boards of 2 health minions, no solitary 3 health minions, no boards where hysteria cleans everything up (this one can be hardest, and requires a lot of practice. Try providing lots of pressure without over-extending.

Rush warrior is an amazingly strong deck, but it can be quite tricky to play. The only truly bad match-up is priest. Instead of just complaining about the deck being bad (it's not), try sharing replays so that we can actually help you.

Regarding Rush Warrior guides, I was reminded of this recent discussion where the OP included a bunch of helpful links in the post as well as the comments.  For example, this guide outlines one player's experience navigating it to Legend with individual match-up breakdowns.

And then the OP linked to a bunch of YouTube guides you might find helpful too:

Old Guardian's Guide

those are some nice links, it explains things very clearly for the deck

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Can we like lock this thread or something already. It's basically becoming a yearly cycle at this point where Kaladin shows up, asks for a deck, and then starts dismissing every single tier 1 deck as 'terrible', 'godawful', etc. because he can't win with them. 

But it's definitely not him, no no. His opponents are just always super lucky to always be topdecking the perfect answer and always having god hands.
It's a broken record at this point.

sometimes, when I stumble over yet another one of Kaladin's "pls end my life" posts, I recall this saying ...

"if it smells like dog poo everywhere you go, you might want to check your shoes."

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Can we like lock this thread or something already. It's basically becoming a yearly cycle at this point where Kaladin shows up, asks for a deck, and then starts dismissing every single tier 1 deck as 'terrible', 'godawful', etc. because he can't win with them. 

But it's definitely not him, no no. His opponents are just always super lucky to always be topdecking the perfect answer and always having god hands.
It's a broken record at this point.

I am legitimately asking for help and clearly frustrated at the outcome thus far. 

Before  you dismiss my comments as exaggerations or refusing to take responsibility for my losses........why don't you spectate a game or two of mine? 

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sometimes, when I stumble over yet another one of Kaladin's "pls end my life" posts, I recall this saying ...

"if it smells like dog poo everywhere you go, you might want to check your shoes."

Can you not?  If you have a problem with me or my posts, message me directly.

Thanks for posting the guides, I'll check those all out.

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Can we like lock this thread or something already. It's basically becoming a yearly cycle at this point where Kaladin shows up, asks for a deck, and then starts dismissing every single tier 1 deck as 'terrible', 'godawful', etc. because he can't win with them. 

But it's definitely not him, no no. His opponents are just always super lucky to always be topdecking the perfect answer and always having god hands.
It's a broken record at this point.

I am legitimately asking for help and clearly frustrated at the outcome thus far. 

Before  you dismiss my comments as exaggerations or refusing to take responsibility for my losses........why don't you spectate a game or two of mine? 

1. Have you ever considered that switching the deck after every other loss or so may actually hurt you more than it helps?

2. Considering the amount of games you've supposedly played, based on your posts in this thread, it's virtually impossible that every single of those losses is solely because you're extremely unlucky. I'd rather not waste my time watching replays of someone who's clearly not willing to listen and/or improve themselves.

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Can we like lock this thread or something already. It's basically becoming a yearly cycle at this point where Kaladin shows up, asks for a deck, and then starts dismissing every single tier 1 deck as 'terrible', 'godawful', etc. because he can't win with them. 

But it's definitely not him, no no. His opponents are just always super lucky to always be topdecking the perfect answer and always having god hands.
It's a broken record at this point.

I am legitimately asking for help and clearly frustrated at the outcome thus far. 

Before  you dismiss my comments as exaggerations or refusing to take responsibility for my losses........why don't you spectate a game or two of mine? 

1. Have you ever considered that switching the deck after every other loss or so may actually hurt you more than it helps?

2. Considering the amount of games you've supposedly played, based on your posts in this thread, it's virtually impossible that every single of those losses is solely because you're extremely unlucky. I'd rather not waste my time watching replays of someone who's clearly not willing to listen and/or improve themselves.

1. I don't switch decks after one or two losses.  I played around 30 games with Control Priest and it was terrible, I've played over 30 games with Rush Warrior and it's at least positive winrate, which is saying quite a bit since I'm still learning the deck.  I do still believe that Hunter is a tough matchup and Priest/Warlock are near auto losses.  So I guess the strength of the deck is just dependent on the local meta. 

2. Sure but neither are these losses purely because I misplay. I am here to improve, whether you think I'm lying or not.  I made some changes, using the nohandsgamer decklist instead another one I was using, and so far it seems to be much stronger. 

i can understand Kaladin frustation, but then i can understand the other users frustation towards Kaladin, because he just straight up called a tier 1 deck bad.

all in all, give time to certain decks specially when they are considered tier 1. I mean yeah sometimes we get shafted hard and Kaladin u will realized the nohandsgamer version of rush warrior, even tho its the best version it will screw u over on some games cause of how limited its draw can be

whats the general strategy vs spell mage?  im running into the problem where they have so much burn and removal that i never seem to gain tempo. 

edit: good morning downvote brigade!  you guys stay classy!

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whats the general strategy vs spell mage?  im running into the problem where they have so much burn and removal that i never seem to gain tempo. 

Mage should be a pretty easy matchup for Rush Warrior based on the few games I played with both decks. Maybe try to keep pressure on the board without overcommitting. Mage has a limited amount of burn, and if they waste all of it on your minions then you should win the matchup. They have no healing either outside of Ice Barrier so racing for health would also be a good idea

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whats the general strategy vs spell mage?  im running into the problem where they have so much burn and removal that i never seem to gain tempo. 

Mage should be a pretty easy matchup for Rush Warrior based on the few games I played with both decks. Maybe try to keep pressure on the board without overcommitting. Mage has a limited amount of burn, and if they waste all of it on your minions then you should win the matchup. They have no healing either outside of Ice Barrier so racing for health would also be a good idea

"based on a few games, this matchup is easy"

 lol okay but when I make claims based on a few games, it's 'can we lock this thread for spam?'

their burn is also tempo (apexis blast), don't forget that. 

i havent played much with rush warrior vs spell mage, but in my experience its a hard match for warrior. BUT looking at the stats its clearly an easy match for warrior, which says a lot about the deck. you really need to know what you are doing, but since i played just a few games it was a total scam for the mage since i recall being on the verge of winning, but they got a good scam out of their secrets and i couldnt finish the game as they got 4 ice barriers and healed up.

its actually been tanking in winrate as i play it more.  maybe face hunter????  maybe control priest?  idk anymore. I dont see me hitting legend.

nevermind, its over.  thanks for the guides

edit: Hello downvote brigade :)

i told you it was a great deck

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i told you it was a great deck

and all it took was queuing into mostly paladin haha

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i told you it was a great deck

and all it took was queuing into mostly paladin haha

Good job! Sometimes you just gotta keep grinding until your luck turns, which it always does ;)