Innervate should be rotated with the addition that it should be un-nerfed. It hasn't seen play since the nerf and I just really miss utilizing it to it's full potential.
Wild Growth, again with it being un-nerfed. Breath of Dreams powercreeps it so hard now and Wild Growth just feels dead. Un-nerfing it would fit in Wild Non-Dragon Druid decks.
Divine Spirit AND Inner Fire. We all know the combo, it's just not fun on the receiving end.
Acolyte of Pain or any other neutral draw engine. Acolyte has been used in many, many decks to the point where it's "almost" an auto-include. Azure Drake was one of the first cards moved to the Hall of Fame, and it was because it was an auto-include in many decks, why doesn't Acolyte get treated the same way?
Big Game Hunter once again, with him being un-nerfed. I can't recall the last time this guy was relevant, even with Embiggen druid on the ladder he's still not seeing play. Unless I'm just not paying close enough attention.
To the surprise of absolutely nobody, Leeroy Jenkins should definitely be moved because of the burst damage. Sure it's a fun card to teach new players the appropriate time to play certain cards, but he's frequently been on people's nerves for way too long.
Alexstrasza because that much burst is not fun. If Leeroy is constantly called out for out of nowhere burst damage, Alex should be too.
Malygos hasn't had THAT much of an impact on some metas. But I feel like he limits design space in a way because of the +5 Spell Damage he has. I have a feeling that there were several cards in production and Team 5 said "Wait, Malgos exists, scrap it."
Mountain Giant is the least likely to be moved to the Hall of Fame due to Valdris Felgorge having just been released, but an 8/8 on turn 4 because your opponent has a full hand, of most likely answers to whatever you're about to play, always feels bad. I know Splitting Image Mage has fallen to the way side since Doom in the Tomb, but it still felt horrible to go up against.
A lot of you will probably disagree with me which is fine, but all of above it just opinionated.
Amalgam never needed to be in this game. I also think floating watcher and cobalt guardian need to be tiered up to 4 star tavern, but I dont think demons are super overpowered, I think they're just super high rolly. Everyone plays demons now since they're so consistent, and if you're the guy that gets 5 floating watchers you're just going to win over the guy with 1 wrath weaver and an imp gang boss.
That’s weird, I’ve been really struggling with the heroic adventures. Maybe it’s because I insist on beating the good side as one of the EVIL classes, and vice versa.
These discussions are always biased by the state of the game at the end of each year, which is why calls for HoF'ing different cards come in and out of 'fashion'. Remember when Gadgetzan Auctioneer was near the top of most people's lists? Right now Malygos isn't a concern for very many people, but it certainly was last year and I could understand them considering him.
The only card I actually see going though is Divine Spirit, or maybe Inner Fire which is possibly easier to justify since priest is naturally associated with health buffs more than attack buffs. DS is probably the bigger limit on design space however, especially since swapping stats is a priest thing and Crazed Alchemist is in the Classic set anyway, so .DS is by far the better target.
Like many other people I'd be quite happy for a complete priest overhaul in Basic and Classic, but what that would mean for the HoF is a little unclear. It may also be something where we have to be careful what we wish for (I don't want a single resurrection card in priest's evergreen sets, ever!).
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't see the need for HoFing anything right now. I do have some sympathy for people wanting to see Leeroy Jenkins, Divine Favor or Malygos gone and I understand their reasoning well enough. I like those cards and their flavor though and my foremost concern is the question what they would be replaced with. I found the last round of substitutes quite awful and I would hate to see such iconic cards swapped with something like those. Imagine Blizzard HoFing Maly and giving us Brightwing instead...
tl;dr: I don't see the necessity but won't argue as long as there are good substitutes.
Preeetty sure Divine Favor is already hall of fame'd.
I agree with the sentiment that nothing really needs to be HoF'd right now.
Amalgam will only be fair if you can't give it divine shield or poisonous. Hence, until that time, he should be kept far far away, never to be mentioned again.
Nerfing soul juggler might be a way to nerf demons, or increasing the tier for watcher.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't see the need for HoFing anything right now. I do have some sympathy for people wanting to see Leeroy Jenkins, Divine Favor or Malygos gone and I understand their reasoning well enough. I like those cards and their flavor though and my foremost concern is the question what they would be replaced with. I found the last round of substitutes quite awful and I would hate to see such iconic cards swapped with something like those. Imagine Blizzard HoFing Maly and giving us Brightwing instead...
tl;dr: I don't see the necessity but won't argue as long as there are good substitutes.
It's that time of year again, in only approximately two months there will be a new year rotation, which will probably bring with it another round of Hall of Fame. What cards do you think will be HoF'd? What cards do you hope will be HoF'd?
I'm actually kinda in favour of HoFing Leeroy at this point. Don't get me wrong, I disagree with the OP - Leeroy really isn't as prevalent as is implied, at least at higher ranks.
But, as has been stated in the past, certain cards restrict the design space because potential new cards would be blatantly abusable. Leeroy, given his stats and charge, certainly fits that description. And removing him would, I feel, allow for more interesting aggro cards to be released (maybe even burn cards, since the automatic pseudo-fireball inclusion is gone).
That said, I'm not particularly fussed either way. Not an aggro player, and never really had an issue with Leeroy except when he's topdecked on an empty hand :P
I think any card that abuses Leeroy Jenkins at this point have already been printed in my opinion.
What other card can be created that abuses Leeroy, not create similar abuses on other cards, and does not already exists currently or in previous metas?
There were those days when handlock can unleash a 20 dmg Leeroy. I think if the plan was to get rid of him it would have already been done.
I disagree, I think having some limited amount of burst damage in neutral/evergreen is healthy for the game. Aggro decks are a necessary component to the balancing act of aggro-control-combo, and without evergreen cards to provide a baseline, it'd just mean more expansion cards have to be printed to fill that void.
I can see the argument for minor nerfing/tweaking, maybe moving him down to 5 damage would be a bit more fair, especially since he does limit the design space for finishers, but I think a card like Leeroy is going to be needed to have aggro be viable for a consistently healthy meta.
Leeroy is popular because charge is dead and most decks lack efficient reach. 6 Damage is realy not that big compared to older times. I remember when 16 Health was the point where mages got scary.
I would argue he get’s boring and repetitive because there are so few alternatives.
No Amalgam. Remove Watcher entirely. Move the 1/1 dude that gets buffed (I can't remember the name dammit) to tier 2.
Cobalt Guardian to tier 4.
The big problem with demons is having 2 synergisticly buffable cards that can easily get to silly levels. I also wish Battlemaster's ability wasn't a Battlecry, of could be reworded.
Playing big, powerful spells MUST have an opportunity cost beyond just the mana expenditure. There MUST be an inherent risk.
Deny is that risk. Any change that obviates that risk is a non-starter. Making it so Deny works only on cheap spells is out of the question.
They do have inherent risk. There's always inherent risk in playing any high-cost card, which is that they have a high probability of being dead draws on any given turn. Even when you've got the mana to play them, there's often other demands on your mana expenditure which can effectively lock them off as options. And that's the only risk they need to have - look at HS as a comparator here. Since Counterspell is pretty telegraphed (and rare), there's no other opportunity cost on high cost spells - and it's not like they're exactly flooding the meta.
Yes. Considering a 7+ mana spell is dead most of the game, might not even really swing the game in your favor when played AND is basically auto-lose when countered by 3 mana deny - there's just no reason to have any such spell in your deck right now. The odds are so much against it.
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This is my hot take on the question.
Innervate should be rotated with the addition that it should be un-nerfed. It hasn't seen play since the nerf and I just really miss utilizing it to it's full potential.
Wild Growth, again with it being un-nerfed. Breath of Dreams powercreeps it so hard now and Wild Growth just feels dead. Un-nerfing it would fit in Wild Non-Dragon Druid decks.
Divine Spirit AND Inner Fire. We all know the combo, it's just not fun on the receiving end.
Acolyte of Pain or any other neutral draw engine. Acolyte has been used in many, many decks to the point where it's "almost" an auto-include. Azure Drake was one of the first cards moved to the Hall of Fame, and it was because it was an auto-include in many decks, why doesn't Acolyte get treated the same way?
Big Game Hunter once again, with him being un-nerfed. I can't recall the last time this guy was relevant, even with Embiggen druid on the ladder he's still not seeing play. Unless I'm just not paying close enough attention.
To the surprise of absolutely nobody, Leeroy Jenkins should definitely be moved because of the burst damage. Sure it's a fun card to teach new players the appropriate time to play certain cards, but he's frequently been on people's nerves for way too long.
Alexstrasza because that much burst is not fun. If Leeroy is constantly called out for out of nowhere burst damage, Alex should be too.
Malygos hasn't had THAT much of an impact on some metas. But I feel like he limits design space in a way because of the +5 Spell Damage he has. I have a feeling that there were several cards in production and Team 5 said "Wait, Malgos exists, scrap it."
Mountain Giant is the least likely to be moved to the Hall of Fame due to Valdris Felgorge having just been released, but an 8/8 on turn 4 because your opponent has a full hand, of most likely answers to whatever you're about to play, always feels bad. I know Splitting Image Mage has fallen to the way side since Doom in the Tomb, but it still felt horrible to go up against.
A lot of you will probably disagree with me which is fine, but all of above it just opinionated.
Battlegrounds' Demons are Strong and Blizzard Says "Things" are Coming to Address Those Concerns
Amalgam never needed to be in this game. I also think floating watcher and cobalt guardian need to be tiered up to 4 star tavern, but I dont think demons are super overpowered, I think they're just super high rolly. Everyone plays demons now since they're so consistent, and if you're the guy that gets 5 floating watchers you're just going to win over the guy with 1 wrath weaver and an imp gang boss.
Dissapointing difficulty
That’s weird, I’ve been really struggling with the heroic adventures. Maybe it’s because I insist on beating the good side as one of the EVIL classes, and vice versa.
or maybe it’s because I suck at Hearthstone lol
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These discussions are always biased by the state of the game at the end of each year, which is why calls for HoF'ing different cards come in and out of 'fashion'. Remember when Gadgetzan Auctioneer was near the top of most people's lists? Right now Malygos isn't a concern for very many people, but it certainly was last year and I could understand them considering him.
The only card I actually see going though is Divine Spirit, or maybe Inner Fire which is possibly easier to justify since priest is naturally associated with health buffs more than attack buffs. DS is probably the bigger limit on design space however, especially since swapping stats is a priest thing and Crazed Alchemist is in the Classic set anyway, so .DS is by far the better target.
Like many other people I'd be quite happy for a complete priest overhaul in Basic and Classic, but what that would mean for the HoF is a little unclear. It may also be something where we have to be careful what we wish for (I don't want a single resurrection card in priest's evergreen sets, ever!).
yeah, the deck loses to pogo hoppers, but it beats just about anything else.
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Divine Spirit please, just get rid of that abomination so maybe Priest can get some buff cards that don't instantly wreck the meta
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Maybe its a problem with the site or my computer but why does spin em up have black lines in the left corner
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Maybe Divine Spirit, although I really think a nerf will do instead of a HoF
Other than that, I think it might be one of those years where there isn't any to HoF.
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omg, yeah, they were awful
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Preeetty sure Divine Favor is already hall of fame'd.
I agree with the sentiment that nothing really needs to be HoF'd right now.
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i think Leeroy Jenkins could be HoF'd, but i hope Nozdormu aka the glitchy boi
Battlegrounds' Demons are Strong and Blizzard Says "Things" are Coming to Address Those Concerns
Amalgam will only be fair if you can't give it divine shield or poisonous. Hence, until that time, he should be kept far far away, never to be mentioned again.
Nerfing soul juggler might be a way to nerf demons, or increasing the tier for watcher.
Battlegrounds' Demons are Strong and Blizzard Says "Things" are Coming to Address Those Concerns
i would love to see elementals or pirates
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This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't see the need for HoFing anything right now. I do have some sympathy for people wanting to see Leeroy Jenkins, Divine Favor or Malygos gone and I understand their reasoning well enough. I like those cards and their flavor though and my foremost concern is the question what they would be replaced with. I found the last round of substitutes quite awful and I would hate to see such iconic cards swapped with something like those. Imagine Blizzard HoFing Maly and giving us Brightwing instead...
tl;dr: I don't see the necessity but won't argue as long as there are good substitutes.
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It's that time of year again, in only approximately two months there will be a new year rotation, which will probably bring with it another round of Hall of Fame. What cards do you think will be HoF'd? What cards do you hope will be HoF'd?
Just sack Leeroy already.
I think any card that abuses Leeroy Jenkins at this point have already been printed in my opinion.
Just some cards on top of my head: Faceless Manipulator, Seance, Grave Rune, Embalming Ritual, Vivid Nightmare, Carnivorous Cube, Shadowstep, Waggle Pick, any minion buff etc.
What other card can be created that abuses Leeroy, not create similar abuses on other cards, and does not already exists currently or in previous metas?
There were those days when handlock can unleash a 20 dmg Leeroy. I think if the plan was to get rid of him it would have already been done.
Just sack Leeroy already.
I disagree, I think having some limited amount of burst damage in neutral/evergreen is healthy for the game. Aggro decks are a necessary component to the balancing act of aggro-control-combo, and without evergreen cards to provide a baseline, it'd just mean more expansion cards have to be printed to fill that void.
I can see the argument for minor nerfing/tweaking, maybe moving him down to 5 damage would be a bit more fair, especially since he does limit the design space for finishers, but I think a card like Leeroy is going to be needed to have aggro be viable for a consistently healthy meta.
Just sack Leeroy already.
Leeroy is popular because charge is dead and most decks lack efficient reach. 6 Damage is realy not that big compared to older times. I remember when 16 Health was the point where mages got scary.
I would argue he get’s boring and repetitive because there are so few alternatives.
Battlegrounds' Demons are Strong and Blizzard Says "Things" are Coming to Address Those Concerns
If they don't remove toxfin yes.
Battlegrounds' Demons are Strong and Blizzard Says "Things" are Coming to Address Those Concerns
No Amalgam. Remove Watcher entirely. Move the 1/1 dude that gets buffed (I can't remember the name dammit) to tier 2.
Cobalt Guardian to tier 4.
The big problem with demons is having 2 synergisticly buffable cards that can easily get to silly levels. I also wish Battlemaster's ability wasn't a Battlecry, of could be reworded.
Battlegrounds' Demons are Strong and Blizzard Says "Things" are Coming to Address Those Concerns
Idc but bring menagerie back
Battlegrounds' Demons are Strong and Blizzard Says "Things" are Coming to Address Those Concerns
I thought there was going to be a 2/1 Amalgam incoming on a future patch?
And if they do add an Amalgam back to BG, it'll weaken demons enormously.
So, how long is Deny gonna stay at 3 mana?
Yes. Considering a 7+ mana spell is dead most of the game, might not even really swing the game in your favor when played AND is basically auto-lose when countered by 3 mana deny - there's just no reason to have any such spell in your deck right now. The odds are so much against it.
Battlegrounds' Demons are Strong and Blizzard Says "Things" are Coming to Address Those Concerns
Amalgam was bane of demons rather than helping all other comps.