I have just went through all of the replays I have. 72.7% of the games I've won I didn't draw or tortolan out the pocket galaxy. In most of them I discovered it early or just won without it.
And of course you know what the consequence of that is.
I started to play this yesterday and so far i am at 15-3. I play it without the Sandbinder because i did not have him and did not want to craft him right now. 2 out of the 3 losses i had happend because of some RnG but it was close.
"No spell" while it runs 2 spells, one of which is in the Top 3 for the most obviously busted cards in all of Hearthstone. All you're proving is that a no spell highlander mage can indeed not be done, since this isn't a no spell highlander mage.
An interesting outcome. I think a guideline for each class is good for the game. We're not talking about a bunch of set-in-stone rules but just a guideline that keeps the variety going.
What I like about the class identity thingy is that it provides the challenge I seek.. Think about a Mecha'thun hunter deck or a zoo priest/warrior. They provide a challenge because of the classes weakness.
Add in infinite card generation for hunter and everybody gets mad. Add in near infinite healing in mage and it singlehandedly wins games.
I gotta agree though that making the guideline public gives trolls and salty players much ammo but hey does it really change much?
Mainly the card is too specific. Many other effects than Taunt are also worth a Silence. Sure, [Hearthstone Card (Shield Breaker) Not Found] is great against Tirion and if you want to go face with something, but that's about it. For just 1 more mana you have Ironbeak Owl with the same stats but no Taunt restriction. And for 4 mana there's Spellbreaker which has a more decent 4/3 body for the added mana cost. It's too niche.
The Shaman quest is probably your best card to work around, as there are a lot of cheap and powerful battlecry minions (especially Lackey's) that work very well with the quest.
You could aslo look in to Trump (the hearthstone streamer/youtuber), he did a great video series on 'basic' decks and how to build them as a F2P player: https://www.trumpfans.com/basic-decks/
Albeit, they're from 2014, so you have to disregard Wild and HoF cards (unless she wants to play Wild), but the class concepts stay relatively the same. So combined with the latest expansions and guides on OoC and in this thread, you should be able to put together a deck that can win games.
Also, once you start winning and gaining gold from quests you can save that for Arena runs and have fun putting together decks/runs there. It also broadens the amount of cards you can play with as you will be able to play with cards not in your collection and/or Wild only cards.
I am running a single copy of Shieldbreaker in a Token Druid and Im very pleased with the results, mainly because it's cheap and can be played along with buffs or board clears.
Another good reason to be running one of these is .... I don't think many people expect to see them.
- Mech Hunter; This meta is full of control and Ctrl Warrior in particular is even stronger. Mech Hunter (thankfully) has mostly died a death now.
Nope. My brawl matches yesterday at 8 wins, 10 wins, 11 wins and 11-2 were all mech (bomb) hunters. Ranks 1-2 when I was there a few days ago was full of bomb hunter. Bomb hunters thrash all kinds of mages and other hunters and those are some of the most popular classes out there right now. Bomb hunter is also faring quite well on HSReplay at high tier 2
It's true that their numbers took a dip after the expansion but I'm pretty sure it's only due to their pilots deciding to try out new things for awhile. There's nothing wrong with the deck's power level itself and it counters the meta harder than ever so it's still a stellar ladder choice if a player is so inclined to play for only climbing
I'm not a Druid master by any means (didn't even know Beast Druid was the most popular non-Token build!), but Crystal Power seems weak and only having 4 spells costing 5+ with 2x Anubisath Defender & 2x Garden Gnome seems iffy too. I also feel like I never see Force of Nature played. However, I have no idea what I want to include...maybe some of the new cards like Serpent Egg and Infested Goblin? We'll see!
Beast based druids were the most successful non-token druids, yes but they were still so bad that you won't be seeing them on ladder unless you're facing a true memer. Most people probably wouldn't know of them
As for this DD submission, I first thought a beast package could be something to look into. That oondasta looks rather sad if you don't pull it first from stampeding roar or if octosari is already played for whatever reason. But the chance of getting Octosari off of witching hour would be really, really bad so I scrapped the idea. Maybe cut oondasta and use predatory instincts instead of melon? A 8/16 rush is only slightly worse than a 7/7 rush and an 8/8 non-rush and a lot better than just an 8/8 rush (and a useless oondasta taking up hand space when your octosari dies)
As you noted, the big spell package looks completely out of place and has serious anti synergy with drawing 8 cards. You want to slim down the curve a lot so you can actually make use of your 8 cards. Typical token druid cards like blessing of the ancients, argent squire, sn1p-sn4p, and other tokeny mechs are fine. There weren't many good new token druid cards printed in SoU except for Temple Berserker
Now the deck just looks like regular token druid with a weird top end, which I guess some might call boring but it sounds like what the author was trying to do anyway. In any case, I think it's the real deal. Ever since octosari was revealed, I thought it would probably be good in some kind of low curve aggro deck. But paladin already has scales and rogue has Myra's. I haven't thought of putting it in druid until now, but I think it's a good fit. Too bad I don't actually have the card to see it myself lol
This week's NFS challenge is to build a Highlander Quest Shaman starting with MegaACE's submission!
He describes the decks as, "Fun zephyrs shaman deck, you draw zephyrs with sandbinder, double its battlecry, bounce zephyrs back to your hand with barista lychen, bog slosher, shuffle more into your deck with banker, play infinte zephyrs with double battlecry!"
I picked this deck because it looked like a lot of fun, but there were a ton of submissions this week so we could easily do a few challenges if folks are NightCrawler's interested.
A couple cards feel forced for the battlecry synergy (e.g. Earthen Ring Farseer instead of say Zilliax), but I'm looking forward to trying this greedy bastard out! :D
I actually saw this one ladder one day. I'll have to test without brightwing because I don't have it, but that's fine because it's one of the first things I'd cut here anyway. Zephyrs alone is tons of value; brightwing would just be overdraw with sudderwock
Nevermind, I'm apparently also missing a bunch of epics and giggling inventor. Normally I'd just replace them with good cards but Sandbinder looks core for tutoring zephy in this instance and I'm not keen on crafting it. I'd probably dump some of the weaker battlecries (fire ele, farseer, piper, maybe twilight drake). Wasp should also probably go because you have running 1/2 the amount of lackeys a normal deck that runs it does, so it won't be active often. I'd add MCT, walking fountain, zilly, mogu fleshshaper (you still have mutate and witchy lackeys), scheme, siamat (he's an elemental). Maybe body wrapper for the memes? idk the pool of cards looks so much smaller when you're only using 1 ofs. I think you want lots of draw to get to your combo stuff but there aren't many good options without duplicates for consistancy
Yeah trying to stick Glinda is often near impossible against most competitive decks unless you're really lucky. And if your deck hinges on that, that's going to be a problem. I've found the best bet is usually one of the Rogue options.
In "Out of Budget" series, all decks I made consists of only Free/Common/Rare cards. Thus, these decks will cost 3000 at most. On average, the decks I made so far cost 2000 dust. So, give them a try if both of you want and I wish both of you a good day.
Why this? Octosari won't be in your graveyard, when you put him over to your opponents side with Treachery? So Octosari will be in the graveyard of your opponent or am I just missing something?
No-Spell Highlander
I have just went through all of the replays I have. 72.7% of the games I've won I didn't draw or tortolan out the pocket galaxy. In most of them I discovered it early or just won without it.
And of course you know what the consequence of that is.
Wild · Highlander Mage · by leberschnitzel · 7 years, 1 month ago
Surprisingly bad decks?
Well i personaly thought Secret Mage would be strong again - sure it´s a decent deck but defenitely not as strong as i thought it would be!
I also underestimetad Highlander Decks like Highlander Hunter - i thought this would be Garbage and not that good but it´s doing pretty good!
Highlander Face Hunter is Rediculous
This deck is bonkers!!!
I started to play this yesterday and so far i am at 15-3. I play it without the Sandbinder because i did not have him and did not want to craft him right now. 2 out of the 3 losses i had happend because of some RnG but it was close.
Very fast and the damage output is huge!
Realy fun and awesome deck!
Looking for SERIOUSLY cheap budget decks.
Whizbang is very good for beginners and free2play Players! so i think it would be a good craft!
Also take a look here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkDkMgrkWvI
A new Video on decent Budget Decks
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Battletag: ThunderFlame#21793
Region: EU
Trade Only?: Yes, you go first
No-Spell Highlander
"No spell" while it runs 2 spells, one of which is in the Top 3 for the most obviously busted cards in all of Hearthstone. All you're proving is that a no spell highlander mage can indeed not be done, since this isn't a no spell highlander mage.
Looking for SERIOUSLY cheap budget decks.
Thanks for all the suggestions everyone! Any thoughts on Whizbang? She has the dust...
Rock, Paper, Scissors - 3 Competitive Standard Decks
It has the two spells that very heavily synergize with minions, indeed.
No-Spell Highlander
it exactly is for that. Or, if Luna's has been drawn and played already, it's a 1 mana 5/5 that draws 3 1 mana cards.
Worst case is that it's a 8 mana do nothing, but then you don't need to play it since you'll probably kill them in the next few turns.
Saviours of Uldum and class identity.
An interesting outcome. I think a guideline for each class is good for the game. We're not talking about a bunch of set-in-stone rules but just a guideline that keeps the variety going.
What I like about the class identity thingy is that it provides the challenge I seek.. Think about a Mecha'thun hunter deck or a zoo priest/warrior. They provide a challenge because of the classes weakness.
Add in infinite card generation for hunter and everybody gets mad. Add in near infinite healing in mage and it singlehandedly wins games.
I gotta agree though that making the guideline public gives trolls and salty players much ammo but hey does it really change much?
Uldum Essentials - Concept Art Spotlight
my favorite is this one:
Why nobody plays shieldbreaker?
Mainly the card is too specific. Many other effects than Taunt are also worth a Silence. Sure, [Hearthstone Card (Shield Breaker) Not Found] is great against Tirion and if you want to go face with something, but that's about it. For just 1 more mana you have Ironbeak Owl with the same stats but no Taunt restriction. And for 4 mana there's Spellbreaker which has a more decent 4/3 body for the added mana cost. It's too niche.
Looking for SERIOUSLY cheap budget decks.
The Shaman quest is probably your best card to work around, as there are a lot of cheap and powerful battlecry minions (especially Lackey's) that work very well with the quest.
You could aslo look in to Trump (the hearthstone streamer/youtuber), he did a great video series on 'basic' decks and how to build them as a F2P player: https://www.trumpfans.com/basic-decks/
Albeit, they're from 2014, so you have to disregard Wild and HoF cards (unless she wants to play Wild), but the class concepts stay relatively the same. So combined with the latest expansions and guides on OoC and in this thread, you should be able to put together a deck that can win games.
Also, once you start winning and gaining gold from quests you can save that for Arena runs and have fun putting together decks/runs there. It also broadens the amount of cards you can play with as you will be able to play with cards not in your collection and/or Wild only cards.
Why nobody plays shieldbreaker?
I am running a single copy of Shieldbreaker in a Token Druid and Im very pleased with the results, mainly because it's cheap and can be played along with buffs or board clears.
Another good reason to be running one of these is .... I don't think many people expect to see them.
How many actual Game Designers visit this forum?
Im also a game designer, currently working mobile games company.
Surprisingly bad decks?
Nope. My brawl matches yesterday at 8 wins, 10 wins, 11 wins and 11-2 were all mech (bomb) hunters. Ranks 1-2 when I was there a few days ago was full of bomb hunter. Bomb hunters thrash all kinds of mages and other hunters and those are some of the most popular classes out there right now. Bomb hunter is also faring quite well on HSReplay at high tier 2
It's true that their numbers took a dip after the expansion but I'm pretty sure it's only due to their pilots deciding to try out new things for awhile. There's nothing wrong with the deck's power level itself and it counters the meta harder than ever so it's still a stellar ladder choice if a player is so inclined to play for only climbing
[Game] Deck Doctor Challenge!
Beast based druids were the most successful non-token druids, yes but they were still so bad that you won't be seeing them on ladder unless you're facing a true memer. Most people probably wouldn't know of them
As for this DD submission, I first thought a beast package could be something to look into. That oondasta looks rather sad if you don't pull it first from stampeding roar or if octosari is already played for whatever reason. But the chance of getting Octosari off of witching hour would be really, really bad so I scrapped the idea. Maybe cut oondasta and use predatory instincts instead of melon? A 8/16 rush is only slightly worse than a 7/7 rush and an 8/8 non-rush and a lot better than just an 8/8 rush (and a useless oondasta taking up hand space when your octosari dies)
As you noted, the big spell package looks completely out of place and has serious anti synergy with drawing 8 cards. You want to slim down the curve a lot so you can actually make use of your 8 cards. Typical token druid cards like blessing of the ancients, argent squire, sn1p-sn4p, and other tokeny mechs are fine. There weren't many good new token druid cards printed in SoU except for Temple Berserker
-2 melon, -2 anubi defender, -2 garden gnome, -2 FoN, -1 crystal power, -1 stampeding roar, +2 temple berserker, +1 sn1p-sn4p, +2 predatory instinct, +2 blessing of the ancients, +2 microtech controller, +1 vargoth (maybe?)
Now the deck just looks like regular token druid with a weird top end, which I guess some might call boring but it sounds like what the author was trying to do anyway. In any case, I think it's the real deal. Ever since octosari was revealed, I thought it would probably be good in some kind of low curve aggro deck. But paladin already has scales and rogue has Myra's. I haven't thought of putting it in druid until now, but I think it's a good fit. Too bad I don't actually have the card to see it myself lol
I actually saw this one ladder one day. I'll have to test without brightwing because I don't have it, but that's fine because it's one of the first things I'd cut here anyway. Zephyrs alone is tons of value; brightwing would just be overdraw with sudderwock
Nevermind, I'm apparently also missing a bunch of epics and giggling inventor. Normally I'd just replace them with good cards but Sandbinder looks core for tutoring zephy in this instance and I'm not keen on crafting it. I'd probably dump some of the weaker battlecries (fire ele, farseer, piper, maybe twilight drake). Wasp should also probably go because you have running 1/2 the amount of lackeys a normal deck that runs it does, so it won't be active often. I'd add MCT, walking fountain, zilly, mogu fleshshaper (you still have mutate and witchy lackeys), scheme, siamat (he's an elemental). Maybe body wrapper for the memes? idk the pool of cards looks so much smaller when you're only using 1 ofs. I think you want lots of draw to get to your combo stuff but there aren't many good options without duplicates for consistancy
Quest Trading - Play A Friend!
Genjipullaaa#2647
Eu
Trade only don't care who goes first
Surprisingly bad decks?
Yeah trying to stick Glinda is often near impossible against most competitive decks unless you're really lucky. And if your deck hinges on that, that's going to be a problem.
I've found the best bet is usually one of the Rogue options.
Fan Creations Tutorial - How to Use HearthCards #1: The Basics
What does POSTVERT command do?
Looking for SERIOUSLY cheap budget decks.
Hey, Pezman. I'm not sure if you and your daughter are playing Wild but check my "Out of Budget" series within my profile. Here are the examples...
Wild · Secret Mage · by Esparanta · 7 years, 1 month ago
Wild · Murloc Shaman · by Esparanta · 7 years, 1 month ago
In "Out of Budget" series, all decks I made consists of only Free/Common/Rare cards. Thus, these decks will cost 3000 at most. On average, the decks I made so far cost 2000 dust. So, give them a try if both of you want and I wish both of you a good day.
[SoU] Mill Warlock
Just a question about your comment
Be prudent: try to play N'Zoth, the Corruptor before Octosari, so you don't get milled too! : D
Why this? Octosari won't be in your graveyard, when you put him over to your opponents side with Treachery? So Octosari will be in the graveyard of your opponent or am I just missing something?
How many actual Game Designers visit this forum?
I'm a game designer at a fairly large company that does mainly mobile games.
The Greatest Dinomancers (aka. 5/5 Dreadsteed Warlock)
Watermelon86,
I think you won the internet with this deck. Good work!
Expired Merchant
In case you are like me and want to know more about how this card works. Check out the discussion below:
https://outof.cards/forums/hearthstone/card-discussion/1352-how-does-discarding-your-lowesthighest-work?page=1#comment-26589
(Big thanks to those who helped me figure out what was going on.)