Competition Theme: Name That Card!

Collectible cards is the name of the game this week!

• You must create a card which generates an existing collectible card
  • Summoning, adding to hand, shuffling into your deck - these all count!
• Your card cannot pick randomly from a subset of cards - it must be specific
  • Power of Creation and Sonya Shadowdancer are examples of cards which would not work this week
  • Ball of Spiders, Imprisoned Gan'arg and Violet Spellwing are all acceptable entries

Wailor wants to see our collections in the competition this week!

As always, I can be reached through Discord or here on the site via PM if you have any issues to report.

Competition Phases

Here are the phases of this card design competition

• Submission Phase: Starts on Mon, Jun 22 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sat, Jun 27 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
• Voting Phase: Starts on Sat, Jun 27 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Sun, Jun 28 16:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
• Finalist Phase: Starts on Sun, Jun 28 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400). Runs until Mon, Jun 29 17:00 EDT (GMT -0400)
• Winner Selected: After finalist voting concludes and we validate votes.

Discussion Thread Rules

No thread rules were added to this season. Please populate and manually edit this thread with them.

There have been some crazy shifts in the tier list since the season of fortune began, with really out of the box decks like Anivia, and Poros creeping into tier 2. I would say at this point that we have effectively hit balance perfection in legends of runterra and you can officially play whatever you want.

https://www.swimstrim.com/runeterra/decks-and-meta

Let's open it up to hear what you guys are playing right now.

I'm a big fan of treasure Nautilus it's gotten me good results against both control and aggro matchups

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THE YEAR OF THE HUNT HAS BEGUN!

Pre-story to the Year of the Hunt:
The continuing story following the event of the Year of the Dragon continues with the city of Dalaran chasing down the lost crimnal who escaped the Violet Hold. After Khadgar and the rest of the Mages of Dalaran took back their city, they've been flying around Azeroth looking for those said criminals, which lead them to Gadgetzan. During their attempts to capture the escaped hooligans across town, Noggenfogger asks for help to remove the Dalaran problem by blowing their home with a custom Mana Bomb crafted by Kazakus. Their efforts were foiled however when Noggenfogger got cocky and invited Khadgar to taunt him. He slipped and Khadgar got the lucky break of it. Now Noggenfogger is on the run and the criminals of Gadgetzan have now begun to disband in the aftermath of their gangs being busted by Archmages who were close to being blown-up. Now Gadgetzan is a new business central in Azeroth and has changed it's city to be more "honest working."

Gadgetzan's Streets:
After the events of Dalaran dismantling the gangs, many of the classes broke into new factions of business to keep themselves afloat, though many of them have pining of old times. In this expansion, Triclass cards return, only each Triclass has a newbie on the block and need to catch up to the other's talents if they wanna move up in the world. This appears in the new Keyword of the Expansion, Learning: 

In this expansion, each Triclass has a single class learning the type of tribe the classes specialize in. Rogues are learning the dangerous and majestic natures of Dragons from Priests and Warriors, Paladins are learning about the wonderous creations of Elementals from Mages and Shamans, and Warlocks are finally treating their Beasts friendlier with the help of Druids and Hunters. Each Learning Class has a single Learn card (Beginner Cards) that can be put into decks that can generate cards of that type from theirs and other classes to help out. Here's an Example: [Hearthstone Card (Beginner Infuser) Not Found] is a card that encourages Paladin to play with their healing ways, but encourages you to build a way to synergize with more than just a few Elementals. Each Learn card in the Learning Class will have the class colors in the corner so you can always know what classes you are taking from.

Now to show one of the Triclasses and their cards. How exciting!

Elemining Mineral Co.
On the edge of town, recent Meteor falls caught the attention of 3 Boomsday experts that wanted to study the rare elements found there, as well as in the underground waterways that the meteors exposed underneath the sands. Kangor and Luna both sought out the rare powers of these elements (Though Kangor had very little experience with Elemental power), causing them to connect with the wonderful Elementals that exist in the Company. Seeing Elementals would be a great help with the business, they offered a co-ownership with Electra to help out with the Underground Rapids. After a year of work, the three took in a child with natural gifts of working with Elementals and decided to make her their successor, creating the Elemining Coal Co. Kangor still struggles to learn about the power of Elementals and their forms and continues to learn from his partners the wondrous creations they have seen and known.

Mage Class Cards: (Theme: Elemental Chaining, Spell Damage Combos, Elemental Control)

Shaman Class Cards: (Theme: Elemental Board Presence, Spells, and Repeating)

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Electra secludes most of her time in the Underground Rapids found underneath Gadgetzan and has found her home among the crashing and treacherous waves that flow into the Waters. She spends most of her time working with Water and Stone Elementals to break the rare minerals and rocks that are found underneath the city.

And their Legendary, the one and only chaotic Elemental herself, Electra.

Paladin Class Cards: (Theme: Elemental Chaining, Board Buffing, Secret Strength, Healing Helpers)

If you guys want to see the rest of the triclasses, feel free to comment below in the Forum. If this doesn't get much notice, I don't free time have to spend 2 hours straight from my day taking every card in the expansion and writing full on explanations for each Triclass. If this Forum gets enough views, I'll post the next Triclass as well as the Neutrals probably next week. If that continues to do well, I'll finished with the Last Triclass and the Triclass Legendaries. If all goes well, I'll post teh Solo Adventure content into my final post. Please comment and leave notes on cards that you think need tweeking or cards you really like so far too! Please tell me what I can do better!

1) Never Surrender any games until Platinum.
2) Keep your ego in check. If your opponent has not surrender, always assume they have have an out.

My latest ranked game is an important example of both of these, players will do some incredible stupid things whether by ego or they oversee a solution. These will net you free wins.

My opponent has 4 health left and I have 13 health left. This Braum/Vlad had my Kninkou Elusives against a wall with 6 units on the field, one with overwhelm, a braum, and 4 other unites. Braum pulled my elusive unit leaving me just an Shadow Assassin to block with. The five units on the board is dealing 17 damage (3 atk Overwhelm, 4 atk, 4 atk, 3 atk, 3 atk). With the units on the field he can kill me as is. Instead of letting it go, he decides to gloat. He drops his last two 2 braum's on the 3 atk overwhelm buffing him instead of holding them. He then spams Braum emote for the duration of the timer. I will his buffed overwhelm and block a 4 atk unit.  He Darius emotes me and emotes the entire time he has priority. I drop my elusive unit in hand and we both have zero cards. I top deck a buff to swing for lethal and my opponent draws a brick.

The opponent adds me as a friend and proceeds to spam some inappropriate comments and blocks me.

This is why you don't surrender in lower ranks. Not sure if the same applies in higher ranks as I doubt people make these silly mistakes in higher elo. Maybe a Master Tier player can confirm.

How to replicate:

• Visit a deck page where you have some of the cards (eg: 16222 - see below)
• Scroll down to More Decks From (Lehoo)
• Find the current deck in the More Decks section
• The 'my dust' value is the same as the total dust value

Where I noticed it:

Lady Vashj Challenge aka Commencing Bombardment

Adventure · Bomb Warrior · by Lehoo · 5 years, 10 months ago

• 1 Execute x 2
• 1 Risky Skipper x 2
• 1 Shield Slam x 1
• 1 Slam x 1
• 1 Upgrade! x 2
• 2 Armorsmith x 2
• 2 Battle Rage x 2
• 2 Bladestorm x 1
• 2 Corsair Cache x 2
• 2 Shield Block x 2
• 2 Youthful Brewmaster x 2
• 3 Clockwork Goblin x 2
• 4 Hoard Pillager x 2
• 4 Restless Mummy x 2
• 4 Wrenchcalibur x 2
• 5 Brawl x 2
• 5 Plague of Wrath x 1

3,980 Dust 8,515 0 Copy Deck Code

My go-to fun deck is Reno Demon Hunter at the moment. I net decked the list and didn't pay much attention to it, but today I noticed that Kazakus is missing from the usual Highlander package. So I tried to add him and... I couldn't. While the deck list is open, the card isn't shown in my collection, no matter what I do. Has anyone else encountered this? 

Now you see me... 

... now you don't. 

I don't understand. I heard a few streamers say that. But the deck sucks. It completely revolves around you getting Heimer. If you don't get Heimer you lose. Plain and simple. Vi only protects him that's it. How is that the best deck  in the game?

The problem with this mechanic is not that the cards that use it are too strong (although they are), it won't be fixed by simply nerfing BMM, P.Goods and the Yordle. The problem with this mechanic lies in the fact that is too chaotic for a game like LoR, it creates scenarios that are unpredictable and uncounterable, and it changes the outcome of games out of pure luck.

For example, If I run a single Ruination in my deck and my enemy is not playing SI, then you can't expect me to play against Ruination (alongside with all the other cards in my deck), and I shouldn't do it. It's a frustrating, unfun and unfair mechanic.

Making it draw from the bottom instead of the top of the deck is just part of the solution, but that was not really the core issue here, that was just a buff to Freijlord, not really a nerf to the mechanic itself.

As I see it there are 2 possible ways of actually making this mechanic fair: You either make the nab'd cards fleeting or you reveal them to the enemy. I personally rather have the later. I think it would still be played since the cards have extreme value right now. BMM is a 1 mana 2/1 that draws a card. PG is a 2 mana draw 2 cards that can be turned into a 0 mana draw 2 cards if you have BMM on the board, which is most of the times. Having those cards being revealed to the enemy is more than fair. 

This would problably be a very low priority feature, but while writing a thread on the Mythgard forum, I linked to something that won't happen for another 15-20 hours. I was thinking it would be cool to have some sort of text box, simmilar to the image and url ones, where you introduce a date and time (maybe even with the possibility of picking a time-zone), and there'd be a countdown telling you how many hours are left until the event happens. I doesn't even need to update itself constantly, only when you refresh the page.

This would also work amazingly with the calendar that was mentioned in another thread, if either ever get implemented.

Hey so I thought it would be fun to run through a single game vs tempo yoink and outline every card that was stolen and the role it played in winning the game for the opponent, and how their absence of said cards would have resulted in a loss. Keep in mind yoinked cards are not revealed so I have to assume they can be playing any card from my deck so that doubles the number of variables to play around than your average game.

1. A harsh winds is stolen, nullifying an attack to kill a sejuani

2. A glimpse is stolen to nullify a vengence targeting a sejuani and drawing the opponent 2

3. A buffed hearth guard is stolen, buffing my opponent entire deck and providing a 6/6 body

4. A buffed sentry is stolen providing the opponent 1 draw and a 4/3 body for 2

5. A babbling berg is stolen tutoring for a sejuani

The plays made by the opponent were rather low impact relative to the card advantage and control answers provided by my own deck

So I look forward to the get good scrub, dark souls logic, but in those games you don't get your sword stolen only for the boss to stab you with it.

I love this site, it has almost everything, but some small features in the card searching interface would be appreciated for convenience. (both for outof.cards/hearthstone/cards/ and https://outof.cards/legends-of-runeterra/cards/)

1. Make it possible to search for Standard cards only in the card searching interface. 
2. Similarly, make it possible to search for multiple expansions and mechanics simultaneously, for example Naxxramas, Old Gods and Basic at the same time, or Divine Shield and Taunt.
3. Show the number of results found. This would make it easier to evaluate the chances of specific things happening, for example, Solarian casting 3 of the same spells in a row.
4. Plus one, this is not a new feature, but could Results Display default to card images please? I feel like it's just more intuitive that way, that is how we see our cards all the time. It would remove two clicks for us.

Thank you to all the staff for working so hard on this site!

i was playing with freljord/SI deck vs nox/SI player in unranked, when he used Harsh Winds on me to win the game ?!

He had no card steal options and I dont even have Harsh Winds in my EndureSpider deck.

How the hell he can use the freljord card ??? Cheating? or did I miss something?

there is any date? god i hope it will be during the first days of July, but the corona virus thing really worries me

Tier 1 - Frejord

The buff to braum has only cemented the place of this region at top of the pile since patch 1.3, and while its true the power mostly lies in the champions, it turns out thats kind of a big deal. Also the changes to yoink made buffing your deck, and yetis inherently better. Also has some of the best combat tricks in the game.

Tier 2 - Noxious

What really impressed me with this region in the new season is deck diversity. Sure we see aggro nox decks of various varieties everywhere, but we also have allegiance just starting to be a thing with the buffed bassalisk rider,  we have its pairings with frejord in midrange builds, you can even run it with shadow with a longer endgame plan

Tier 3 - Shadow Isles

Shadow is always the best anti aggro region with withering wail being a pretty obvious mvp control card. The champions are solid offering a variety of deck builds, and keeper is still the best 2 drop in the game despite the nerfs. Deep is still solid, with only ephemeral still being in need of a little work.

Tier 4 - Bilgewater

The yoink nerf hit this region hard, you no longer need to fear MF tempo decks like the plague, but that just gives room for gangplank and TF to shine in control builds. Kegs have received consistent buffs and is in a healthy and solid position, the perfect slightly above average region.

Tier 5 - Ionia

Provides elusives, counterspells, bounces, and stuns, and great card advantage tools. While there might not be anything about ionia that really strikes you as OP anymore in the champion department, it turns out just being solid is good enough. Ionia struggles against aggro a bit, but punishes midrange so its placement on the tier list will always be moving up and down as the meta changes.

Tier 6 - P And Z 

I absolutely love this region, but beyond the very limited applications in burn aggro, and Heimer Vi it's truly underrepresented at the moment. Its top end options could use a few buffs cementing its placement as a control region, with the likes of Corina, celebration day, and that 7 mana multishot removal spell.

Tier 7 - Demacia

Not only have they suffered nerfs to their flagship midrange bannerman deck with the likes of badger bear and grizzled ranger falling from grace. But the real bullet to the head, was changing their indestructible spell from burst to fast speed, which hurt lux in a big way. There isn't a lot of reason to run this region other than single combat which is the most efficient removal spell in the game.

Conclusion - Expect these rankings to change with future balance changes and expansions, legends of runterra is a well designed game and the difference between a top tier region and low tier region is just a numbers tweak away.

I want to start by apologizing for what is going to be an indepth analysis of logical fallacies, in relations to net decking in Legends of Runterra.

Be aware, this doesn't apply to games like mtg or hearthstone where net decks are actually just objectively better.

We are going to use Elusive burn as an example https://lor.mobalytics.gg/decks/brpb1t1la4s47cjpnfn0

Originally this list used to feature two potions two retreats and 0 zeds

These 4 cards or slots in the deck are what we call tech choices, they exist to counter the decks you are likely to run into on ladder

The only problem is that said slots can only exist as good in a specific time and space in which they are intended.

For example retreat is at it's best when it counters get excited which forces the opponent to go down a card, which is found in Heimer Vi

The play rate of Heimer Vi is lower than initially thought and we replace it with Zed which is better in every other instance

Therefore you are better off coming to these conclusions yourself because you will always be faster than the meta shifts.

Please feel free to discuss but keep it civil - heart you all

where I can see them, after the award?

I had a discussion with a dude on redddit today that made a post stating the OG Grim Patron Deck wasnt as hard to pilot as people make it out to be. Obviously I disagreed with him on that but it really made me think about what deck actually was the HARDEST to pilot. The GP deck had a low winrate at the time even though ( and any player who played hs at the time will agree with me on that )  in the hand of the right player it used to be absolutely devastating. So the deck was really high rewarding, hard to play and even harder to master. I personally might even go as far as saying it could be the hardest out there. Im really not sure though. The other decks high up there would be Miracle rogue and freeze mage I reckon.
As I said Im really not sure though :D ! What do you guys think were/are the hardest decks to play ?

I'll be honest I'm pretty luke warm about the predictions for the new season.

It's a lot of elusives, and burn in tier 1, along with Heimer that also just generates elusives.

That being said what isn't there is very healthy with endure and yoink dropping down to Tier 2.

The good news is that it's pretty easy to tech against aggro, especially if you're running shadow isles anyway.

Let me know what you guys think, again not endorsing these opinions so don't hate on me, just passing on the info for the hardcore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sPmy--U6EM

So the Felfire Festival ist drawing to a close, gifting us some packs, an adventure with little replayability, and no arena rotation. So what is the next big thing to look forward too?  How long to the next expansion, any chance of something inbetween? To have a better basis of discussion, I'd suggest implementing a calender where you can see the biggest events of this and former hearthstone years- expansions, midway shake-ups, arena rotations, maybe even large nerfs, or possible the biggest E-sports happenings.

Also, I'd bet that at the end of the Felfire Festival the replacements for Leeroy and co. will finally be introduced, as well a new arena rotation.

Can I could get some help with the deck creator for Runeterra, I would thank you as well.

https://outof.cards/forums/legends-of-runeterra/deckbuilding-sharing/4418-bannerman-with-a-noxian-twist

1st Arena rotation for Ashes of Outland is coming on April 7.

Drafting Pool

"Free" Arena Ticket

Players who have an active Arena run when rotation happens will have their current run retired and will receive an Arena Ticket as compensation (plus any reward for current number of wins for that run).

• Play out your run to x-2 (x wins and max. 2 losses) if you want more rewards from your run, or just leave it at 0-0 if you dont want to bother playing.

Friendly Neighborhood Gladiator: if you do plan on leaving your run at 0-0, you might as well start two games and concede to two players, getting some positive karma :) You will get the identical rewards for 0-0 and 0-2 score.

Losing elusive outweighs making him cheaper, and they even nerfed his condition for drawing, now he needs to survive an enemy spell. Buffing a unit that has no combat perks like Elusive, is not that rewarding and he compares terribly to crimson aristocrat when it comes to being a target for spells like transfusion, blood for blood.

You can skip to the solutions on the bottom if you don't want to read the following explanation of the cards problems.

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The reason the card doesn't see play has nothing to do with the cost. It's the effect/pay off. The problem with the effect is as Swim stated the card wont's you to do two completely different things that contradict one another.

One it wants you to play a ton of spells. Easy enough. Then it wants you to flood the board with units. How do you do that? You can't have both. Its either one or the other.

At least that is what I thought till I made a deck that I have found can consistently do both and leave you with a full board of unites to buff up to anywhere between 7/7 - 11/11 by turn 7 or 8 and almost always have a mind meld in hand by then. By consistently I mean literally every time I played it. After 10 games with the deck I never once didn't have the mind meld and a full board by turn 7. I used all the multi unite spawning type spell cards between BW and P&Z with the usual P&Z board control spells and lots of BW an P&Z draw spells to find mind meld by turn 7 or 8. 

The problem is mind meld is meant to be a finisher but it fails at its job. Up until turn 7 or 8 all you have are mostly low cost 1/1 chum blockers who you can't afford to block with most of the time. Then your reward for making it to turn 7 or 8 is to buff them all to 10/10 unites that all end up getting blocked then turn back into little 1/1 unites at the end of the round.

So you cleared the board but didn't even harm the enemy nexus 99% of the time. So unless you have another MM you are now dead in the water.

PS: I also tried using unites that spawned spells rather than spells that spawn unites but you rarely had a full board by the time MM was ready to be used.

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I'm sorry this took so long but I felt I had to first point out the problems before I could lay out the solutions.

Option 1: Make the effect stay. This would allow for you to clear their board, defend yourself during their turn, and hopefully finish them off on your next turn. It would also allow the enemy player time on their turn to take out some of your unites and build a defense for your next attack or do a board clear of their own.

Option 2: Give the unites Overwhelm or Elusive when under its effect. Though this maybe OP.

Option 3: Make the spell either burst or fast speed. This would allow you to attack in when you see a good opening where the enemy player can't block all your unites then when they confirm their blocks you hit them with MM and hopefully win.

Golden Kael'thas Sunstrider Is not golden

More like silver or platinum 

Now that my mis-leading title has caught your attention. Let's play guess how many new accounts get created to this forum in the next month to specifically complain about:

1) Elusives
2) Aggro Burn Style Decks
3) Braum

I would offer a reward for a successful guess, but I don't want junk accounts created just for someone to get to their number. While I do think Elusives and Aggro Burn Style is about to rule the meta once more. I think Vlad/Braum might actually be scary now.

Call me a Negative Nancy, but I think we will see 5 new accounts create threads complaining about the above.