headcrack looks too cartoonish, and it really just looks like a troll making a fighting pose. the old art illustrated what the card did, and it looked and felt more real.
deadly shot is now just an arrow, why? there wasn't much blood in the art before. the old art was good because it was a arrow that killed someone, now it is just an arrow. but what I mainly don't like is all the orange. it is too bright, and empty.
my favorite change is probably to Windfury Harpy and [Hearthstone Card (succubus) Not Found]/Felstalker. not because they were to sexual, but because the new art is better.
before, windfury harpy was making that weird pose, and it was kinda discerning. this one looks more like a threatening monster, less like a trapeze artist with wings.
I like felstalker better than succubus because in general I like demon monsters better than demon people. the new card I think is better thematically, and succubus didn't really make sense when you think about it. why was she stealing your cards? having it be a demon-dog makes more sense for that.
I don't like it. I especially don't like changing card names. Changing a card's text is too confusing for new players, but changing a card's name entirely isn't?
You know what's really offensive? The fact that women are apparently not allowed to wear anything "revealing" in modern society anymore. The only statement I'm getting from these changes is that women should watch what they wear, lest they arouse or corrupt random men. Meanwhile, men can wear whatever the fuck they like
Except, Queen of Pain and Secretkeeper are wearing LESS CLOTHING now. Windfury Harpy is wearing a little bit more, but she's still basically naked. It's certainly not the winged aerobics teachers you see in western Yu-Gi-Oh.
I really doubt censorship or China had anything to do with these changes. If they did, they would've just region locked it they did for The Skeleton Knight, Abomination, and a bunch of other cards. They did this because Hearthstone's art has evolved. They don't want to depict blood and violent deaths anymore. They don't want women in stupid-looking poses. They probably don't want succubi because of the connotations. The game is very cartoony now, and they want to stay consistent with that theme.
A man is lying on the street, some punks chopped off his head
Well changing the Art doesn't realy bother me, sure some of the old art i would've like more but that's still ok. But chaning card names or simply replace them with others is simply confusing ... but i guess we'll live :)
I am seriously getting so god damned sick and tired of these types of comments.
You're just projecting.
Just because you're immature and can't see a woman body without obsessing over it sexually and without getting a '' raging boner '' doesn't mean that other people can't...
A fully grown adult in particular should be capable of seeing a womans body without reacting that way, even most teenager high on hormones can.
I am getting so tired of well-meaning but extremely condescending men in particular with the '' overly-concerned and protective father syndrome '' who think that they need to protect women from themselves and that they're being '' woke '' for modesty policing women ( while being totally okay with half-naked men. I can't even begin to count how many times I've seen men post pictures of themselves shirtless in the mirror, and then shame women for wearing normal clothes that show cleavage.
I have to deal with this all the god damned time as a woman and I am getting so tired of it.
And if you can't see a womans body without getting a hard on then you have some issues that you need to work on, if anything you're just outing yourself without even realizing it with your comment.
A healthy adult man doesn't have that reaction to it...
The human body is beautiful, and I think that we all like seeing them.
If we can look at mens bodies without going '' hurr durr unzip pants fap material '' then we should be able to look at womens bodies in the same way. You can appreciate art like the Succubus without it being '' for fap material ''.
It's just such an immature and puritanical way of looking at it...
And there are a lot of cards with far more revealing male characters.
And cards like freaking Succubuses or even the Harpies who are basically beasts are the last card that should be censored...
If skin being revealed doesn't make sense then, when does it make sense and why ain't those same standards applied to men?
Tbh, Malfurion is pretty damn hot. There are many half-naked hot men in Warcraft... Should they be censored because I find them attractive?
Absolutely agree with this. As a straight male, all of the posts I see about "missing boobs, game is ruined" is really, really stupid. Boobs do not define the game, the game defines the game. People who say that they're going to "miss the boobs" or whatever are just making themselves look stupid and immature. Even if they're joking, this stuff really does affect people.
To put it lightly, the world is an unfair bastard.
I get that it's not "the point" (censorship), but the main reason this isn't bothering me is that in practical effect, it's like the tree falling in the forest: If HS changes the art on cards that are never played, does anyone ever notice? Aside from Deadly Shot & Eviscerate, I never see ANY of these cards being played (well Secretkeeper once maybe every 100 games against a Secret Paladin/Hunter). So really I wasn't ever seeing the old art and will likely never see the new art except when going through the collection so whatever...
It's not a big deal, really. I'm still surprised that lost of people are complaining about the toned down boobs and ass. I don't know about them, but I don't play this game to get a raging boner over some scantily clad illustrations.
The new art looks better, aesthetics-wise. The old art was starting to look dated.
Did you regularly get raging boners from the uncensored Secretkeeper art? Did the old Windfury Harpy give you an uncontrollable urge to masturbate right then and there? No?
Then for god's sake don't throw out this strawman that the only people who are upset about censorship & bowdlerization of art are mad because their favourite spank bank got closed down. It's a ridiculous argument on it's face, and as others have pointed out, it really does say more about you than it does about anyone else. If "I don't need boobs in my card game" is your best argument for change then you're admitting that you HAVE NO ARGUMENT. All you've got is vague attempts at shaming others for not being a puritan.
Since people seem to believe your avatar on a gaming forum is a portal to your inner psyche, I'm sure folks will assume this post is an anti-SJW rant. Nothing could be further from the truth.
OF COURSE, they make these changes if they think there is even a possibility that the old content could cause problems . . . in new OR existing markets.
OF COURSE, different countries have different censorship standards. For Christ's Sake, you can't meme in Europe without potentially being sued by the IP owner anymore (thank you Article 13). So I just know none of you complaining are doing so from the EU, because pot is definitely calling kettle black (in a non-racial allegorical way) in that case. Don't even get me started on the proposed insanity before the US House of Reps on this subject.
and . . . by the way . . . OF COURSE, you are lying to yourself if you start a post with "I don't give a damn about these changes, BUT . . . "
As the great American philosopher Jimmy Dore once said, if you include the word "but" in a sentence, you have just erased, and probably are about to actively disprove, everything that came before the word. See, for example, last Thursday's US Democratic Primary Debate ("I don't believe you are a racist, BUT . . . "). This thread is no exception.
Bottom line is this. If you are a fan of Hearthstone, and not just a fan of edgy content and defending perceived slights from PC culture (which, by the way, I don't put in quotes because it is definitely a thing), you are fine with this change. I have no idea whether these changes were necessary, but they are so completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things, of course Blizzard would take this tiny precaution.
As for commentary on one country's policies over another, let he whose country lays no bullshit on the altar of PC cast the first stone. Something tells me there won't be many rocks flying.
I'm happy with most of the changes, not because I think nudity is bad, but looking at it their art was just trash. While I think Aviana is totally fine because she looks like a gorgeous goddess, old Secretkeeper just looks stupid, her body makes no sense, her spine is twisted through and through, it's just wrong and overdone for no reason. Same for old Windfury Harpy, what the fuck is going on with her hips. And honestly, that Succubus art just looks a bit too cosplayish and could be improved. Pretty sad that they just gave up on her for a random fel demon though.
I however disagree with the changes for the spells art.
But that said I don't actually really care because none of those cards were special to me.
Some of the changes were good, but most of them were just bad. Deadly shot was so iconic and how it's just bland.
The changes were done mostly for China's strict censorship rules. Blizzard already has three games under investigation by the Chinese dictato- government for Blood, Violence and Inharmonious Chat (not censored chat). These changes are just Blizzard prepping in advance for when it's Hearthstones turn under the microscope.
A lot of people also like to praise that these changes are good and making the game more "kid friendly". This game is rated T for TEEN, kid's aren't suppose to be playing this game and just to clarify what's allowed under the T rating:
Alcoholic References
Blood
Fantasy Violence
Mild Suggestive Themes
If Blizzard wants to censor their game for China then go for it, but please just make a China only client. If they don't then nearly half the cards are gonna have to be changed for their strict rules.
The change to Deadly Shot is killing me, that thin little arrow thing doesn't look dynamic at all. I'm fine with taking out the violence but they should have made an attempt to do another close up of the bolt.
I don't mind the Secretkeeper art switch, but changing the sounds I think is the worst part.
I really don't like Headcrack or Deadly Shot.
headcrack looks too cartoonish, and it really just looks like a troll making a fighting pose. the old art illustrated what the card did, and it looked and felt more real.
deadly shot is now just an arrow, why? there wasn't much blood in the art before. the old art was good because it was a arrow that killed someone, now it is just an arrow. but what I mainly don't like is all the orange. it is too bright, and empty.
my favorite change is probably to Windfury Harpy and [Hearthstone Card (succubus) Not Found]/Felstalker. not because they were to sexual, but because the new art is better.
before, windfury harpy was making that weird pose, and it was kinda discerning. this one looks more like a threatening monster, less like a trapeze artist with wings.
I like felstalker better than succubus because in general I like demon monsters better than demon people. the new card I think is better thematically, and succubus didn't really make sense when you think about it. why was she stealing your cards? having it be a demon-dog makes more sense for that.
Carrion, my wayward grub.
I literally don't care.
Wow, secret keeper even got other voice lines and another flavour text. Was this really neccessary?
I always played warlock in World of Warcraft.
I (almost) play warlock in Hearthstone.
Rest in peace, my lovely succubus.
I don't like it. I especially don't like changing card names. Changing a card's text is too confusing for new players, but changing a card's name entirely isn't?
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Except, Queen of Pain and Secretkeeper are wearing LESS CLOTHING now. Windfury Harpy is wearing a little bit more, but she's still basically naked. It's certainly not the winged aerobics teachers you see in western Yu-Gi-Oh.
I really doubt censorship or China had anything to do with these changes. If they did, they would've just region locked it they did for The Skeleton Knight, Abomination, and a bunch of other cards. They did this because Hearthstone's art has evolved. They don't want to depict blood and violent deaths anymore. They don't want women in stupid-looking poses. They probably don't want succubi because of the connotations. The game is very cartoony now, and they want to stay consistent with that theme.
A man is lying on the street, some punks chopped off his head
I'm the only one who stops to see if he's dead.
Hmm. Turns out he's dead.
By changing Succubus to a Felstalker they ruined the thematics of the Grim Guzzler bossfight in BRM.
Oh yeah, these Forum Signatures are a thing.
Next on the chopping block: "Deathrattle."
Since they don't want to depict violence, they absolutely need to rename Deathrattle, DEATH is in the name and I find that offensive.
Also can we please petition to change the wording of any card that says "deal DAMAGE"? That seems a bit violent for my tastes.
Finally there is the issue with LifeSTEAL. I don't want this game to be encouraging theft or harming others.
worst community ever
Well changing the Art doesn't realy bother me, sure some of the old art i would've like more but that's still ok. But chaning card names or simply replace them with others is simply confusing ... but i guess we'll live :)
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Absolutely agree with this. As a straight male, all of the posts I see about "missing boobs, game is ruined" is really, really stupid. Boobs do not define the game, the game defines the game. People who say that they're going to "miss the boobs" or whatever are just making themselves look stupid and immature. Even if they're joking, this stuff really does affect people.
To put it lightly, the world is an unfair bastard.
I get that it's not "the point" (censorship), but the main reason this isn't bothering me is that in practical effect, it's like the tree falling in the forest: If HS changes the art on cards that are never played, does anyone ever notice? Aside from Deadly Shot & Eviscerate, I never see ANY of these cards being played (well Secretkeeper once maybe every 100 games against a Secret Paladin/Hunter). So really I wasn't ever seeing the old art and will likely never see the new art except when going through the collection so whatever...
Did you regularly get raging boners from the uncensored Secretkeeper art? Did the old Windfury Harpy give you an uncontrollable urge to masturbate right then and there? No?
Then for god's sake don't throw out this strawman that the only people who are upset about censorship & bowdlerization of art are mad because their favourite spank bank got closed down. It's a ridiculous argument on it's face, and as others have pointed out, it really does say more about you than it does about anyone else. If "I don't need boobs in my card game" is your best argument for change then you're admitting that you HAVE NO ARGUMENT. All you've got is vague attempts at shaming others for not being a puritan.
Since people seem to believe your avatar on a gaming forum is a portal to your inner psyche, I'm sure folks will assume this post is an anti-SJW rant. Nothing could be further from the truth.
OF COURSE, they make these changes if they think there is even a possibility that the old content could cause problems . . . in new OR existing markets.
OF COURSE, different countries have different censorship standards. For Christ's Sake, you can't meme in Europe without potentially being sued by the IP owner anymore (thank you Article 13). So I just know none of you complaining are doing so from the EU, because pot is definitely calling kettle black (in a non-racial allegorical way) in that case. Don't even get me started on the proposed insanity before the US House of Reps on this subject.
and . . . by the way . . . OF COURSE, you are lying to yourself if you start a post with "I don't give a damn about these changes, BUT . . . "
As the great American philosopher Jimmy Dore once said, if you include the word "but" in a sentence, you have just erased, and probably are about to actively disprove, everything that came before the word. See, for example, last Thursday's US Democratic Primary Debate ("I don't believe you are a racist, BUT . . . "). This thread is no exception.
Bottom line is this. If you are a fan of Hearthstone, and not just a fan of edgy content and defending perceived slights from PC culture (which, by the way, I don't put in quotes because it is definitely a thing), you are fine with this change. I have no idea whether these changes were necessary, but they are so completely insignificant in the grand scheme of things, of course Blizzard would take this tiny precaution.
As for commentary on one country's policies over another, let he whose country lays no bullshit on the altar of PC cast the first stone. Something tells me there won't be many rocks flying.
I'm happy with most of the changes, not because I think nudity is bad, but looking at it their art was just trash. While I think Aviana is totally fine because she looks like a gorgeous goddess, old Secretkeeper just looks stupid, her body makes no sense, her spine is twisted through and through, it's just wrong and overdone for no reason. Same for old Windfury Harpy, what the fuck is going on with her hips. And honestly, that Succubus art just looks a bit too cosplayish and could be improved. Pretty sad that they just gave up on her for a random fel demon though.
I however disagree with the changes for the spells art.
But that said I don't actually really care because none of those cards were special to me.
It's the HS version of the original Japanese Dark Magician Girl brought over to US and censored on her English counterpart all over again XD
Some of the changes were good, but most of them were just bad. Deadly shot was so iconic and how it's just bland.
The changes were done mostly for China's strict censorship rules. Blizzard already has three games under investigation by the Chinese dictato- government for Blood, Violence and Inharmonious Chat (not censored chat). These changes are just Blizzard prepping in advance for when it's Hearthstones turn under the microscope.
A lot of people also like to praise that these changes are good and making the game more "kid friendly". This game is rated T for TEEN, kid's aren't suppose to be playing this game and just to clarify what's allowed under the T rating:
If Blizzard wants to censor their game for China then go for it, but please just make a China only client. If they don't then nearly half the cards are gonna have to be changed for their strict rules.
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/Synopsis.aspx?Certificate=33195&Title=Hearthstone:+Heroes+of+Warcraft (ESRB's page for Hearthstone's rating)
It's 90% luck, 1% skill
9% concentrated power of will...
10% pleasure, 90 % pain
And 100% reason to delete the game.
The change to Deadly Shot is killing me, that thin little arrow thing doesn't look dynamic at all. I'm fine with taking out the violence but they should have made an attempt to do another close up of the bolt.
I don't mind the Secretkeeper art switch, but changing the sounds I think is the worst part.
am I the only one wondering about this conundrum:
How is "poor animals being sucked into death" being less disturbing than a few drops of blood, I just find it a bit strange