Anyway, I made a card without 'if your deck is empty' mechanic. Do this count?
For what it's worth with only an hour to go, I don't think this is okay. Our cards need to have an effect that checks if our deck has no minions, which is a condition of the present. Yours triggers when a future state of play is reached. Try to reach Shadows via DM, but I have serious doubts. Sorry for not responding sooner :/
That said, I think it's a cool effect, you just need to make it "Battlecry: If your deck has no minions,..."
anchorm4nHarbinger of Winter 19152510 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 years, 11 months ago
No, I actually haven't, thanks for the tip! The deck was one of my day 1 Darkmoon Faire builds after I got Deck of Chaos from a pack. I wanted to toy around with N'Zoth as well so I ended up adding minions with Tribe tags that might be a bit worse than optimal.
If you're playing on EU, you can add me and borrow the deck to try it out. My tag is anchorm4n#2478
anchorm4nHarbinger of Winter 19152510 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 years, 11 months ago
Reached level 40 over the holidays which made me confident things aren't as bad as they've looked like when the new system came out (not counting the mid expansion card release, that might become a problem gold-wise).
I'm starting to wonder which skin I should pick. I get most people here have taken Valeera. Are you happy with your choice?
anchorm4nHarbinger of Winter 19152510 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 years, 11 months ago
I already love this new series! Great article, thank you very much for your efforts! To answer your question, my meme deck of choice in Standard is also for Warlock and uses pretty much the same early game package, but aimes at Deck of Chaos shenanigans as its win condition. The dream in this case is a board full of 4 Mana 9/4 Carnival Clowns. It's super fun to play and at least somewhat competitive. Here's the list:
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anchorm4nHarbinger of Winter 19152510 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 years, 11 months ago
Thanks for all your feedback! I'm happy the general idea is so well received. Most of you thought it is too strong, though. So I've made another version that summons only 3 Boom Bots for four Mana. To be honest, I don't feel very comfortable with that so I've also made a 3 Mana summon 2 Boom Bots, which is better Tempo I think. I would be very grateful for some more thoughts about that problem.
More feedback:
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DestroyerR: While I get your reasoning, I would still tune it down a bit. I suggest reducing the Armor gain to the usual 5 and somehow weaken the Hero Power a bit. It's either that or scrap the starts in hand effect. And you really need another name for the Hero Power.
Pokeniner: I like your idea, but the art looks a bit weird. I think you could make the buff +2/+2, so the effort is worth it.
Beemo: Your idea is close to something I've been planing to do for Demon Hunter for quite some time now. Two problems though: making it a minion makes the whole archetype quite inconsistent and you should try to design it in a way that keeps the card playable even if the requirement isn't met.
DavnanKillder: With my feedback for your Druid card in my mind, I have to say I like Shopping at the Bazaar way more. It's very versatile, it fits Burgle Rogue very well and it has lots of flavor. Nice work! One minor issue: I'm no native speaker, but shouldn't it be "Thug" with an H?
Hordaki: Looks okay but not terribly exciting.
Linkblade: Nice idea, but the power level is hard to evaluate. I think it's okay but it might scare people.
MenacingBagel: I don't think this would work very well since it's a minion. It's very cool art though, you should definitely save that up for another time. Giving permanent Spell Damage is something that you could attach to a weapon if you want to stick to the idea.
Ozymandias: I like the flavor and the idea of a no minions Demon Hunter. What bothers me though is that the card is straight out useless if there's a minion in your deck. The already existing cards of this type have at least some use if you don't fulfill the requirement.
anchorm4nHarbinger of Winter 19152510 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 years, 11 months ago
While I agree with what Demon and sinti have said about the spirit or the idea of the competition, I'd like to add another thought to the debate about the prompt: what about fatigue? I have placed my card in Boomsday on purpose, even though there was no such thing as a No Minions Warrior deck around then. But Control Mech Warrior was huge for some time and mirror matches were quite common. Choosing the right moment to play Archivist Elysiana was crucial and I was aiming to fulfill a similar purpose with my card. Chef Nomi would probably be another example of a card that has an effect when your deck has no minions but doesn't necessarily ask you to run only spells.
All that said, I don't see a reason to DQ the cards in discussion because they have an effect that triggers when your deck has no minions and thereby fulfill the prompt. You can downvote them to hell if you want to, but for me they're perfectly legal.
Edit: What Shadows says down below. Minions should be fine, but not the two in question since they have Start of Game effects and check for "other" minions.
anchorm4nHarbinger of Winter 19152510 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 years, 11 months ago
Feedback time :)
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DavnanKillder: Druid is probably a good class for this comp. They have quite a few minion generating or buffing spells. That said, the former are mostly Treant-related and your cards don't fit in very well. "Companion" is also a term so strongly associated with Hunter that I would advice not to use it. On top of that, while the art for Nature's Channeling is quite nice, I find both of the choose one options a bit boring. In your place, I'd try to make something that a Spells only Druid deck would be lacking - maybe something like Starfall or even Naturalize.
BloodMefist: I agree, Malicious looks OP. Shattered Memory is better and more versatile imho.
FenrirWulf: I also prefer No Man's Land. Not much to criticise here.
clawz161: Additional to the "other", Recruitment Office also lacks a period and the end of its text and should get another watermark. Why is this a Mech? The Hero Power should have the default (blue) border. It's also missing the "Hero Power" headline and the part in brackets should probably be written in italic. That said, it's an interesting and quite creative idea, but the quite uncommon art of the card and the fact that the Hero Power is very hard to evaluate might cost you points.
linkblade: Solid card if not overly exciting, nothing to criticise from my side.
Wailor: Nice idea, but the current evolve Shaman Hype and the resulting hate the archetype gets might cost you points. I would also tone down the conditional effect from (6) to (4).
Demon: I like it quite a lot. My only suggestion is to lower the damage dealt to 4 so you get the numbers-flavor (4 Mana, 4 damage, 4 Totems) like in Apexis Blast.
anchorm4nHarbinger of Winter 19152510 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 years, 11 months ago
My first idea is for Warrior, probably one of the harder classes this week:
I've tried to design it in a way that's useful even if the requirement isn't met. Just a reminder: with Dr. Boom, Mad Genius in play, the Boom Bots have Rush.
Will add feedback tomorrow.
Edit: Second idea. Not quite as creative, but I had to get it out of my head.
anchorm4nHarbinger of Winter 19152510 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 years, 11 months ago
Here's the list im using, by the way. I'm at Diamon 4 right now, not expecting to get much further. The list feels good to me, the only thing that I might try is swapping a Quick Shot for a second Play Dead.
anchorm4nHarbinger of Winter 19152510 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 years, 11 months ago
I've made it to Diamond 4 with Deathrattle Hunter in Wild! I don't expect to get to Legend but I'm so happy this archetype finally works out. Messing with Big Priests with the help of Sylvanas is such a joy :D
Also shoutout to that Raza Priest player who adapted their game plan very early and managed to beat me even though I had stuffed their deck with birbs. Well played indeed!
anchorm4nHarbinger of Winter 19152510 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 years, 11 months ago
Nice idea! This is meant to represent the resolution of doing some sports every other day. I've made it even-Cost because the odd faction got way more cards which seemed unfair and I don't want to see this in odd Pally. Might be a good Neutral or Hunter effect as well but the art was already at hand and just screamed Paladin.
anchorm4nHarbinger of Winter 19152510 PostsJoined 03/13/2019
Posted 3 years, 11 months ago
Deathrattle Hunter is definitely a thing but I don't think the best list has been figured out yet. Currently I'm running two Tonks, Oblivitron and a Birb because I hate Zephrys with a passion. I'm not sure about Oblivitron, but having a Tonk in my graveyard more than once won me the game with 16 damage out of nowhere from double nine lives.
Happy to hear that. Every DQ is a shame if it can be avoided. Good luck!
For what it's worth with only an hour to go, I don't think this is okay. Our cards need to have an effect that checks if our deck has no minions, which is a condition of the present. Yours triggers when a future state of play is reached. Try to reach Shadows via DM, but I have serious doubts. Sorry for not responding sooner :/
That said, I think it's a cool effect, you just need to make it "Battlecry: If your deck has no minions,..."
Rattlegore?
No, I actually haven't, thanks for the tip! The deck was one of my day 1 Darkmoon Faire builds after I got Deck of Chaos from a pack. I wanted to toy around with N'Zoth as well so I ended up adding minions with Tribe tags that might be a bit worse than optimal.
If you're playing on EU, you can add me and borrow the deck to try it out. My tag is anchorm4n#2478
Reached level 40 over the holidays which made me confident things aren't as bad as they've looked like when the new system came out (not counting the mid expansion card release, that might become a problem gold-wise).
I'm starting to wonder which skin I should pick. I get most people here have taken Valeera. Are you happy with your choice?
I already love this new series! Great article, thank you very much for your efforts! To answer your question, my meme deck of choice in Standard is also for Warlock and uses pretty much the same early game package, but aimes at Deck of Chaos shenanigans as its win condition. The dream in this case is a board full of 4 Mana 9/4 Carnival Clowns. It's super fun to play and at least somewhat competitive. Here's the list:
Thanks for all your feedback! I'm happy the general idea is so well received. Most of you thought it is too strong, though. So I've made another version that summons only 3 Boom Bots for four Mana. To be honest, I don't feel very comfortable with that so I've also made a 3 Mana summon 2 Boom Bots, which is better Tempo I think. I would be very grateful for some more thoughts about that problem.
More feedback:
DestroyerR: While I get your reasoning, I would still tune it down a bit. I suggest reducing the Armor gain to the usual 5 and somehow weaken the Hero Power a bit. It's either that or scrap the starts in hand effect. And you really need another name for the Hero Power.
Pokeniner: I like your idea, but the art looks a bit weird. I think you could make the buff +2/+2, so the effort is worth it.
Beemo: Your idea is close to something I've been planing to do for Demon Hunter for quite some time now. Two problems though: making it a minion makes the whole archetype quite inconsistent and you should try to design it in a way that keeps the card playable even if the requirement isn't met.
DavnanKillder: With my feedback for your Druid card in my mind, I have to say I like Shopping at the Bazaar way more. It's very versatile, it fits Burgle Rogue very well and it has lots of flavor. Nice work! One minor issue: I'm no native speaker, but shouldn't it be "Thug" with an H?
Hordaki: Looks okay but not terribly exciting.
Linkblade: Nice idea, but the power level is hard to evaluate. I think it's okay but it might scare people.
MenacingBagel: I don't think this would work very well since it's a minion. It's very cool art though, you should definitely save that up for another time. Giving permanent Spell Damage is something that you could attach to a weapon if you want to stick to the idea.
Ozymandias: I like the flavor and the idea of a no minions Demon Hunter. What bothers me though is that the card is straight out useless if there's a minion in your deck. The already existing cards of this type have at least some use if you don't fulfill the requirement.
That's right of course, the "other" has to be cut which means Start of Game effects won't work. Sorry, I've missed that.
While I agree with what Demon and sinti have said about the spirit or the idea of the competition, I'd like to add another thought to the debate about the prompt: what about fatigue? I have placed my card in Boomsday on purpose, even though there was no such thing as a No Minions Warrior deck around then. But Control Mech Warrior was huge for some time and mirror matches were quite common. Choosing the right moment to play Archivist Elysiana was crucial and I was aiming to fulfill a similar purpose with my card. Chef Nomi would probably be another example of a card that has an effect when your deck has no minions but doesn't necessarily ask you to run only spells.
All that said, I don't see a reason to DQ the cards in discussion because they have an effect that triggers when your deck has no minions and thereby fulfill the prompt. You can downvote them to hell if you want to, but for me they're perfectly legal.
Edit: What Shadows says down below. Minions should be fine, but not the two in question since they have Start of Game effects and check for "other" minions.
Update: I've added a guide to the deck. Diamond 2 and not giving up yet ;-)
Feedback time :)
DavnanKillder: Druid is probably a good class for this comp. They have quite a few minion generating or buffing spells. That said, the former are mostly Treant-related and your cards don't fit in very well. "Companion" is also a term so strongly associated with Hunter that I would advice not to use it. On top of that, while the art for Nature's Channeling is quite nice, I find both of the choose one options a bit boring. In your place, I'd try to make something that a Spells only Druid deck would be lacking - maybe something like Starfall or even Naturalize.
BloodMefist: I agree, Malicious looks OP. Shattered Memory is better and more versatile imho.
FenrirWulf: I also prefer No Man's Land. Not much to criticise here.
clawz161: Additional to the "other", Recruitment Office also lacks a period and the end of its text and should get another watermark. Why is this a Mech? The Hero Power should have the default (blue) border. It's also missing the "Hero Power" headline and the part in brackets should probably be written in italic. That said, it's an interesting and quite creative idea, but the quite uncommon art of the card and the fact that the Hero Power is very hard to evaluate might cost you points.
linkblade: Solid card if not overly exciting, nothing to criticise from my side.
Wailor: Nice idea, but the current evolve Shaman Hype and the resulting hate the archetype gets might cost you points. I would also tone down the conditional effect from (6) to (4).
Demon: I like it quite a lot. My only suggestion is to lower the damage dealt to 4 so you get the numbers-flavor (4 Mana, 4 damage, 4 Totems) like in Apexis Blast.
My first idea is for Warrior, probably one of the harder classes this week:
I've tried to design it in a way that's useful even if the requirement isn't met. Just a reminder: with Dr. Boom, Mad Genius in play, the Boom Bots have Rush.
Will add feedback tomorrow.
Edit: Second idea. Not quite as creative, but I had to get it out of my head.
Which one do you prefer and why?
Congrats Demon! By far my favorite card in this competition.
Congrats! Nice card.
Here's the list im using, by the way. I'm at Diamon 4 right now, not expecting to get much further. The list feels good to me, the only thing that I might try is swapping a Quick Shot for a second Play Dead.
I've made it to Diamond 4 with Deathrattle Hunter in Wild! I don't expect to get to Legend but I'm so happy this archetype finally works out. Messing with Big Priests with the help of Sylvanas is such a joy :D
Also shoutout to that Raza Priest player who adapted their game plan very early and managed to beat me even though I had stuffed their deck with birbs. Well played indeed!
Good lord. And I suggested to make it a Hunter card with Shaw in the same set on top of that. I have to go to bed.
Nice idea! This is meant to represent the resolution of doing some sports every other day. I've made it even-Cost because the odd faction got way more cards which seemed unfair and I don't want to see this in odd Pally. Might be a good Neutral or Hunter effect as well but the art was already at hand and just screamed Paladin.
Deathrattle Hunter is definitely a thing but I don't think the best list has been figured out yet. Currently I'm running two Tonks, Oblivitron and a Birb because I hate Zephrys with a passion. I'm not sure about Oblivitron, but having a Tonk in my graveyard more than once won me the game with 16 damage out of nowhere from double nine lives.
That's correct, Blood Herald it is!