I was wondering about making Spelldecks with Yogg-Saron, Hope's End, or Renodecks, or Questdecks, or decks with Random generation or mixes of all of them.
All of them in Wild ofc.
I think measured randomness is the best way to shake off some boredom.
Some examples are Quest Mage, Quest-Thief Rogue, Thief Priest, Spell Priest, Evo Shaman, and all sorts of Renodecks (all of which are at least viable in Wild atm, given the current high amount of Aggro/Burn decks).
Odd Demon Hunter: I find it highly disrespectful that the latest parvenu finds an effective Odd deck while other classes struggle with staying alive in the Wild meta despite their deeper card pool.
Kayn Sunfury is a fun little card, but honestly it is the weakest link in the deck. I replaced him with Illidari Felblade and didn't see a down count in my win rate.
This is exactly my point. In comparison with the other cards I mentioned Kayn is perfectly fair.
But QMage was completely fine until they introduced Licensed Adventurer and Violet Spellwing, reducing randomness and Tempo waste in order to complete the Quest to nonsensical levels.
Either way QMage is now just as slow as Secret Mage in closing games, while Secret Mage is way better at Tempo, so I'm not sure it deserves any more nerfs.
The cards you mentioned could win you some extra games, but I wouldn't craft them. Not in this meta.
I am used to play Even Shaman as my laddering deck since its inception, but I feel you can find better Tempo decks right now, with more resilience to stuff like Secret Mage and Renodecks.
I tried Standard after AoO, but honestly I'm done with it, again.
I just don't see the point, it's just a Wild with restricted card pool, but the powerlevel of topdecks is possibly even more oppressive, especially that of the obnoxious DH.
DH is actually even more hateful now, because it's a meta tyrant in the face of the nerfs, it feels like we're being trolled...
Just had a last-minute winstreak from Diamond10 to Diamond5.
With Discolock. Granted, I was fairly lucky against some opponents with off-meta decks, but the decks feels like some Demonic power courses through it!
Huge Tempo plays, I might have found the heir to my Even Shaman.
And Imprison is a very fancy design indeed, but as an Evergreen card I think it should cost no less than (5), especially with Subdue already included in the set as Tempo swing.
Measuring skill is bound to too many variables, as in, how do you define a list within an archetype? Error margin would be too high.
More likely, the people you encountered had a good MMR simply because they were playing DH, and getting good winrates despite poor skills or low attention...
Because ladder is inherently a grind, and it can be stressful at times.
Going for a cheese in Casual feels relaxing for many.
Afterall, what do you care if you're playing memes? You shouldn't care of winning in the first place. Just add some survival tools if you want to meme out before losing.
Still seeing a LOT of Quest Mages... Don't these guys ever give up?
Crushed some with Odd DH and Even Hunter but as Reno Priest it's still unwinnable (and we can extend that to any other slow deck). Time will tell if this balance is enough to cull their population
If these results are consistent through the meta, we'll be back to at least a polarized one: Combo > Control > Aggro/Tempo > Combo.
And I think that's the best we should hope for in Wild.
If Renodecks could consistently beat Combo (or consistently be Combo themselves), the meta would be ruined in a greed fiesta.
I have reached boredom threshold too.
I was wondering about making Spelldecks with Yogg-Saron, Hope's End, or Renodecks, or Questdecks, or decks with Random generation or mixes of all of them.
All of them in Wild ofc.
I think measured randomness is the best way to shake off some boredom.
Some examples are Quest Mage, Quest-Thief Rogue, Thief Priest, Spell Priest, Evo Shaman, and all sorts of Renodecks (all of which are at least viable in Wild atm, given the current high amount of Aggro/Burn decks).
Odd Demon Hunter: I find it highly disrespectful that the latest parvenu finds an effective Odd deck while other classes struggle with staying alive in the Wild meta despite their deeper card pool.
This is exactly my point. In comparison with the other cards I mentioned Kayn is perfectly fair.
Tbh, I don't find the wincon problematic, I find the deck's survival skill against Aggro problematic, being a Combo.
Namely, Flamewaker.
But QMage was completely fine until they introduced Licensed Adventurer and Violet Spellwing, reducing randomness and Tempo waste in order to complete the Quest to nonsensical levels.
Either way QMage is now just as slow as Secret Mage in closing games, while Secret Mage is way better at Tempo, so I'm not sure it deserves any more nerfs.
The cards you mentioned could win you some extra games, but I wouldn't craft them. Not in this meta.
I am used to play Even Shaman as my laddering deck since its inception, but I feel you can find better Tempo decks right now, with more resilience to stuff like Secret Mage and Renodecks.
Like Discolock.
Priestess of Fury, Altruis the Outcast and Skull of Gul'dan are still broken.
The much feared Kayn Sunfury looks like a petty minion in comparison.
Nerf those 3 and DH stays strong, but fair.
As you said, right now it feels like an Odd Paladin. But in Standard.
This is not how you keep or lure old players back to Standard.
I tried Standard after AoO, but honestly I'm done with it, again.
I just don't see the point, it's just a Wild with restricted card pool, but the powerlevel of topdecks is possibly even more oppressive, especially that of the obnoxious DH.
DH is actually even more hateful now, because it's a meta tyrant in the face of the nerfs, it feels like we're being trolled...
There's no way I'd pay for anything emote-related.
Also, your opponent couldn't care less about you getting bored: nobody plays for the enjoyment of their opponents.
Actually, if that was your reaction upon defeat, i'm sure your opponent would enjoy your salt.
Just had a last-minute winstreak from Diamond10 to Diamond5.
With Discolock. Granted, I was fairly lucky against some opponents with off-meta decks, but the decks feels like some Demonic power courses through it!
Huge Tempo plays, I might have found the heir to my Even Shaman.
Admittedly, the Galakrond, the Unspeakable package is quite necessary here.
Despite the DR synergies, it's just too easy to run this deck out of steam, if the Tempo strategy somehow fails and/or is delayed for too long.
Sethekk Veilweaver is equally pretty good, especially in conjunction with holy smite (Tempo + Value).
And I am using Bad Luck Albatross instead of Psychopomp: making your opponent draw trash is quite important, and you can copy the effect too.
The concept is great tho, cheers to Chump, I am really enjoying this deck.
I think the buffed Guardian of Kings is way over the top: it does too many things for (7).
I'd rather give Lay on Hands a buff.
And Imprison is a very fancy design indeed, but as an Evergreen card I think it should cost no less than (5), especially with Subdue already included in the set as Tempo swing.
This.
Measuring skill is bound to too many variables, as in, how do you define a list within an archetype? Error margin would be too high.
More likely, the people you encountered had a good MMR simply because they were playing DH, and getting good winrates despite poor skills or low attention...
I doubt you can consistently out-Tempo DH right now, unless you go Egg-Tempo (Warrior, but Priest also looks interesting).
Maybe you should consider some Control decks, and/or Highlander packages, including heals, sticky minions, and efficient removals.
Or you try and go hard with Aggro, like very hard, Face-Aggro.
Either way, I think playing against DH equals to hardmode...
Genn Greymane should definitely be adjusted to accomodate whatever HP with a benefit, at the given conditions.
It will be fine until they release a Coldarra Drake for DH which seems a very unnecessary addition to the class, hence an unlikely problem.
But... Why now?
It feels kinda random.
I daresay you'd find nearly as many t1 in Casual as you find now, even with no gold involved.
As I said, the reward is often cheesing out some wins, without caring too much at the same time.
You're deluding yourselves if you think Casual can be purified of competition.
I seriously doubt all the t1 I meet in Casual are Trainees or Farmers (who's got so much time to waste anyway?!?).
Because ladder is inherently a grind, and it can be stressful at times.
Going for a cheese in Casual feels relaxing for many.
Afterall, what do you care if you're playing memes? You shouldn't care of winning in the first place. Just add some survival tools if you want to meme out before losing.
If these results are consistent through the meta, we'll be back to at least a polarized one: Combo > Control > Aggro/Tempo > Combo.
And I think that's the best we should hope for in Wild.
If Renodecks could consistently beat Combo (or consistently be Combo themselves), the meta would be ruined in a greed fiesta.
Hell it was about time
Time to tech back with Kezan Mystic.
The change is actually pretty strong.
It's only apparently the same thing, but obviously the proposal is EXTREMELY synergic with Handbuff and any kind of Inspire/HP deck, past or future.
This thing should be attached to some rotating card, making it permanent without any condition is just wrong.
If they really wanted a better Paladin, they could have simply printed better cards for it.