This is hilarious... This card isn't the problem with the deck. The problem is that you can get Mountain Giant out and ping it with Conjurer's Calling to get 2 12 cost minions. Even jumping the cost of this card by one won't stop the ridiculousness of it.
If they wanted to make a good nerf to this card, what they needed to do was something like, "Summon 2 minions of the same cost that you paid to play the original minion" That way a Mountain Giant doesn't turn into 2 big scary things, only 2 mediocre minions.
This is a good nerf as it correctly establishes how this card is being used - in a combo manner. Making it cost 1 more mana helps aggro decks, the weakness of combo, run down the mage faster, but the nerf doesn't hugely affect the control match up, which the mage/combo deck is suppost to be at least at least a bit favored.
While Conjurer’s Calling is a powerful tool that’s found in a number of Mage decks, when used in decks focused around cards like Mountain Giant and Sea Giant, it was creating extremely powerful board states at a point in the game where opponents didn’t have effective answers.
Ok T5, then how about changing the cards that let to the "powerful board states" be changed? Because, let's face it, there will eventually be more cards that will be broken more because of 4 mana 8/8s than because of the card's own power level. And yes, [Hearthstone Card (Conjurer’s Calling) Not Found] at 4 is still good, but the combos with the Giants will still show up in the mid game, even if a bit less often.
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This nerf should've been Mountain Giant. These two still curve into each other and so they will remain a problem. Mountain Giant to 15 would've been a better nerf to Conjurer's Calling than this.
The card is still good though. Glad they didn't butcher it completely. Although this seems like yet another 'easy way out' nerf that doesn't really address the actual problem.
ah yes, this definitely solves the issue of when you can't answer a turn 4 Mountain Giant...wait
what does this even realistically do?
Any deck that previously failed to beat doubling a 12-drop still can't do anything about it. You still get game ending swing turns with Khadgar if you ever have a minion left on the board.
The explanation makes it seem like they think the problem was using two CCs on the same turn...but it's not. If I can't kill a single Mountain Giant the turn it's played what makes you think I'll be in any better of a situation if they double it the next turn for 4 instead of 3 mana?
The only situation where this matters would be some weird turn 10 combo with a 4-cost giant, any combo involving Astromancer (the one card where this wouldn't even be nearly broken with, but thanks I guess, better not fix the inherent problem of cost reducing cards and evolve effects).
CC is powerful because it duplicates are large guy and threatens to do it again on the next turn. It's not the double summon that's the problem.
I guess they'll fix it next year when they hoF Mountain Giant and pretend ilke he was the issue all along.
Personally, I find it rare that I don't have an answer for an early giant, whether its aggro with a bunch of minions, or control/mid with a spell or combo. Most of the time, its the turn 6-7 giant-conjurer combo that gets me, and this nerf delays it by a turn and also, with luna nerf, makes double-conjurer turns way less likely. I'm fine with this.
I'm glad they haven't totally nuked the card. It's still useful, even as a defensive card in a pinch. As the power levels in the game have slowly raised then having an 8/8 drop on Turn 3-4 isn't quite as frightening as it would have been 2-3 years ago.
And with the Nerf to Luna's Pocket Galaxy you will probably see more Mage players go back to this Combo. Which means you know what's coming and can Mulligan for it.
This seems good to me. Unlike the Barnes nerf, where a one turn delay of the play seems irrelevant, this might make a difference. I guess we'll see how those decks fare once this nerf goes live.
CC is powerful because it duplicates are large guy and threatens to do it again on the next turn. It's not the double summon that's the problem.
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You underestimate this nerf I mean molten reflections never was played outside of quest mage as a tempo tool, but only as an OTK enabler, this nerf is huge and will be much more severe than you think it is.
This might not have been the best way to handle the giant+conj interaction, but it's probably the easiest and required the least risk of fucking it up which is fine as long as it gets the job done.
It doesn't kill the strategy but forces it to be more interactive or come out slower. You have to stick the giant, doing the combo from hand comes out a turn later which is hard in the face of pressure.
You can't get this from magic trick anymore also. I feel like the nerf to this in general hurts cyclone / big spell more than reno.
CC is powerful because it duplicates are large guy and threatens to do it again on the next turn. It's not the double summon that's the problem.
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You underestimate this nerf I mean molten reflections never was played outside of quest mage as a tempo tool, but only as an OTK enabler, this nerf is huge and will be much more severe than you think it is.
I honestly might be too skeptical on this one. I'm just still upset about this complete cop out of a nerf when there were so many better ways to handle this.
CC is powerful because it duplicates are large guy and threatens to do it again on the next turn. It's not the double summon that's the problem.
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You underestimate this nerf I mean molten reflections never was played outside of quest mage as a tempo tool, but only as an OTK enabler, this nerf is huge and will be much more severe than you think it is.
I honestly might be too skeptical on this one. I'm just still upset about this complete cop out of a nerf when there were so many better ways to handle this.
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I watched the last omnistone show, they talked about it being a 2 mana nerf and not just 1 mana since it's a twinspell you need to pay 2 extra mana to use this card, sure they could've removed twinspell but again [Hearthstone Card (molten reflections) Not Found] was a card, and they still want mage to use CC.
I do not understand this nerf. From Blizz's explanation it was used with giants to create extremely powerful board states "at a point in the game where opponents didn't have effective answers" well I thought this was the point of the game, if you are lucky enough to get the cards you need, to get an advantage so you can win once in a while. Like a Inner Fire priest can win from nowhere all the time if he has the right cards in hand and one minion on the board.
Although I agree that it being a twinspell you have twice as much chance. This also hugely hits cyclone mage as it's also a nerf to magic trick. So basically mage had two nice decks and they destroyed them all. Guess its hunterstone again.
Personally, I find it rare that I don't have an answer for an early giant, whether its aggro with a bunch of minions, or control/mid with a spell or combo. Most of the time, its the turn 6-7 giant-conjurer combo that gets me, and this nerf delays it by a turn and also, with luna nerf, makes double-conjurer turns way less likely. I'm fine with this.
Well, with aggro you would lose all your minions (bad for aggro) or ignore the giant and risk a 7/8 taunt (or two) in your way.
With tempo/control you again have to have minions with total attack of 8 on board and lose board control completely.
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This was the right move.
It still does nothing to a naked giant on turn 3 or 4 followed by this, but it makes it more difficult to play both on the same turn.
This is hilarious... This card isn't the problem with the deck. The problem is that you can get Mountain Giant out and ping it with Conjurer's Calling to get 2 12 cost minions. Even jumping the cost of this card by one won't stop the ridiculousness of it.
If they wanted to make a good nerf to this card, what they needed to do was something like, "Summon 2 minions of the same cost that you paid to play the original minion" That way a Mountain Giant doesn't turn into 2 big scary things, only 2 mediocre minions.
Meh - decent nerf but still good - will still see play !
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Going to 4 mana is probably a good thing. I like the mechanics of the card. I would rather it have a mana adjustment then a mechanic one.
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This is a good nerf as it correctly establishes how this card is being used - in a combo manner. Making it cost 1 more mana helps aggro decks, the weakness of combo, run down the mage faster, but the nerf doesn't hugely affect the control match up, which the mage/combo deck is suppost to be at least at least a bit favored.
Ok T5, then how about changing the cards that let to the "powerful board states" be changed? Because, let's face it, there will eventually be more cards that will be broken more because of 4 mana 8/8s than because of the card's own power level. And yes, [Hearthstone Card (Conjurer’s Calling) Not Found] at 4 is still good, but the combos with the Giants will still show up in the mid game, even if a bit less often.
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Great nerf
This nerf should've been Mountain Giant. These two still curve into each other and so they will remain a problem. Mountain Giant to 15 would've been a better nerf to Conjurer's Calling than this.
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Yeah this doesn't address the snowball of turn 3 Mountain Giant into turn 4 Conjurer's Calling at all lmao.
The card is still good though. Glad they didn't butcher it completely. Although this seems like yet another 'easy way out' nerf that doesn't really address the actual problem.
ah yes, this definitely solves the issue of when you can't answer a turn 4 Mountain Giant...wait
what does this even realistically do?
Any deck that previously failed to beat doubling a 12-drop still can't do anything about it. You still get game ending swing turns with Khadgar if you ever have a minion left on the board.
The explanation makes it seem like they think the problem was using two CCs on the same turn...but it's not. If I can't kill a single Mountain Giant the turn it's played what makes you think I'll be in any better of a situation if they double it the next turn for 4 instead of 3 mana?
The only situation where this matters would be some weird turn 10 combo with a 4-cost giant, any combo involving Astromancer (the one card where this wouldn't even be nearly broken with, but thanks I guess, better not fix the inherent problem of cost reducing cards and evolve effects).
CC is powerful because it duplicates are large guy and threatens to do it again on the next turn. It's not the double summon that's the problem.
I guess they'll fix it next year when they hoF Mountain Giant and pretend ilke he was the issue all along.
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Personally, I find it rare that I don't have an answer for an early giant, whether its aggro with a bunch of minions, or control/mid with a spell or combo. Most of the time, its the turn 6-7 giant-conjurer combo that gets me, and this nerf delays it by a turn and also, with luna nerf, makes double-conjurer turns way less likely. I'm fine with this.
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I'm glad they haven't totally nuked the card. It's still useful, even as a defensive card in a pinch. As the power levels in the game have slowly raised then having an 8/8 drop on Turn 3-4 isn't quite as frightening as it would have been 2-3 years ago.
And with the Nerf to Luna's Pocket Galaxy you will probably see more Mage players go back to this Combo. Which means you know what's coming and can Mulligan for it.
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This seems good to me. Unlike the Barnes nerf, where a one turn delay of the play seems irrelevant, this might make a difference. I guess we'll see how those decks fare once this nerf goes live.
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This is good enough IMO. No more Giant on 5, double Conjurer's on 6 because you couldn't deal with an 8/8 on turn 5.
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You underestimate this nerf I mean molten reflections never was played outside of quest mage as a tempo tool, but only as an OTK enabler, this nerf is huge and will be much more severe than you think it is.
This nerf does nothing really. Mages have enough tricks to make the extra turn a non factor. The real nerf should have been to HoF the Giants.
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This was probably comming, but I would prefer to see the Mountain Giant hit instead of this. Hope it will still see play.
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This might not have been the best way to handle the giant+conj interaction, but it's probably the easiest and required the least risk of fucking it up which is fine as long as it gets the job done.
It doesn't kill the strategy but forces it to be more interactive or come out slower. You have to stick the giant, doing the combo from hand comes out a turn later which is hard in the face of pressure.
You can't get this from magic trick anymore also. I feel like the nerf to this in general hurts cyclone / big spell more than reno.
I honestly might be too skeptical on this one. I'm just still upset about this complete cop out of a nerf when there were so many better ways to handle this.
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I tried having fun once.
It was awful.
I watched the last omnistone show, they talked about it being a 2 mana nerf and not just 1 mana since it's a twinspell you need to pay 2 extra mana to use this card, sure they could've removed twinspell but again [Hearthstone Card (molten reflections) Not Found] was a card, and they still want mage to use CC.
I do not understand this nerf. From Blizz's explanation it was used with giants to create extremely powerful board states "at a point in the game where opponents didn't have effective answers" well I thought this was the point of the game, if you are lucky enough to get the cards you need, to get an advantage so you can win once in a while. Like a Inner Fire priest can win from nowhere all the time if he has the right cards in hand and one minion on the board.
Although I agree that it being a twinspell you have twice as much chance. This also hugely hits cyclone mage as it's also a nerf to magic trick. So basically mage had two nice decks and they destroyed them all. Guess its hunterstone again.
Well, with aggro you would lose all your minions (bad for aggro) or ignore the giant and risk a 7/8 taunt (or two) in your way.
With tempo/control you again have to have minions with total attack of 8 on board and lose board control completely.
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