Is it possible to play an autocomplete deck without first having seen what the AI build for you. Will the autocomplete feature use only what you have and not recommend cards to craft? This is not a troll question, I genuinely wanted to know, having never used that feature myself.
The issue is simply that Dragonqueen Alexstrasza is alot of more powerful than the other cards able to generate themselves, and given that the pool of dragons are typically stronger than others means that its easily a win condition on its own. At 0 mana, Alex is busted and easily open to abuse (copying, sent back to the deck, etc.) not to mention giving you yet another reroll at getting specific dragons.
A good comparison is with Archivist Elysiana, which is a win condition card. There's 5 discover chances, and if even one is the archivist, then the other person might as well concede.
I get that its not consistent, and can in part agree that hearthstone should drop the 'discover itself' mechanic, but if team5 decides that this is not the path they think hearthstone should be heading, I think that's a reasonable argument. At the same time, this does not mean that they should completely ignore lop sided rng effects.
This has been updated at the request of the community. After a solid amount of work to update it, we finally have one that will be updated each major expansion and update! I have done by best to provide a good understanding of how Legendaries are performing in the current DoD Standard Metagame. If you are not sure which legendary you should craft next, this is the place to ask! This is also a great way to know which packs you should be openening the most. Some weight has been given to the Tier List based on rotation.
We only recommend disenchanting golden versions of legendary cards until you know you will not buy more packs from the corresponding set. Keeping even the worst legendaries will increase your chance of getting a good one next time due to the no-duplicate rule. We will try our best to stay on top of the meta-game with updates, and hope this guide can be a valuable resource for new and veteran players alike to make better decisions with your dust!
Disclaimer: A tier list like this can never please everyone; the meta game is dynamic. If you think a card is in the wrong tier, please explain and provide links to deck lists or other data to support your claim.
Please note that some of the cards may not yet be craftable, and are received through adventures or rewards.
Descent of Dragons Deathwing, Mad Aspect - Great card in lots of Warrior decks. Dragonbane - Great card in lots of Hunter decks. Dragonqueen Alexstrasza - Staple in Highlander decks and heavy draw decks, great late-game value card. Flik Skyshiv - Staple in most Rogue Decks, doubles as board clear and tempo. Galakrond, the Tempest - Staple in Galakrond Shaman, I believe it will still be good after nerfs. Kronx Dragonhoof - Staple in all Galakrond decks.
Saviors of Uldum Corrupt the Waters - Staple for Battlecry Shaman. Dinotamer Brann - Staple in Highlander Hunter. Siamat - Staple in a variety of Highlander decks and other tempo-based decks. Zephrys the Great - Enables all Highlander Decks, arguably the most powerful individual card ever printed.
Rise of Shadows None in the DoD Meta.
Rastakhan's Rumble Shirvallah, the Tiger - Staple for OTK Paladin and most non-aggro Paladin decks. Zul'jin - Staple in Secret and Highlander Hunter decks.
The Boomsday Project Flobbidinous Floop - Staple in Malygos and Quest Druid, sees play in other Druid decks too. SN1P-SN4P - Staple in every Mech deck and many non-mech decks. Zilliax - Staple in most decks. The best healing card in the game, tons of utility.
The Witchwood Shudderwock - Staple for top tier decks Quest and Galakrond Shaman.
Classic Edwin VanCleef - Staple in almost all Rogue decks. Leeroy Jenkins - Best finisher and Staple in almost all Aggressive decks.
Descent of Dragons Ancharrr - Staple in Pirate Warrior, great winrate when played.
Saviors of Uldum Anka, the Buried - Necessary card for Deathrattle Rogue. High Priest Amet - Staple for Combo Priest, which has lost popularity since DoD. Reno the Relicologist - Staple in Highlander Mage. Unseal the Vault - Quest Hunter has been good since DoD, this card is required in that deck. Untapped Potential - Quest Druid has been a bit too slow in DoD, but will be good for a while.
Rise of Shadows Archmage Vargoth - Strong synergies in many decks, notably Token Druid and Galakrond Shaman. Heistbaron Togwaggle - Great in almost all Rogue decks due to great Lackey synergy.
Rastakhan's Rumble Wardruid Loti - Staple for Quest Druid and decent in other Druid decks.
The Boomsday Project Dr. Boom, Mad Genius - Staple for Control Warrior, much worse since nerf to 9-cost. Electra Stormsurge - Staple card for most Shaman decks (Overload, Galakrond, etc.) Kangor's Endless Army - Staple for Mech Paladin. Subject 9 - Staple in Secret and Highlander Hunter, playable in other Secret-based decks.
The Witchwood Lord Godfrey - Staple in any non-aggro Warlock Deck
Classic Alexstrasza - Versatile neutral card, playable in a wide variety of decks. Bloodmage Thalnos - Strong neutral card, playable in a variety of decks. Malygos - Staple in OTK Combo decks.
Descent of Dragons Bandersmosh - Decent highroll card. Chenvaala - Playable card in bad archetype Miracle Mage. Frizz Kindleroost - Can highroll in Dragon decks, but they are underwhelming. Goru the Mightree - Great card for Treant Druid, but not required. Malygos, Aspect of Magic - Great card in Highlander Mage and other Dragon Mage decks. Sathrovarr - Adds great value to specific decks and a staple in OTK Paladin Valdris Felgorge - Decent card for most Warlock archetypes, including Handlock. Veranus - Good card for Quest Hunter and Highlander Hunter decks. Ysera, Unleashed - Good card for Dragon Druid's late-game. Zzeraku the Warped - Good card for Handlock decks.
Saviors of Uldum Armagedillo - Good card for Warrior, not played much in Control Warrior currently. Dark Pharaoh Tekahn - Good in Warlock, but doesn't create a deck by itself. Corrupt the Waters - Staple for Battlecry Shaman. Elise the Enlightened - Good card in Highlander and Quest Druid, but replacements for value can be found. Octosari - Good card for Highlander and Aggressive decks. Sir Finley of the Sands - Highlander Paladin is rather underhwhelming, also sees play in Murloc Paladin. Vessina - Great card in Overload/Token Shaman, can be substituted with Bloodlust
Rise of Shadows Barista Lynchen - Playable in a wide variety of Battlecry-centric value decks. Catrina Muerte - Staple in resurrect combo priest. Jepetto Joybuzz - Great for enabling combo decks, but a bit too slow for DoD. Kalecgos - Staple in Highlander and Dragon Mage decks.
Rastakhan's Rumble Akali, the Rhino - Playable in Rush warrior. War Master Voone - Playable in Dragon Warrior. Zentimo - Occasional Tech pick for some Shaman Decks.
The Boomsday Project Crystalsmith Kangor - Great for any Paladin Heal effects. Luna's Pocket Galaxy - Sees play with mana-cheating in Highlander Mage. Myra's Unstable Element - Great card for Aggro Rogue archetypes. Stargazer Luna - Playable in most Mage decks. The Soularium - Strong in Zoolock and some Warlock decks, but the archetype is playable without it. Whizbang the Wonderful - From a crafting standpoint, you get more out of Whizbang than any other card. He is not Tier 1 in the DoD Meta, but I think for F2P he's amazing. I hope he becomes Classic.
The Witchwood Countess Ashmore - Versatile neutral card, playable in Warrior and Hunter decks. Darius Crowley - Good card in most Warrior decks. Houndmaster Shaw - Good card in a variety of Hunter Archetypes, doesn't see much play.
Classic Archmage Antonidas - Playable in Spell-Generation Mage and other Mage decks. Cairne Bloodhoof - Playable in deathrattle and midrange decks, low play rate. Captain Greenskin - Strong card in Pirate Warrior and some Rogue decks. Cenarius - Good in Quest Druid and some Token Druid decks. Grommash Hellscream - Playable in Rush and Tempo Warrior decks. Harrison Jones - Evergreen neutral tech card. Tirion Fordring - Great card in Highlander and other Paladin decks. Ysera - Strong, slow neutral value card.
Descent of Dragons Dragonrider Talritha - Playable in Dragon Paladin. Galakrond, the Unspeakable - Galakrond Priest has been underwhelming so far. Mindflayer Kaahrj - Decent card, but Priest struggles right now. Murozond the Infinite - Fun card, but Priest struggles right now. Nozdormu the Timeless - Seeing more play in OTK Paladin and Big Paladin. Shu'ma - Niche use for token centric decks like Quest Hunter. Waxadred - Niche card for shuffle and draw Rogue, too slow in most cases.
Saviors of Uldum Activate the Obelisk - Priest struggles right now and Quest Priest is too slow. Bazaar Burglary - Niche for Burgle Rogue. Colossus of the Moon - Niche for Big decks. Hack the System - Quest Warrior is very niche and doesn't do enough late-game. King Phaoris - Great card for Big Spell decks, but very niche and slow. Making Mummies - Quest Paladin will not get better without more Reborn minions. Raid the Sky Temple - Random Spells have been proven to be inconsistent. Supreme Archaeology - Staple in weak Plot Twist warlocks, T4 in Wild.
Rise of Shadows Blastmaster Boom - Bomb Warrior has not been great since RoS. Chef Nomi - Build-around for Nomi decks, Priest currently has the best version. Commander Rhyssa - Secret Paladin is not great and Highlander Paladin is better without secrets. Fel Lord Betrug - Staple in relatively weak Plot Twist Warlock. Keeper Stalladris - Decent card for some Druid decks. Lucentbark - Enables weak Druid Heal deck. Madame Lazul - Weak stats and questionable value. Scargil - Great card for Murloc Shaman, not playable in any other archetype. Swampqueen Hagatha - Good card as a standalone, but too slow for most DoD meta decks. The Boom Reaver - Decent card in Big Warrior.
Rastakhan's Rumble Bwonsamdi, the Dead - Sees play in Combo Priest for late-game draw. Captain Hooktusk - Playable in slower Pirate Rogue decks. Da Undatakah - Slow card with strong synergies in Mech Paladin. Gral, the Shark - Niche compared to better Draw options for Rogue. Halazzi, the Lynx - Sees some play in Quest Hunter decks, but not a Staple. High Priest Thekal - Staple in several heal-heavy decks and some play in OTK Paladin. Krag'wa, the Frog - Playable in a Aggro Shaman, but not the best option. Mojomaster Zihi - Tech card vs combo decks, struggles in the Standard Meta. Oondasta - Synergy with Witchwood Grizzly and other big beasts in control decks. Princess Talanji - Struggles to find a home after the Standard rotation.
The Boomsday Project Boommaster Flark - Niche play in Quest and Mech Hunter. Dr. Morrigan - Sees Niche play in Plot Twist Warlock. Floop's Glorious Gloop - Niche for Nomi Druid and some Quest Druid decks. Mecha'thun - Unique win condition, better in the Wild format. The Boomship - Playable in Big Warrior and some Mecha'Thun Warrior decks. The Storm Bringer - Playable in Murloc and Token Shaman decks. Zerek's Cloning Gallery - Used in some Resurrect Priest decks.
The Witchwood Azalina Soulthief - Niche as emergency hand refill in several decks. Dollmaster Dorian - Used in Plot Twist Warlock decks only. Glinda Crowskin - Niche tech in Magic Carpet zoolock, lackey synergy. Hagatha the Witch - Slower Shaman decks have been replaced by Quest Shaman, so Hagatha sees no play. Prince Liam - Niche for Aggro Paladins. Tess Greymane - Playable in Thief Rogue, low win rate. The Glass Knight - Struggles to find a home in a Paladin deck.
Classic Al'Akir the Windlord - Sees some play in Big Shaman. Baron Geddon - Very niche board clear card without a home. Deathwing - Playable rarely as a "Just in Case" board clear. Onyxia - Playable in dragon decks. Prophet Velen - Struggles to find a home in the DoD metagame and hurt by the loss of [Hearthstone Card (Mindblast) Not Found] The Black Knight - Evergreen neutral tech card, not great in the current meta but may find a place in future decks. Tinkmaster Overspark - Sees some play as neutral transform tech.
Descent of Dragons Nithogg - Very slow card for the cost and the effect may not trigger.
Saviors of Uldum None in the DoD Meta.
Rise of Shadows Khadgar - Has struggled to find a place since Conjurer's Calling got nerfed. Nozari - Unique effect, playable in Dragon Paladin but very low win rate. Oblivitron - Big Deathrattle Hunter is too slow for the DoD metagame. Tak Nozwhisker - Playable in Thief and Pogo-Hopper rogue, very low win rate. Vereesa Windrunner - Sees play in Malygos Hunter, but is too expensive for the effect. Zayle, Shadow Cloak - A poor man's Whizbang the Wonderful.
The Witchwood Archmage Arugal - Not playable in any Mage decks. Blackhowl Gunspire - Meme card, effect difficult to abuse. Chameleos - Very weak and unreliable card. Duskfallen Aviana - Enables some big plays...for your opponent. Emeriss - Slow card, useless in current hunter decks. Face Collector - Bad card. Even in Thief Rogue, low win rate. Lady in White - Playable in silence priest, low win rate. Splintergraft - Interesting, slow effect, hasn't found a home since it was released. Toki, Time-Tinker - Inconsistent value card for Mage.
Again, this guide is for Standard and I highly recommend focusing your crafting or pack purchases on the Year of the Dragon expansions. For details on how Standard will rotate, check out this thread!
Maybe they'll finally apply this to all self-generating cards!!!!
The nerf - not really necessary, but definitely a healthy move. The multiple Dragonqueen high-rolls will be missed, but really shouldn't be in the game.
I think the only reason this was nerfed, was to stealth nerf Veiled Worshipper to be less likely to play on-curve on turn 4. I'm not sure why they didn't just nerf Veiled Worshipper to 5 mana. If I wore an Aluminum Foil Hat, I might say that's because of the rarity difference between the cards.
Don't play much battlegrounds but still do from time to time.
Shudderwock hp at 1 mana will help a lot in the late game, with amalgam gone, its a suitable time to buff this.
Reversion of mana cost for Toki's hp might be a big one. Toki was one of the best heroes pre-nerf. Interesting to see whether she'll be back on top after this.
Pyramid was one of the worst heroes to pick, but that was back in the day when amalgam was meta and games had minions at over 40+ hp. Giving 3 hp is kinda a big thing, even if its random. I expect this to be mid tier at least.
Queen and patches buff, not really relevant in my opinion. Rarely seen anyone pick these heroes. Patches doing 4 damage helps out in the early game, especially on turn 3, but past that I just don't see it.
Golden Soul juggler now deal separate damage per demon is actually a buff, considering how prevalent mechs are.
Selfless hero. Lol. I don't really know how to rate this change. I've never seen anyone keep this after going past 3 stars tier.
Well, it certainly fits as a joke. I guess I misunderstood your kind intentions ;)
But jokes aside, I think the only reason why shudderwock has not been nerfed is because its both overwhelming and underwhelming at the same time. It really depends on the battlecries being played rather than the card itself. And I can't really think of a way to nerf it without completely destroying the card. In Galakrond shaman though, its at a quite oppressive level of power but as I said, I can't really think of a way to reduce its power level without completely destroying it. Wouldn't be surprising that team5's method of dealing with this is just to sweep it under the rug and wait for it to rotate from standard.
Not sure what's up with the Hench Clan Thugs but it seems to me that the autocomplete wants to build resurrect quest priest (which is a legit deck btw) by hook or by crook. You could try forcing the AI's choice by adding more invoke cards and Kronx before hitting autocomplete, I'm curious what would change.
Chi-Ji seems pretty crazy +1/+1 to Healbot for 7 extra Health, guaranteed since it turns to Armor as well.
Hmm...I was hoping Chi-Ji would be about the same, since you can only have one of the Legendary versus two of Antique Healbot...plus the game has come a long way since the days of Healbot, in terms of power-level. I can always tone down her effect.
Why, just why? Its a broken card that should consider itself lucky it doesn't get nuked to oblivion.
it's the best card ever printed, in every category. The bullet point was a joke but I sure wouldn't complain.
And for that reason it should not be in classic. Its way more powerful than most other legendaries in hearthstone history, let alone in classic. Its already creating problems for team5 in terms of card design. Its not getting calls for nerfs now because its rotating this April, but its not very far from the chopping block mind you.
as I said, it was a joke
but shudderwock has never needed a nerf. It's only been in two tier 1 decks and the one that needed a nerf had little to do with shudderwock (gala shaman).
I had the " Play three games as..." quest and one of them was priest. I hadn't played much Galakrond Priest since goofing around in week one of the expansion, so I thought I would pop over to casual and goof around with it. I am not a good deck builderso most of the time in these situations I pick the key cards I want to play with and let the game complete the deck. I grabbed Galakrond, hit autocomplete, and headed into casual to goof around with randomly generated priest minions from the invoke effect.
I was slightly confused when my opening hand had the quest in it. I opened it back in the day but have never played it because I don't much care for the style. I don't have a full collection but do have all the commons and rares from each set so I thought maybe there was some odd combination of cards I owned that did something interesting. I drew Galakrond pretty quick but was frustrated by not drawing any invoke cards. I figured it was just my luck to have all the fun aspects of the deck at the bottom. The more cards I drew, the more it looked like some odd version of quest ressurect priest. I don't own [Hearthstone Card (Catarina Muerte) Not Found] but almost everything else from that deck surfaced. Since I thought I was playing to get to Galakrond (it even put two Hench-Clan Thug in the deck), I didn't play well and lost. I decided to go back and look at the cards in my deck and discovered that there were zero invoke cards in it. That's right, it put in Kronx Dragonhoof and the thugs, but didn't give me anything else to use with it, much less upgrade to get the 5/2 claw so the thugs could get buffed. I just don't know what to think or if I can trust the autocomplete function again.
Edit: I would have to create the deck on the site to post it in the thread. It was pretty bad and I dont want anyone else thinking I really came up with it so I'll just leave it out.
Definitely think this is a good nerf. Makes it much easier to deal with without making it unplayable. Really had hoped for this in the first round of nerfs. Glad it did finally come through. Should keep the deck competitive while reducing its power level.
They could've just doubled down and not do the nerfs.
Play testers are still human, and I'd much rather that they actively correct mistakes with little tweaks rather than let this simmer down for 2 months before announcing nerfs the size of nukes.
The conditions aren't there so that there will be times during the game where you want to play them but can't, or because sometimes you will be playing them without fulfilling the requirement, but it is so that you can only play those cards in specific decks.
Just how bad is Galakrond Priest? Or the autocomplete is broken.
Is it possible to play an autocomplete deck without first having seen what the AI build for you. Will the autocomplete feature use only what you have and not recommend cards to craft? This is not a troll question, I genuinely wanted to know, having never used that feature myself.
Content suggestion: Crafting guide
This is done now, it can be found here: https://outof.cards/forums/hearthstone/card-discussion/2449-dod-legendary-tier-list-and-crafting-guide
Card Nerf - Dragonqueen Alexstrasza
The issue is simply that Dragonqueen Alexstrasza is alot of more powerful than the other cards able to generate themselves, and given that the pool of dragons are typically stronger than others means that its easily a win condition on its own. At 0 mana, Alex is busted and easily open to abuse (copying, sent back to the deck, etc.) not to mention giving you yet another reroll at getting specific dragons.
A good comparison is with Archivist Elysiana, which is a win condition card. There's 5 discover chances, and if even one is the archivist, then the other person might as well concede.
I get that its not consistent, and can in part agree that hearthstone should drop the 'discover itself' mechanic, but if team5 decides that this is not the path they think hearthstone should be heading, I think that's a reasonable argument. At the same time, this does not mean that they should completely ignore lop sided rng effects.
Card Nerf - Dragon's Pack
I think it would have been better to increase the mana to 7, and keep the +3/+3.
But, this nerf will do the trick too. Still playable, no longer stupidly broken. I really can't believe this card made it to release.
[DoD] Legendary Tier List and Crafting Guide
Welcome to the Legendary Crafting Tier List!
This has been updated at the request of the community. After a solid amount of work to update it, we finally have one that will be updated each major expansion and update! I have done by best to provide a good understanding of how Legendaries are performing in the current DoD Standard Metagame. If you are not sure which legendary you should craft next, this is the place to ask! This is also a great way to know which packs you should be openening the most. Some weight has been given to the Tier List based on rotation.
We only recommend disenchanting golden versions of legendary cards until you know you will not buy more packs from the corresponding set. Keeping even the worst legendaries will increase your chance of getting a good one next time due to the no-duplicate rule. We will try our best to stay on top of the meta-game with updates, and hope this guide can be a valuable resource for new and veteran players alike to make better decisions with your dust!
Disclaimer: A tier list like this can never please everyone; the meta game is dynamic. If you think a card is in the wrong tier, please explain and provide links to deck lists or other data to support your claim.
Please note that some of the cards may not yet be craftable, and are received through adventures or rewards.
Descent of Dragons
Deathwing, Mad Aspect - Great card in lots of Warrior decks.
Dragonbane - Great card in lots of Hunter decks.
Dragonqueen Alexstrasza - Staple in Highlander decks and heavy draw decks, great late-game value card.
Flik Skyshiv - Staple in most Rogue Decks, doubles as board clear and tempo.
Galakrond, the Tempest - Staple in Galakrond Shaman, I believe it will still be good after nerfs.
Kronx Dragonhoof - Staple in all Galakrond decks.
Galakrond, the Nightmare - Enables Galakrond Rogue decks and is good.
Galakrond, the Unbreakable - Enables Galakrond Warrior, good mid-range deck.
Galakrond, the Wretched - Galakrond Warlock is a good deck that will improve after Shaman nerfs.
Saviors of Uldum
Corrupt the Waters - Staple for Battlecry Shaman.
Dinotamer Brann - Staple in Highlander Hunter.
Siamat - Staple in a variety of Highlander decks and other tempo-based decks.
Zephrys the Great - Enables all Highlander Decks, arguably the most powerful individual card ever printed.
Rise of Shadows
None in the DoD Meta.
Rastakhan's Rumble
Shirvallah, the Tiger - Staple for OTK Paladin and most non-aggro Paladin decks.
Zul'jin - Staple in Secret and Highlander Hunter decks.
The Boomsday Project
Flobbidinous Floop - Staple in Malygos and Quest Druid, sees play in other Druid decks too.
SN1P-SN4P - Staple in every Mech deck and many non-mech decks.
Zilliax - Staple in most decks. The best healing card in the game, tons of utility.
The Witchwood
Shudderwock - Staple for top tier decks Quest and Galakrond Shaman.
Classic
Edwin VanCleef - Staple in almost all Rogue decks.
Leeroy Jenkins - Best finisher and Staple in almost all Aggressive decks.
Descent of Dragons
Ancharrr - Staple in Pirate Warrior, great winrate when played.
Saviors of Uldum
Anka, the Buried - Necessary card for Deathrattle Rogue.
High Priest Amet - Staple for Combo Priest, which has lost popularity since DoD.
Reno the Relicologist - Staple in Highlander Mage.
Unseal the Vault - Quest Hunter has been good since DoD, this card is required in that deck.
Untapped Potential - Quest Druid has been a bit too slow in DoD, but will be good for a while.
Rise of Shadows
Archmage Vargoth - Strong synergies in many decks, notably Token Druid and Galakrond Shaman.
Heistbaron Togwaggle - Great in almost all Rogue decks due to great Lackey synergy.
Rastakhan's Rumble
Wardruid Loti - Staple for Quest Druid and decent in other Druid decks.
The Boomsday Project
Dr. Boom, Mad Genius - Staple for Control Warrior, much worse since nerf to 9-cost.
Electra Stormsurge - Staple card for most Shaman decks (Overload, Galakrond, etc.)
Kangor's Endless Army - Staple for Mech Paladin.
Subject 9 - Staple in Secret and Highlander Hunter, playable in other Secret-based decks.
The Witchwood
Lord Godfrey - Staple in any non-aggro Warlock Deck
Classic
Alexstrasza - Versatile neutral card, playable in a wide variety of decks.
Bloodmage Thalnos - Strong neutral card, playable in a variety of decks.
Malygos - Staple in OTK Combo decks.
Descent of Dragons
Bandersmosh - Decent highroll card.
Chenvaala - Playable card in bad archetype Miracle Mage.
Frizz Kindleroost - Can highroll in Dragon decks, but they are underwhelming.
Goru the Mightree - Great card for Treant Druid, but not required.
Malygos, Aspect of Magic - Great card in Highlander Mage and other Dragon Mage decks.
Sathrovarr - Adds great value to specific decks and a staple in OTK Paladin
Valdris Felgorge - Decent card for most Warlock archetypes, including Handlock.
Veranus - Good card for Quest Hunter and Highlander Hunter decks.
Ysera, Unleashed - Good card for Dragon Druid's late-game.
Zzeraku the Warped - Good card for Handlock decks.
Saviors of Uldum
Armagedillo - Good card for Warrior, not played much in Control Warrior currently.
Dark Pharaoh Tekahn - Good in Warlock, but doesn't create a deck by itself.
Corrupt the Waters - Staple for Battlecry Shaman.
Elise the Enlightened - Good card in Highlander and Quest Druid, but replacements for value can be found.
Octosari - Good card for Highlander and Aggressive decks.
Sir Finley of the Sands - Highlander Paladin is rather underhwhelming, also sees play in Murloc Paladin.
Vessina - Great card in Overload/Token Shaman, can be substituted with Bloodlust
Rise of Shadows
Barista Lynchen - Playable in a wide variety of Battlecry-centric value decks.
Catrina Muerte - Staple in resurrect combo priest.
Jepetto Joybuzz - Great for enabling combo decks, but a bit too slow for DoD.
Kalecgos - Staple in Highlander and Dragon Mage decks.
Rastakhan's Rumble
Akali, the Rhino - Playable in Rush warrior.
War Master Voone - Playable in Dragon Warrior.
Zentimo - Occasional Tech pick for some Shaman Decks.
The Boomsday Project
Crystalsmith Kangor - Great for any Paladin Heal effects.
Luna's Pocket Galaxy - Sees play with mana-cheating in Highlander Mage.
Myra's Unstable Element - Great card for Aggro Rogue archetypes.
Stargazer Luna - Playable in most Mage decks.
The Soularium - Strong in Zoolock and some Warlock decks, but the archetype is playable without it.
Whizbang the Wonderful - From a crafting standpoint, you get more out of Whizbang than any other card. He is not Tier 1 in the DoD Meta, but I think for F2P he's amazing. I hope he becomes Classic.
The Witchwood
Countess Ashmore - Versatile neutral card, playable in Warrior and Hunter decks.
Darius Crowley - Good card in most Warrior decks.
Houndmaster Shaw - Good card in a variety of Hunter Archetypes, doesn't see much play.
Classic
Archmage Antonidas - Playable in Spell-Generation Mage and other Mage decks.
Cairne Bloodhoof - Playable in deathrattle and midrange decks, low play rate.
Captain Greenskin - Strong card in Pirate Warrior and some Rogue decks.
Cenarius - Good in Quest Druid and some Token Druid decks.
Grommash Hellscream - Playable in Rush and Tempo Warrior decks.
Harrison Jones - Evergreen neutral tech card.
Tirion Fordring - Great card in Highlander and other Paladin decks.
Ysera - Strong, slow neutral value card.
Descent of Dragons
Dragonrider Talritha - Playable in Dragon Paladin.
Galakrond, the Unspeakable - Galakrond Priest has been underwhelming so far.
Mindflayer Kaahrj - Decent card, but Priest struggles right now.
Murozond the Infinite - Fun card, but Priest struggles right now.
Nozdormu the Timeless - Seeing more play in OTK Paladin and Big Paladin.
Shu'ma - Niche use for token centric decks like Quest Hunter.
Waxadred - Niche card for shuffle and draw Rogue, too slow in most cases.
Saviors of Uldum
Activate the Obelisk - Priest struggles right now and Quest Priest is too slow.
Bazaar Burglary - Niche for Burgle Rogue.
Colossus of the Moon - Niche for Big decks.
Hack the System - Quest Warrior is very niche and doesn't do enough late-game.
King Phaoris - Great card for Big Spell decks, but very niche and slow.
Making Mummies - Quest Paladin will not get better without more Reborn minions.
Raid the Sky Temple - Random Spells have been proven to be inconsistent.
Supreme Archaeology - Staple in weak Plot Twist warlocks, T4 in Wild.
Rise of Shadows
Blastmaster Boom - Bomb Warrior has not been great since RoS.
Chef Nomi - Build-around for Nomi decks, Priest currently has the best version.
Commander Rhyssa - Secret Paladin is not great and Highlander Paladin is better without secrets.
Fel Lord Betrug - Staple in relatively weak Plot Twist Warlock.
Keeper Stalladris - Decent card for some Druid decks.
Lucentbark - Enables weak Druid Heal deck.
Madame Lazul - Weak stats and questionable value.
Scargil - Great card for Murloc Shaman, not playable in any other archetype.
Swampqueen Hagatha - Good card as a standalone, but too slow for most DoD meta decks.
The Boom Reaver - Decent card in Big Warrior.
Rastakhan's Rumble
Bwonsamdi, the Dead - Sees play in Combo Priest for late-game draw.
Captain Hooktusk - Playable in slower Pirate Rogue decks.
Da Undatakah - Slow card with strong synergies in Mech Paladin.
Gral, the Shark - Niche compared to better Draw options for Rogue.
Halazzi, the Lynx - Sees some play in Quest Hunter decks, but not a Staple.
High Priest Thekal - Staple in several heal-heavy decks and some play in OTK Paladin.
Krag'wa, the Frog - Playable in a Aggro Shaman, but not the best option.
Mojomaster Zihi - Tech card vs combo decks, struggles in the Standard Meta.
Oondasta - Synergy with Witchwood Grizzly and other big beasts in control decks.
Princess Talanji - Struggles to find a home after the Standard rotation.
The Boomsday Project
Boommaster Flark - Niche play in Quest and Mech Hunter.
Dr. Morrigan - Sees Niche play in Plot Twist Warlock.
Floop's Glorious Gloop - Niche for Nomi Druid and some Quest Druid decks.
Mecha'thun - Unique win condition, better in the Wild format.
The Boomship - Playable in Big Warrior and some Mecha'Thun Warrior decks.
The Storm Bringer - Playable in Murloc and Token Shaman decks.
Zerek's Cloning Gallery - Used in some Resurrect Priest decks.
The Witchwood
Azalina Soulthief - Niche as emergency hand refill in several decks.
Dollmaster Dorian - Used in Plot Twist Warlock decks only.
Glinda Crowskin - Niche tech in Magic Carpet zoolock, lackey synergy.
Hagatha the Witch - Slower Shaman decks have been replaced by Quest Shaman, so Hagatha sees no play.
Prince Liam - Niche for Aggro Paladins.
Tess Greymane - Playable in Thief Rogue, low win rate.
The Glass Knight - Struggles to find a home in a Paladin deck.
Classic
Al'Akir the Windlord - Sees some play in Big Shaman.
Baron Geddon - Very niche board clear card without a home.
Deathwing - Playable rarely as a "Just in Case" board clear.
Onyxia - Playable in dragon decks.
Prophet Velen - Struggles to find a home in the DoD metagame and hurt by the loss of [Hearthstone Card (Mindblast) Not Found]
The Black Knight - Evergreen neutral tech card, not great in the current meta but may find a place in future decks.
Tinkmaster Overspark - Sees some play as neutral transform tech.
Descent of Dragons
Nithogg - Very slow card for the cost and the effect may not trigger.
Saviors of Uldum
None in the DoD Meta.
Rise of Shadows
Khadgar - Has struggled to find a place since Conjurer's Calling got nerfed.
Nozari - Unique effect, playable in Dragon Paladin but very low win rate.
Oblivitron - Big Deathrattle Hunter is too slow for the DoD metagame.
Tak Nozwhisker - Playable in Thief and Pogo-Hopper rogue, very low win rate.
Vereesa Windrunner - Sees play in Malygos Hunter, but is too expensive for the effect.
Zayle, Shadow Cloak - A poor man's Whizbang the Wonderful.
Rastakhan's Rumble
Gonk, the Raptor - Gonk OTK decks are not viable.
Griftah - Unreliable meme card, very low win rate.
Hakkar, the Soulflayer - Playable in mill decks, much to slow for DoD metagame.
Hex Lord Malacrass - Weak card rarely used in Highlander Mage.
High Priestess Jeklik - Struggles to find a home without Discard synergies.
Hir'eek, the Bat - Sees experimental play in hand-buff zoo, very low win rate.
Jan'alai, the Dragonhawk - Not playable since Baku the Mooneater went to the HoF.
The Boomsday Project
Flark's Boom-Zooka - Bad card in all DoD Hunter decks.
Harbinger Celestia - It's a 4-mana 1/1.
Myra Rotspring - Not playable in DoD metagame.
Zerek, Master Cloner - Effect slow and difficult to make use of, low win rate.
The Witchwood
Archmage Arugal - Not playable in any Mage decks.
Blackhowl Gunspire - Meme card, effect difficult to abuse.
Chameleos - Very weak and unreliable card.
Duskfallen Aviana - Enables some big plays...for your opponent.
Emeriss - Slow card, useless in current hunter decks.
Face Collector - Bad card. Even in Thief Rogue, low win rate.
Lady in White - Playable in silence priest, low win rate.
Splintergraft - Interesting, slow effect, hasn't found a home since it was released.
Toki, Time-Tinker - Inconsistent value card for Mage.
Classic
Gruul - Very slow card
Hogger - Weak to AOE, rarely sees play anymore.
Illidan Stormrage - Rarely sees play due to cost.
King Krush - Struggles to find a home.
King Mukla - Struggles to find a home.
Lord Jaraxxus - Gets killed too easily with Burn or Zephrys the Great
Lorewalker Cho - Meme card, needed for the longest hearthstone turn ever.
Millhouse Manastorm - A liability.
Nat Pagle - Outclassed by Novice Engineer.
Nozdormu - Meme card.
The Beast - A liability.
Again, this guide is for Standard and I highly recommend focusing your crafting or pack purchases on the Year of the Dragon expansions. For details on how Standard will rotate, check out this thread!
Card Nerf - Ancharrr
Not nerfed hard enough. Should have increased cost to 4 mana as well.
Card Nerf - Dragonqueen Alexstrasza
Maybe they'll finally apply this to all self-generating cards!!!!
The nerf - not really necessary, but definitely a healthy move. The multiple Dragonqueen high-rolls will be missed, but really shouldn't be in the game.
Card Nerf - Fiendish Rites
I think the only reason this was nerfed, was to stealth nerf Veiled Worshipper to be less likely to play on-curve on turn 4. I'm not sure why they didn't just nerf Veiled Worshipper to 5 mana. If I wore an Aluminum Foil Hat, I might say that's because of the rarity difference between the cards.
Card Nerf - Dragonqueen Alexstrasza
This is literally what i just wrote in my 4th paragraph.
I bet those who downvoted me are also those who complain of lack of consistency in HS...
7 Hearthstone Cards are Getting Nerfed! The January Hearthstone Balance Patch Notes with Battlegrounds Changes
Don't play much battlegrounds but still do from time to time.
Shudderwock hp at 1 mana will help a lot in the late game, with amalgam gone, its a suitable time to buff this.
Reversion of mana cost for Toki's hp might be a big one. Toki was one of the best heroes pre-nerf. Interesting to see whether she'll be back on top after this.
Pyramid was one of the worst heroes to pick, but that was back in the day when amalgam was meta and games had minions at over 40+ hp. Giving 3 hp is kinda a big thing, even if its random. I expect this to be mid tier at least.
Queen and patches buff, not really relevant in my opinion. Rarely seen anyone pick these heroes. Patches doing 4 damage helps out in the early game, especially on turn 3, but past that I just don't see it.
Golden Soul juggler now deal separate damage per demon is actually a buff, considering how prevalent mechs are.
Selfless hero. Lol. I don't really know how to rate this change. I've never seen anyone keep this after going past 3 stars tier.
7 Hearthstone Cards are Getting Nerfed! The January Hearthstone Balance Patch Notes with Battlegrounds Changes
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7 Hearthstone Cards are Getting Nerfed! The January Hearthstone Balance Patch Notes with Battlegrounds Changes
Sigh. And still no buff to Galakrond Priest
What NEW thing do you think would benefit Hearthstone?
Well, it certainly fits as a joke. I guess I misunderstood your kind intentions ;)
But jokes aside, I think the only reason why shudderwock has not been nerfed is because its both overwhelming and underwhelming at the same time. It really depends on the battlecries being played rather than the card itself. And I can't really think of a way to nerf it without completely destroying the card. In Galakrond shaman though, its at a quite oppressive level of power but as I said, I can't really think of a way to reduce its power level without completely destroying it. Wouldn't be surprising that team5's method of dealing with this is just to sweep it under the rug and wait for it to rotate from standard.
[Game] Card Treasure Hunt (The Resurrection Attempt)
Nope. The "Rooster" might not be familiar to veterans of Hearthstone.
Just how bad is Galakrond Priest? Or the autocomplete is broken.
Not sure what's up with the Hench Clan Thugs but it seems to me that the autocomplete wants to build resurrect quest priest (which is a legit deck btw) by hook or by crook. You could try forcing the AI's choice by adding more invoke cards and Kronx before hitting autocomplete, I'm curious what would change.
Fan Community Spotlight - linkblade91's "The Trials Within Us"
Thank you :)
Custom Expansion - The Trials Within Us
Hmm...I was hoping Chi-Ji would be about the same, since you can only have one of the Legendary versus two of Antique Healbot...plus the game has come a long way since the days of Healbot, in terms of power-level. I can always tone down her effect.
What NEW thing do you think would benefit Hearthstone?
as I said, it was a joke
but shudderwock has never needed a nerf. It's only been in two tier 1 decks and the one that needed a nerf had little to do with shudderwock (gala shaman).
Just how bad is Galakrond Priest? Or the autocomplete is broken.
I had the " Play three games as..." quest and one of them was priest. I hadn't played much Galakrond Priest since goofing around in week one of the expansion, so I thought I would pop over to casual and goof around with it. I am not a good deck builderso most of the time in these situations I pick the key cards I want to play with and let the game complete the deck. I grabbed Galakrond, hit autocomplete, and headed into casual to goof around with randomly generated priest minions from the invoke effect.
I was slightly confused when my opening hand had the quest in it. I opened it back in the day but have never played it because I don't much care for the style. I don't have a full collection but do have all the commons and rares from each set so I thought maybe there was some odd combination of cards I owned that did something interesting. I drew Galakrond pretty quick but was frustrated by not drawing any invoke cards. I figured it was just my luck to have all the fun aspects of the deck at the bottom. The more cards I drew, the more it looked like some odd version of quest ressurect priest. I don't own [Hearthstone Card (Catarina Muerte) Not Found] but almost everything else from that deck surfaced. Since I thought I was playing to get to Galakrond (it even put two Hench-Clan Thug in the deck), I didn't play well and lost. I decided to go back and look at the cards in my deck and discovered that there were zero invoke cards in it. That's right, it put in Kronx Dragonhoof and the thugs, but didn't give me anything else to use with it, much less upgrade to get the 5/2 claw so the thugs could get buffed. I just don't know what to think or if I can trust the autocomplete function again.
Edit: I would have to create the deck on the site to post it in the thread. It was pretty bad and I dont want anyone else thinking I really came up with it so I'll just leave it out.
We're Getting an Update this Week on Legends of Runeterra
I need more things for LOR. I didn't play any single game from last time we can play because of boring in meta game!
Custom Expansion - The Trials Within Us
Chi-Ji seems pretty crazy +1/+1 to Healbot for 7 extra Health, guaranteed since it turns to Armor as well.
Card Nerf - Dragon's Pack
Definitely think this is a good nerf. Makes it much easier to deal with without making it unplayable. Really had hoped for this in the first round of nerfs. Glad it did finally come through. Should keep the deck competitive while reducing its power level.
7 Hearthstone Cards are Getting Nerfed! The January Hearthstone Balance Patch Notes with Battlegrounds Changes
They could've just doubled down and not do the nerfs.
Play testers are still human, and I'd much rather that they actively correct mistakes with little tweaks rather than let this simmer down for 2 months before announcing nerfs the size of nukes.
7 Hearthstone Cards are Getting Nerfed! The January Hearthstone Balance Patch Notes with Battlegrounds Changes
The conditions aren't there so that there will be times during the game where you want to play them but can't, or because sometimes you will be playing them without fulfilling the requirement, but it is so that you can only play those cards in specific decks.
Card Nerf - Scion of Ruin
Good Nerf.
Card is still very good IMO.
3/2 x 3 with Rush on 4 is still very strong.
Ritual Chopper to Awaken! to Scion of Ruin is still a strong tempo play.