Very nice work, the art and the flavor is great! I also like the new keyword and the fact that the powerlevel is a little too high overall, just like a custom expansion should be :)
Thanks for the inclusion! If anyone's looking for a guide for Deathrattle Hunter, Swizard has posted an article with a nearly identical list and a detailed description of how to play the deck last week.
Thanks for the offer Lemushki, I only saw it just now. I'll just go with the Rogue picture being a little off, that's just how life is sometimes.
So here we go, I finally got around to buying new frames, painting them and printing the missing screenshots. My Hearthstone wall of fame is up to date again!
I'm a bit torn on this one. I like the flavor you're aiming at, but it feels a little forced not to use Honorable Kill since the effect is already in the game with Korrak the Bloodrager. Some might consider it a power crept Redemption but I think there are enough differences between the cards to go with it. Finally, the art is a little on the edge of what HS should look like for me. I'd rather expect this on a Runeterra card I guess? So all in all I totally get why you don't want to submit a card that's similar to linkblade's but I still like your initial idea much more.
BasilAnguis
I really like the flavor! The facts that it's a 5 Mana do nothing and that you will burn a card more often than not when the Deathrattle goes off lead me to think it might even be okay as an Epic. Make sure to change the watermark (and the name) before you submit!
daybreaks
Hey there, welcome to this part of OOC! Very nice idea you brought out as your first contribution. I do agree with Demon though, big AOE wouldn't fit Paladin's class identity very well. That can easily be fixed by reducing the amount of Health that gets restored though (which in turn would make a change of the cost necessary). As the others have already pointed out, don't forget about the spell school tag and if in doubt, always go with a custom watermark. Good luck in your first competition!
Thanks for your help! I know I'll have to take a second look at balance and execution (spelling error, italic text...), I just wanted to hear your thoughts about the wording of the buffing effect and quickly posted right before dozing off last night :)
Thanks for your kind words, Demon. You actually made me think of something, but I could use some help with the wording since there's no precedence. How would you phrase a buff per excess damage effect? Like if you deal 3 excess damage, you buff by +3/+3. Something like this?
Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts Flux! Very cool to hear about how much is possible and the efforts you're willing to make, we certainly appreciate it!
One thing I'd like to clarify about the battle of the cards aspect is that you'd get to see two random cards in the first display and pick your favorite. The next choice would be between your favorite from the first pick and another random card you haven't seen up to this point. That way you could get to see all of them in as much time as we use now. Here's an example from a German news site that lets you choose the best outfit worn at the Oscars in 2020 (scroll down until you see two pictures of people next to each other and click on the one you like better):
Meh, guess my card is overpowered and boring at the same time. I'll see if I find the time to think of something else. Thanks for all your feedback, here are my thoughts on your cards:
Wailor
I really like the flavor of the new Souldrinker, but I'm not a big fan of the art as it's Demon Hunter's WoW mount art (which has another name) if I remember correctly and it's just too dark and too detailed to look good on top of that. Balancing the stats of this one is super tricky, you've done a good job of it as far as I can tell though. The C'Thun alternative is a cool idea as well, but I'd up the damage to make it more worth the Mana (like 6 damage or something).
linkblade91
Nice flavor, very fitting for the new expansion. I could see this being printed actually, it has just the right amount of randomness for its cost. Fair warning: I might give you only 4 stars if you don't add a token.
AeroJulwin
Very cool idea, even if it looks a little complicated for a 1 drop. I really don't like the art though and agree with linkblade about the spelling ("Stores").
Demonxz95
An interesting idea, new mechanics are always exciting. I have to agree with much of the other's feedback though, even with Druid's ways to ramp and Mana Cheat this might be too expensive. Maybe you could reduce the cost and the number of cards drawn or put it on a stick (probably too close to Octosari, meh) or do something similar to Cannonmaster Smythe and transform all excess cards into treants?
Hey, thanks for your reply Demon and letting us know what the thoughts of the staff are so far. I won't try to change your mind about the things you've agreed upon and discarded already, but I'd like to focus the spotlight on one of the ideas that haven't been discussed much yet.
What honestly really pisses me off majorly are the ratings in the finalist voting. Each and every week the ratings of the cards go waaaaay down during the finalist voting and I just don't get why. There may be the rare exception to the rule but I just don't see how anybody could give 1 or 2 stars to our finalists applying fair rules. Those cards are generally balanced, flavorful and neatly executed. This gets not reflected in their ratings at all.
Now what might take the sting from this issue would be to not rate them card for card anymore, but instead ordering them from first place to last (or maybe just picking the top 3). That's what most people seem to do anyway: pick your favorite and downvote all the rest to oblivion. KANSAS' idea of having "card battles" where you always see two cards and pick your favorite would be another iteration of the same concept. Do you think this would be possible from a programming point of view?
On second thought, is this a problem for anyone else at all? What it comes down to is that I'm fine with getting told that the 7 other cards are better than mine / my favorite, but I can't seem to get over good cards getting rated a 2.something average.
Regarding prices, maybe we can talk Flux into dishing out a bronze Premium membership for a year for the person who accumulates the most wins during one season. In case of a draw I'd greatly enjoy a deciding competition. This could be epic! On top of that, we could also do a final vote for the card of the season.
When it comes to encourage participation, most of the above aims at just that. Picking up what Wailor said, I'd encourage Shadows to reach out to the winner of each competition and let them share their thoughts about their card in a weekly article like in the spotlight articles Demon does but smaller. This could be seen as some further encouragement and a reminder at the same time. Should be completely voluntarily of course.
Thanks for bringing this up again. Honestly I was a little disappointed when Season 5 started without any changes to the system. I do know how life gets in the ways of plans we have and while the card design competitions surely are a great way to entertain ourselves, there are far higher priorities. I hope everything worked out in the best possible way for Shadows!
- Finalist Voting or nah? We couldn't reach an agreement about the idea of abolishing the finalist voting. The point stands though that participation goes way down during the finalist voting, partly due to the fact that the finalists can not vote themselves.
- New rating system? The idea of a new rating system didn't find many supporters. It was meant to serve the purpose of avoiding too harsh ratings. If someone is forced to rate balance and flavor seperately for example, an OP but flavorful card might come out with a better rating than with the current system, where people might just go "OP! 1 star!". There were different ideas for the execution of this like adding categories to rate the cards in or extending the star system. Another interesting option that came up for the finalist voting asks the voters to put the submissions into their prefered order.
- Quality of life improvements The description boxes for each card should be visible in the finalist voting. It would help to see the cards on our voting pages and in the finalist voting ordered by how many stars we gave them in the first voting stage. Rewards (not only for the winners?) would be nice :)
Cool idea! Multi-targeting is something that has yet to be explored in depth and this is a very flavorful way to do that. The card as well as the Hero Power are rather on the complicated side of the spectrum, but everything that helps Ragers to get the glory they deserve earns at least 4 stars in my books.
Wailor
I totally agree with you - the prompt only looks simple at first glance. As usual, your card is one of my favorites. I love the names of the Hero and its Power, the Battlecry fits the classes very well and it's nice to see a 4 costed Hero. Great work!
Demonxz95
Sorry but I don't get the effect. How does the copying happen? The Hero Power looks interesting, but a little too RNG heavy for my taste.
Neoguli
Nice idea. It's rather creative to unite DH and Mage, but I agree that the artwork looks nasty! The effects of the Hero and her Power take some getting used to, but I like the consistency you've added to them by the improvements the tokens get. I'm a bit rusty, but doesn't the token need a watermark? Not sure about the Cost of the Hero Power either. 2 Mana would probably be better, but I get that you need to keep the connection to DH. Hmmmmm.
BasilAnguis
The flavor is over the top, what a great idea! Fix the art of the second token and go collect your 5 stars!
Feedback would be very welcome, I've got one or two more interesting art pieces if Zaela doesn't vibe with you people. I'll add some thoughts of my own about your cards soonish.
Congrats linkblade!
Very nice work, the art and the flavor is great! I also like the new keyword and the fact that the powerlevel is a little too high overall, just like a custom expansion should be :)
Thanks for the inclusion! If anyone's looking for a guide for Deathrattle Hunter, Swizard has posted an article with a nearly identical list and a detailed description of how to play the deck last week.
Congrats to RenoLord!
Thanks for the offer Lemushki, I only saw it just now. I'll just go with the Rogue picture being a little off, that's just how life is sometimes.
So here we go, I finally got around to buying new frames, painting them and printing the missing screenshots. My Hearthstone wall of fame is up to date again!
Some late feedback:
Thanks for your help! I know I'll have to take a second look at balance and execution (spelling error, italic text...), I just wanted to hear your thoughts about the wording of the buffing effect and quickly posted right before dozing off last night :)
Thanks for your kind words, Demon. You actually made me think of something, but I could use some help with the wording since there's no precedence. How would you phrase a buff per excess damage effect? Like if you deal 3 excess damage, you buff by +3/+3. Something like this?
Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts Flux! Very cool to hear about how much is possible and the efforts you're willing to make, we certainly appreciate it!
One thing I'd like to clarify about the battle of the cards aspect is that you'd get to see two random cards in the first display and pick your favorite. The next choice would be between your favorite from the first pick and another random card you haven't seen up to this point. That way you could get to see all of them in as much time as we use now. Here's an example from a German news site that lets you choose the best outfit worn at the Oscars in 2020 (scroll down until you see two pictures of people next to each other and click on the one you like better):
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spiegel.de/stil/oscars-2020-diese-outfits-trugen-die-stars-auf-dem-roten-teppich-a-f5e827b1-cc50-4106-b7cd-3b050d23ca28-amp
I'd be super excited to try this or the top 3 which need to be put in order with a slight favor to the latter.
Meh, guess my card is overpowered and boring at the same time. I'll see if I find the time to think of something else. Thanks for all your feedback, here are my thoughts on your cards:
Hey, thanks for your reply Demon and letting us know what the thoughts of the staff are so far. I won't try to change your mind about the things you've agreed upon and discarded already, but I'd like to focus the spotlight on one of the ideas that haven't been discussed much yet.
What honestly really pisses me off majorly are the ratings in the finalist voting. Each and every week the ratings of the cards go waaaaay down during the finalist voting and I just don't get why. There may be the rare exception to the rule but I just don't see how anybody could give 1 or 2 stars to our finalists applying fair rules. Those cards are generally balanced, flavorful and neatly executed. This gets not reflected in their ratings at all.
Now what might take the sting from this issue would be to not rate them card for card anymore, but instead ordering them from first place to last (or maybe just picking the top 3). That's what most people seem to do anyway: pick your favorite and downvote all the rest to oblivion. KANSAS' idea of having "card battles" where you always see two cards and pick your favorite would be another iteration of the same concept. Do you think this would be possible from a programming point of view?
On second thought, is this a problem for anyone else at all? What it comes down to is that I'm fine with getting told that the 7 other cards are better than mine / my favorite, but I can't seem to get over good cards getting rated a 2.something average.
Regarding prices, maybe we can talk Flux into dishing out a bronze Premium membership for a year for the person who accumulates the most wins during one season. In case of a draw I'd greatly enjoy a deciding competition. This could be epic! On top of that, we could also do a final vote for the card of the season.
When it comes to encourage participation, most of the above aims at just that. Picking up what Wailor said, I'd encourage Shadows to reach out to the winner of each competition and let them share their thoughts about their card in a weekly article like in the spotlight articles Demon does but smaller. This could be seen as some further encouragement and a reminder at the same time. Should be completely voluntarily of course.
Something simple for starters. I know there's a clash with the name of the Paladin hero power, but it looks like that can't be helped in this case.
Great work everybody! I can't remember the last time I rated so many cards 4 or 5 stars. Good luck to all of you!
Thanks for bringing this up again. Honestly I was a little disappointed when Season 5 started without any changes to the system. I do know how life gets in the ways of plans we have and while the card design competitions surely are a great way to entertain ourselves, there are far higher priorities. I hope everything worked out in the best possible way for Shadows!
So I've dug up last years thread and here's a short recap:
- Finalist Voting or nah?
We couldn't reach an agreement about the idea of abolishing the finalist voting. The point stands though that participation goes way down during the finalist voting, partly due to the fact that the finalists can not vote themselves.
- New rating system?
The idea of a new rating system didn't find many supporters. It was meant to serve the purpose of avoiding too harsh ratings. If someone is forced to rate balance and flavor seperately for example, an OP but flavorful card might come out with a better rating than with the current system, where people might just go "OP! 1 star!". There were different ideas for the execution of this like adding categories to rate the cards in or extending the star system. Another interesting option that came up for the finalist voting asks the voters to put the submissions into their prefered order.
- Quality of life improvements
The description boxes for each card should be visible in the finalist voting. It would help to see the cards on our voting pages and in the finalist voting ordered by how many stars we gave them in the first voting stage. Rewards (not only for the winners?) would be nice :)
It will be really interesting to see how they'll compensate the players who bought Diamond Drek'Thar. Even more so those who paid with $$.
Feedback time!
Looks like I'll be able to participate this week. Here's my first idea:
In Standard there are 2 good outcomes from the Beast pool (Frostsaber Matriarch, Mountain Bear), 1 is okay (Thickhide Kodo), 4 are meh (Ironfur Grizzly, Silverback Patriarch, Encumbered Pack Mule, Toad of the Wilds). I could use a cost restriction to influence the outcome, but I prefer the textbox to not get too crammed.
Feedback would be very welcome, I've got one or two more interesting art pieces if Zaela doesn't vibe with you people. I'll add some thoughts of my own about your cards soonish.
Congrats! Guess today I learned not to submit half assed cards when I don't have the time for something better. Whelp!
Thanks! I'll take a look into it when I feel the Standard itch again. The Wild version isn't working out very well sadly :/
Nice, which deck are you using? Fallugaloog has shared one that looks interesting...