Also, I love that they added a Wild card pack as well as potentially adding "Year of" packs for each Hearthstone year, and maybe one for the first two years. I have some gaps in my Wild collection, especially in the really early years. As in GvG and TGT! Yes, TGT sucks but that doesn't mean I don't need them in my collection so I can satisfy my crippling addiction to this children's card game! Ha ha ha... seriously, I think I have an issue!
For the Wild and Standard packs, I haven't seen anything about if they have a guaranteed legendary in the first 10 packs. So I did some science (kind of)!
On my main account, I just wanted to buy some Wild packs so I bought 10 straight away for the 1000 gold. 7th pack I opened Sindragosa, which I know isn't really that good in today's Wild meta, but I've always wanted her so that was nice!
On my alt account I bought some of each, one at a time, up to 10 packs to see what would happen. Standard pack #1 had a golden Instructor Fireheart. Wild pack #5 had a Mal'Ganis.
So the result was that either I am extremely lucky today and should keep opening packs, or these new Standard and Wild packs likely have the "first ten" guarantee which increased my odds to have such amazing luck opening those.
I didn't test the Standard packs on my main account because frankly, I have them all. With as much time as I play, a pre-order and hoarded gold have been enough for me to do so ever since duplicate protection went into place. (I also DE any unneeded golden copies, so my dust reserves are usually enough to fill in any gaps). So I am saving that pack type for the next expansion to sneak in a second "first ten" legendary unpacking. Unless the legendaries all suck, they I will wait for the expansion after that!
Has anyone had a different experience where you opened your first ten of these new pack types and didn't get a legendary? I know the "Year of" packs don't seem to have that guarantee, but seems to me the Standard and Wild packs follow the usual rules.
Okay, so I believe all packs have a pity timer (of 40) but not all have the "First Ten" legendary guarantee.
Now, as for these Wild packs, I am at a solid maybe right now. It might have just been dumb luck, but I bought 10 of them and opened Sindragosa in the 7th pack. So again, maybe I just got lucky, or maybe they have the guarantee in the first ten packs. It's honestly unclear. But just in case, I'm waiting until the next expansion to get any Standard packs to see if I can sneak in an early legendary that way.
EDIT: I took it a little further and on an alt account I bought packs one at a time until 10 to see if both the Standard and Wild packs would give me a legendary.
Results: Standard pack #1 dropped a golden Instructor Fireheart, while Wild pack #5 dropped a Mal'Ganis. As stated above, I'm not opening standard packs until next expansion, but I've gone 3 for 3 with the Standard packs on my alt and the Wild packs on alt and main to get a legendary within 10 packs. So either I'm very very lucky today or they have a guaranteed legendary on the first 10 packs.
Guessing usual patch delay on mobile?! Got a notification about card backs in shop but there was no update, can’t get the bundle in the shop, and no card packs/portraits in shop either.
The idea is great, but the potential to completely whiff if you do the Plot Twist combo turn early to make the Illusionist, Mecha'thun, and Cataclysm cost HP instead of Mana is too high. Technically you only need the Mecha'thun to be converted to costing HP though, so... maybe not as difficult? But it'll still all depend on how fast you can draw through your deck and play a set up turn without dying. To guarantee hitting the right card(s) on the set up you'd need to play Stealer+Twist when your deck is empty or damn close. Given how fast Wild is, especially things like APM Mage right now, you're dead before you can get that guarantee. So you go early with no guarantee of hitting all the combo pieces and hope to high roll. And if you do high roll, you just hope to survive until your deck is empty.
Again, great idea! But until I can see it in action I would doubt the deck's ability to completely break Wild.
I honestly think if they do Lich King or something else it would just be like the Elise scenario theorized earlier: Frostmourne is diamond, but unless the minion has a diamond version anything it resummons is golden. Or just hard code it that any minions it resummons are golden, period! Even if they have a golden version.
A side topic of this, and I haven't seen it yet, what happens if you evovle, devolve, or transform a diamond minion? Is the resulting minion/token golden? They certainly can't be diamond unless you get extremely lucky somehow. But overall, this could give us a clue to how Team5 would treat a situation like Frostmourne, or another diamond card that can generate cards without a diamond version.
So, I like the suggestions and thoughts. But I doubt cards like Elise will get the Diamond treatment. When golden cards generate other cards they are also golden! So Elise would make a diamond pack, which when opened should generate 5 diamond cards. This would mean they would need to have a diamond version of ALL Un’goro cards. And some of those might be able to generate cards outside of their set, so now you’ve got a whole mess! The only real solution would be to have her shuffle a golden Un’goro pack. As in it could be a diamond card, but the pack it opens is a golden pack.
Lich King on the other hand could be a real possibility. Yes he generates cards, but it’s a small controlled group of cards that don’t generate anything outside of that group. The biggest issue is the minions resummoned by Frostmourne.??I guess resummon them as golden minions unless they have a diamond version?
Not exactly the same, but I had an old meme deck that I originally made around one of the Fire Festivals and the entire deck was built around getting multiple copies of Ragnaros on board with a Drakkari Enchanter to watch fire rain down on your opponent like it was a second Cataclysm! It did pretty well for a while, but as is would likely be freaking awful right now.
Perhaps with some updating it could live again. It's here if anyone is curious and wants to give it a look. I could usually get 3 Rags and Drakkari if I had time to set up, but I think I got 4 Rags and the Drakkari in one and only one game over the time that I played it.
Not sure about card game popularity as a whole in China or the rest of the Eastern part of the world, but I believe MtG wasn’t selling product in China until 2008 or so. And then games such as Yu-Gi-Oh from Japan don’t have set rotation, only ban and limited lists to restrict use of cards that are too powerful for competitive play. Outside of those bans, all cards throughout the game’s history can be used in competition.
So Wild is likely more popular just because a lot of popular physical card games in the East may not have rotations in their competition rules. So a format like Wild may just seems more normal to them on that side of the world!
Initial reaction: I think the card is awesome! That said, it might be too expensive to really make an impact in the current meta. If it becomes more control or combo oriented, then Mutanus can shine. But right now... maybe if it was 6 mana.
A few days ago I loaded up a Mecha’thun list to achievement hunt the “swap a 0 cost with a 10 cost” Vol’jin achieve. Got it the second game. Also got a friend request. I accepted to hear (sarcastic) praise of how skilled I am. So yeah... the Unlicensed Apothecary in this list caught my eye! The interaction with Mosher negates the downside for a turn. Quite brilliant
A lot of reading news, occasionally posting a deck if I make one I think is fun and want to share, and occasionally getting involved in posts like this. But then I often delete my comment instead of posting because the thought creeps into my head, "No one cares what I think..."
I might also check in for some deck ideas if I am not sure what I want to play, or just getting frustrated with the deck I am playing currently. So you know... not much!
An update to Dungeon Run could be cool. Or a better idea, just give us a new version DR to go along with an expansion.
As an example: If the three expansions this year go Horde, Alliance, H vs A in an old WoW BG setting like AV they could just do an updated type of Dungeon Run based around the BG.
Pretty sure they said with the Darkmoon expansion that there would be a mini set with every expansion moving forward. Generally can be expected about halfway between expansions, or around 2 months after the main expansion release.
We'll see how it goes! I feel like last month the majority of responses were all "Why would I play that trash?!"
So I'm not optimistic (on ranked at least, maybe casual will be easier to find a Speedstone match). But last month I ended up playing several games against a friend where we built decks with Noz because I found no one throughout the day to fight. We had some of the "let me swap one card in this deck I already use" decks as well as a few where they were brand new. My buddy made a Bronze Dragonflight Paladin! He literally just made a Paladin deck, shoved in as many bronze dragons as he could, and a few dragon synergy cards. These were Wild decks too so he had plenty to choose from, like Dragon Consort to make his Noz cost 5 (if he played him next).
My favorite I made was a Malygos Warlock with Noz. If I could get him reduced with Frizz Kindleroost he was a 5 mana 8/8. If I couldn't get him reduced, I just wouldn't play him ever so that he was there to activate my 2x Nether Breath.
I love the idea of this and will likely take part. But I feel like I could spend the entire day queuing decks with Noz and maybe get one game where his effect activates
Also, I love that they added a Wild card pack as well as potentially adding "Year of" packs for each Hearthstone year, and maybe one for the first two years. I have some gaps in my Wild collection, especially in the really early years. As in GvG and TGT! Yes, TGT sucks but that doesn't mean I don't need them in my collection so I can satisfy my crippling addiction to this children's card game! Ha ha ha... seriously, I think I have an issue!
For the Wild and Standard packs, I haven't seen anything about if they have a guaranteed legendary in the first 10 packs. So I did some science (kind of)!
On my main account, I just wanted to buy some Wild packs so I bought 10 straight away for the 1000 gold. 7th pack I opened Sindragosa, which I know isn't really that good in today's Wild meta, but I've always wanted her so that was nice!
On my alt account I bought some of each, one at a time, up to 10 packs to see what would happen. Standard pack #1 had a golden Instructor Fireheart. Wild pack #5 had a Mal'Ganis.
So the result was that either I am extremely lucky today and should keep opening packs, or these new Standard and Wild packs likely have the "first ten" guarantee which increased my odds to have such amazing luck opening those.
I didn't test the Standard packs on my main account because frankly, I have them all. With as much time as I play, a pre-order and hoarded gold have been enough for me to do so ever since duplicate protection went into place. (I also DE any unneeded golden copies, so my dust reserves are usually enough to fill in any gaps). So I am saving that pack type for the next expansion to sneak in a second "first ten" legendary unpacking. Unless the legendaries all suck, they I will wait for the expansion after that!
Has anyone had a different experience where you opened your first ten of these new pack types and didn't get a legendary? I know the "Year of" packs don't seem to have that guarantee, but seems to me the Standard and Wild packs follow the usual rules.
Okay, so I believe all packs have a pity timer (of 40) but not all have the "First Ten" legendary guarantee.
Now, as for these Wild packs, I am at a solid maybe right now. It might have just been dumb luck, but I bought 10 of them and opened Sindragosa in the 7th pack. So again, maybe I just got lucky, or maybe they have the guarantee in the first ten packs. It's honestly unclear. But just in case, I'm waiting until the next expansion to get any Standard packs to see if I can sneak in an early legendary that way.
EDIT: I took it a little further and on an alt account I bought packs one at a time until 10 to see if both the Standard and Wild packs would give me a legendary.
Results: Standard pack #1 dropped a golden Instructor Fireheart, while Wild pack #5 dropped a Mal'Ganis. As stated above, I'm not opening standard packs until next expansion, but I've gone 3 for 3 with the Standard packs on my alt and the Wild packs on alt and main to get a legendary within 10 packs. So either I'm very very lucky today or they have a guaranteed legendary on the first 10 packs.
Guessing usual patch delay on mobile?! Got a notification about card backs in shop but there was no update, can’t get the bundle in the shop, and no card packs/portraits in shop either.
The “Year of..” packs don’t, so I’m not sure about these.
The idea is great, but the potential to completely whiff if you do the Plot Twist combo turn early to make the Illusionist, Mecha'thun, and Cataclysm cost HP instead of Mana is too high. Technically you only need the Mecha'thun to be converted to costing HP though, so... maybe not as difficult? But it'll still all depend on how fast you can draw through your deck and play a set up turn without dying. To guarantee hitting the right card(s) on the set up you'd need to play Stealer+Twist when your deck is empty or damn close. Given how fast Wild is, especially things like APM Mage right now, you're dead before you can get that guarantee. So you go early with no guarantee of hitting all the combo pieces and hope to high roll. And if you do high roll, you just hope to survive until your deck is empty.
Again, great idea! But until I can see it in action I would doubt the deck's ability to completely break Wild.
Well it's been in the store for either money or gold twice before this already so, yes. They've been over for a while.
I honestly think if they do Lich King or something else it would just be like the Elise scenario theorized earlier: Frostmourne is diamond, but unless the minion has a diamond version anything it resummons is golden. Or just hard code it that any minions it resummons are golden, period! Even if they have a golden version.
A side topic of this, and I haven't seen it yet, what happens if you evovle, devolve, or transform a diamond minion? Is the resulting minion/token golden? They certainly can't be diamond unless you get extremely lucky somehow. But overall, this could give us a clue to how Team5 would treat a situation like Frostmourne, or another diamond card that can generate cards without a diamond version.
So, I like the suggestions and thoughts. But I doubt cards like Elise will get the Diamond treatment. When golden cards generate other cards they are also golden! So Elise would make a diamond pack, which when opened should generate 5 diamond cards. This would mean they would need to have a diamond version of ALL Un’goro cards. And some of those might be able to generate cards outside of their set, so now you’ve got a whole mess! The only real solution would be to have her shuffle a golden Un’goro pack. As in it could be a diamond card, but the pack it opens is a golden pack.
Lich King on the other hand could be a real possibility. Yes he generates cards, but it’s a small controlled group of cards that don’t generate anything outside of that group. The biggest issue is the minions resummoned by Frostmourne.??I guess resummon them as golden minions unless they have a diamond version?
Not exactly the same, but I had an old meme deck that I originally made around one of the Fire Festivals and the entire deck was built around getting multiple copies of Ragnaros on board with a Drakkari Enchanter to watch fire rain down on your opponent like it was a second Cataclysm! It did pretty well for a while, but as is would likely be freaking awful right now.
Perhaps with some updating it could live again. It's here if anyone is curious and wants to give it a look. I could usually get 3 Rags and Drakkari if I had time to set up, but I think I got 4 Rags and the Drakkari in one and only one game over the time that I played it.
Not sure about card game popularity as a whole in China or the rest of the Eastern part of the world, but I believe MtG wasn’t selling product in China until 2008 or so. And then games such as Yu-Gi-Oh from Japan don’t have set rotation, only ban and limited lists to restrict use of cards that are too powerful for competitive play. Outside of those bans, all cards throughout the game’s history can be used in competition.
So Wild is likely more popular just because a lot of popular physical card games in the East may not have rotations in their competition rules. So a format like Wild may just seems more normal to them on that side of the world!
Initial reaction: I think the card is awesome! That said, it might be too expensive to really make an impact in the current meta. If it becomes more control or combo oriented, then Mutanus can shine. But right now... maybe if it was 6 mana.
So someone made a brand new profile to jump on this old thread and be like "HEARTHSTONE BAD!!!" Cool...
A few days ago I loaded up a Mecha’thun list to achievement hunt the “swap a 0 cost with a 10 cost” Vol’jin achieve. Got it the second game. Also got a friend request. I accepted to hear (sarcastic) praise of how skilled I am. So yeah... the Unlicensed Apothecary in this list caught my eye! The interaction with Mosher negates the downside for a turn. Quite brilliant
Good point! Likely a reason why she or any other random X generator won’t be Diamond.
Stalagg and Fuegen could still be potential candidates seeing as they make a specific minion when their deathrattles both have gone off.
A lot of reading news, occasionally posting a deck if I make one I think is fun and want to share, and occasionally getting involved in posts like this. But then I often delete my comment instead of posting because the thought creeps into my head, "No one cares what I think..."
I might also check in for some deck ideas if I am not sure what I want to play, or just getting frustrated with the deck I am playing currently. So you know... not much!
An update to Dungeon Run could be cool. Or a better idea, just give us a new version DR to go along with an expansion.
As an example: If the three expansions this year go Horde, Alliance, H vs A in an old WoW BG setting like AV they could just do an updated type of Dungeon Run based around the BG.
Pretty sure they said with the Darkmoon expansion that there would be a mini set with every expansion moving forward. Generally can be expected about halfway between expansions, or around 2 months after the main expansion release.
We'll see how it goes! I feel like last month the majority of responses were all "Why would I play that trash?!"
So I'm not optimistic (on ranked at least, maybe casual will be easier to find a Speedstone match). But last month I ended up playing several games against a friend where we built decks with Noz because I found no one throughout the day to fight. We had some of the "let me swap one card in this deck I already use" decks as well as a few where they were brand new. My buddy made a Bronze Dragonflight Paladin! He literally just made a Paladin deck, shoved in as many bronze dragons as he could, and a few dragon synergy cards. These were Wild decks too so he had plenty to choose from, like Dragon Consort to make his Noz cost 5 (if he played him next).
My favorite I made was a Malygos Warlock with Noz. If I could get him reduced with Frizz Kindleroost he was a 5 mana 8/8. If I couldn't get him reduced, I just wouldn't play him ever so that he was there to activate my 2x Nether Breath.
I love the idea of this and will likely take part. But I feel like I could spend the entire day queuing decks with Noz and maybe get one game where his effect activates