Wild is already crazy powerful so honestly, making cards like Undertaker and Golem that see little to no play in the format better might not be as bad as you think. Personally if these changes can push some of the existing strong deck types out of the picture (Secret Mage and Big Priest, in particular) then I’ll be happy! Big Priest only recently had a resurgence, but Secret Mage has been gross for a little too long there!
Honestly though, I expect some experimentation for a little bit, maybe a month later we’ll see the same strong decks still on top.
undertaker will see litte.
Arcane golem will see tons of play, its better then leeroy which is already in many decks.
I could honestly seeing it making the cut in Rogue decks, both Odd and Kingsbane. But if Nitroboost is going to 2 mana, Odd is taking a hit. So we'll see.
All true, but I guess where I was going with my comment is that the combo as a whole will still take the same amount of time regardless of whether or not you are playing a 4 mana or 5 mana card that gives the copy effect. Because you still need to draw and set up the other battlecries and then play Shudder on turn 9 at the earliest, unless you have coin or Bloom, or some other cost reduction going on. And so while this may slow down aggro matchups a little, most match ups are essentially the same because yes, you impact the board more one turn sooner, but the overall time it takes is the same.
So slow opponents still get beat as long as you draw your combo pieces fast enough, still lose to fast burn decks like Secret Mage where the taunts don't matter, and you have a slightly better chance to survive long enough to get the combo off against aggro, but it might only buy you an extra turn. Two extra turns if the aggro opponent has bad draw and can't smorc you fast enough. But if they establish a good board too quickly, two 2/3 taunts isn't going to slow them down much. So that is why I think it isn't a big deal, because I am not optimistic in this change really having that big of an impact on many of the deck's bad matchups.
Wild is already crazy powerful so honestly, making cards like Undertaker and Golem that see little to no play in the format better might not be as bad as you think. Personally if these changes can push some of the existing strong deck types out of the picture (Secret Mage and Big Priest, in particular) then I’ll be happy! Big Priest only recently had a resurgence, but Secret Mage has been gross for a little too long there!
Honestly though, I expect some experimentation for a little bit, maybe a month later we’ll see the same strong decks still on top.
As an avid fan of Shudderwock, I don’t know if this is that big of a deal. Yes, makes it more consistent with more copy effects if ran with Doppelgangster too, but most decks with the Shudder combo play the double battlecry quest and Tour Guide anyway. So in regards to the combo not failing it’s a minor win. Mostly it’s good for the combo because they are taunts and can maybe help slow aggro a little.
Personally I feel like this does more for my hand buff Val’anyr Paladin list. In fact, with this change I could almost make a hybrid of that and my Even Paladin lists. We’ll see!
To an extent I agree with others that this feels a little rushed. The timing of this expansion just seems off overall for me. Yes, it’ll be a little over 4 months since Darkmoon released, but because that came out earlier than expected this one is also earlier than the usual first expansion and rotation (by only a week or two now with the one week delay on release).
Now, I’m pretty sure Dean said in a Q&A when asked if this expansion would be out in March he said yes, if it was ready. When he said that, I don’t think we the public knew about the Core set yet. But he of course would have! Meaning he was aware of the large task ahead of that team to impliment some major changes. So not only are they likely putting the final touches on the new cards, debugging, etc, they are likeky going through even more stuff to endure the Core set launch, and Classic mode launch all go off flawlessly (or at least with minimal issues).
Remember, this is their largest patch to date (I think they said that). So there are likely a lot of things to test before they ship the patch.
The deck recipe brawl might still be coming this time around, but likely not until the 20.0 patch is live so that the cards are all in the game and ready to be used in the brawl. Not sure exactly when that patch drops, maybe March 23. So that Wednesday, March 24 would be the first chance to do it. Maybe they will, maybe they won't! The only reason not to do it that day would be to avoid rotating cards being generated off cards in the recipes. So maybe the day after launch would be better for that reason.
I don't get it. What is the unintentional welcome by product?
(I'm F2P, so I'm not that clued in to how the pre purchase stuff works)
They are referring to the end of month packs you get based on your rank. Those packs are typically the most recent expansion, so in theory at the end of March we should get Barrens packs instead of Darkmoon packs for those rewards.
While it SHOULD work this way, it'll be interesting to see if that is what actually happens or not. I'd say after the 20.0 patch check your rewards chest in the in-game profile section and it should show what packs we're going to get. Right now of course they show as Darkmoon packs so we'll see if that changes.
Yeah, but I think Rook was asking more of when does patch 20.0 launch? They said it'd be before the expansion launch. My guess is maybe following the final reveal, or the day after. But definitely going to be sometime after the final reveal but before the Pre-Release weekend (March 26). They need the cards patched into the game so people can open them and use them during the pre-release event.
yeah, a bit tired of BM kibler, day9 or krip always on the streams, is always good seeing new faces
Kibler still pretty involved, but I don't think I've seen Kripp on a final reveal stream in a LONG time. And pretty sure Day[9] quit playing Hearthstone around Rastakhan's Rumble. I know this because the launch day for that set I noticed all the HS streamers I follow on Twitch were in opening packs and/or playing the game, but he was playing MtGA. I don't know exactly when, but some time during the Boomsday expansion after MtGA came out he stopped with HS and that's basically his only CCG he plays now. Not counting things like Slay the Spire
Well he hates women, so he'll probably hide all of the breasts! Because he finds them to be quite disgusting! LOL
For those who don't know or watch Lt Eddy: First, you are missing out. Second, this is in reference to something said on one of his Mishaps videos. It's meant as a joke. Don't freak out!
Also, was just thinking, I think Firestone deck tracker has a feature that will track your pity timers. If you download it now it won't show accurate numbers until you open a legendary, unless you have never opened a pack of a certain set, or if your last pack opened for a certain set contained a legendary. Lastly, Firestone must be running when you open packs to track your pity timers.
I don't use Firestone because I just preferred to stick with HDT, but this was one cool feature that I wish HDT would incorporate for users.
For reward track progress, I originally thought I’d g get around 140, I’m currently 162. I of course didn’t factor in achievement xp, nor did I include a proper calculation of the time played xp.
I didn’t buy the battle pass either. I wanted to go through the first expansion without it to see if I felt it was needed. And I don’t really think it is. Yes, I’d have even more gold, and the portraits, but ultimately I am finding that with how much I play, a pre-order plus gold is enough. I even managed to get the whole mini-set off just reward packs I got post Darkmoon launch and my unclaimed lvl 25 reward. That was a bit lucky in my openings, but hey... that’s gold I now get to carryover in case I need it for the next mini set. Or if I want to fill some gaps in my Wild collection.
Overall, as we near the end of this cycle I’m happy with the current state of the rewards track as I’m already 2000+ more gold than I might have earned in a previous expansion cycle without any noticeable change in my play time. And if they continue to improve it over time as they said they will, it’ll only get better, right?
I believe in one of Dean’s Q&A sessions he said it would come out in March “if it’s ready.” That was also prior to BlizzConline though. So while I would hope they’d tell us if there are any delays, it could be possible that they are still making some last minute balance changes prior to getting the reveals underway.
If we don’t at least get an update with a reveal schedule and such today, I may be a little worried about a potential delay.
Kibler had a Quest Warrior list during the Ulduum expansion that was pretty fun! I played it for a little bit with some success. But it was something he made late in the expansion cycle, and it didn’t carry over as well into DoD. A big part of it was getting Sul’thraze online and then next turn dropping a Goon to gain a lot of armor! It was fun!
Golem > Topsy Turvy > 2x PW Shield > 2x DS > IF.
7 cards, 8 mana, 32/32 with charge. :)
Probably a more efficient way but I'm not in the mood to think right now.
I could honestly seeing it making the cut in Rogue decks, both Odd and Kingsbane. But if Nitroboost is going to 2 mana, Odd is taking a hit. So we'll see.
All true, but I guess where I was going with my comment is that the combo as a whole will still take the same amount of time regardless of whether or not you are playing a 4 mana or 5 mana card that gives the copy effect. Because you still need to draw and set up the other battlecries and then play Shudder on turn 9 at the earliest, unless you have coin or Bloom, or some other cost reduction going on. And so while this may slow down aggro matchups a little, most match ups are essentially the same because yes, you impact the board more one turn sooner, but the overall time it takes is the same.
So slow opponents still get beat as long as you draw your combo pieces fast enough, still lose to fast burn decks like Secret Mage where the taunts don't matter, and you have a slightly better chance to survive long enough to get the combo off against aggro, but it might only buy you an extra turn. Two extra turns if the aggro opponent has bad draw and can't smorc you fast enough. But if they establish a good board too quickly, two 2/3 taunts isn't going to slow them down much. So that is why I think it isn't a big deal, because I am not optimistic in this change really having that big of an impact on many of the deck's bad matchups.
Wild is already crazy powerful so honestly, making cards like Undertaker and Golem that see little to no play in the format better might not be as bad as you think. Personally if these changes can push some of the existing strong deck types out of the picture (Secret Mage and Big Priest, in particular) then I’ll be happy! Big Priest only recently had a resurgence, but Secret Mage has been gross for a little too long there!
Honestly though, I expect some experimentation for a little bit, maybe a month later we’ll see the same strong decks still on top.
As an avid fan of Shudderwock, I don’t know if this is that big of a deal. Yes, makes it more consistent with more copy effects if ran with Doppelgangster too, but most decks with the Shudder combo play the double battlecry quest and Tour Guide anyway. So in regards to the combo not failing it’s a minor win. Mostly it’s good for the combo because they are taunts and can maybe help slow aggro a little.
Personally I feel like this does more for my hand buff Val’anyr Paladin list. In fact, with this change I could almost make a hybrid of that and my Even Paladin lists. We’ll see!
My Val’anyr Paladin list is crying tears of joy to see SCG is coming home!
To an extent I agree with others that this feels a little rushed. The timing of this expansion just seems off overall for me. Yes, it’ll be a little over 4 months since Darkmoon released, but because that came out earlier than expected this one is also earlier than the usual first expansion and rotation (by only a week or two now with the one week delay on release).
Now, I’m pretty sure Dean said in a Q&A when asked if this expansion would be out in March he said yes, if it was ready. When he said that, I don’t think we the public knew about the Core set yet. But he of course would have! Meaning he was aware of the large task ahead of that team to impliment some major changes. So not only are they likely putting the final touches on the new cards, debugging, etc, they are likeky going through even more stuff to endure the Core set launch, and Classic mode launch all go off flawlessly (or at least with minimal issues).
Remember, this is their largest patch to date (I think they said that). So there are likely a lot of things to test before they ship the patch.
The deck recipe brawl might still be coming this time around, but likely not until the 20.0 patch is live so that the cards are all in the game and ready to be used in the brawl. Not sure exactly when that patch drops, maybe March 23. So that Wednesday, March 24 would be the first chance to do it. Maybe they will, maybe they won't! The only reason not to do it that day would be to avoid rotating cards being generated off cards in the recipes. So maybe the day after launch would be better for that reason.
They are referring to the end of month packs you get based on your rank. Those packs are typically the most recent expansion, so in theory at the end of March we should get Barrens packs instead of Darkmoon packs for those rewards.
While it SHOULD work this way, it'll be interesting to see if that is what actually happens or not. I'd say after the 20.0 patch check your rewards chest in the in-game profile section and it should show what packs we're going to get. Right now of course they show as Darkmoon packs so we'll see if that changes.
Yeah, but I think Rook was asking more of when does patch 20.0 launch? They said it'd be before the expansion launch. My guess is maybe following the final reveal, or the day after. But definitely going to be sometime after the final reveal but before the Pre-Release weekend (March 26). They need the cards patched into the game so people can open them and use them during the pre-release event.
Kibler still pretty involved, but I don't think I've seen Kripp on a final reveal stream in a LONG time. And pretty sure Day[9] quit playing Hearthstone around Rastakhan's Rumble. I know this because the launch day for that set I noticed all the HS streamers I follow on Twitch were in opening packs and/or playing the game, but he was playing MtGA. I don't know exactly when, but some time during the Boomsday expansion after MtGA came out he stopped with HS and that's basically his only CCG he plays now. Not counting things like Slay the Spire
He's done the final stream at least once before. I forget which set he did it for. Maybe one of the Year of the Dragon sets.
Well he hates women, so he'll probably hide all of the breasts! Because he finds them to be quite disgusting! LOL
For those who don't know or watch Lt Eddy: First, you are missing out. Second, this is in reference to something said on one of his Mishaps videos. It's meant as a joke. Don't freak out!
Also, was just thinking, I think Firestone deck tracker has a feature that will track your pity timers. If you download it now it won't show accurate numbers until you open a legendary, unless you have never opened a pack of a certain set, or if your last pack opened for a certain set contained a legendary. Lastly, Firestone must be running when you open packs to track your pity timers.
I don't use Firestone because I just preferred to stick with HDT, but this was one cool feature that I wish HDT would incorporate for users.
Call to Arms is exciting! I’ve been playing Even Paladin recently anyway, so this could shake up the list I put together.
I prefer Maiev over the original Valeera art, but Nightslayer Valeera from the Rewards Track is currently my favorite Rogue skin. Just my opinion!
For reward track progress, I originally thought I’d g get around 140, I’m currently 162. I of course didn’t factor in achievement xp, nor did I include a proper calculation of the time played xp.
I didn’t buy the battle pass either. I wanted to go through the first expansion without it to see if I felt it was needed. And I don’t really think it is. Yes, I’d have even more gold, and the portraits, but ultimately I am finding that with how much I play, a pre-order plus gold is enough. I even managed to get the whole mini-set off just reward packs I got post Darkmoon launch and my unclaimed lvl 25 reward. That was a bit lucky in my openings, but hey... that’s gold I now get to carryover in case I need it for the next mini set. Or if I want to fill some gaps in my Wild collection.
Overall, as we near the end of this cycle I’m happy with the current state of the rewards track as I’m already 2000+ more gold than I might have earned in a previous expansion cycle without any noticeable change in my play time. And if they continue to improve it over time as they said they will, it’ll only get better, right?
I believe in one of Dean’s Q&A sessions he said it would come out in March “if it’s ready.” That was also prior to BlizzConline though. So while I would hope they’d tell us if there are any delays, it could be possible that they are still making some last minute balance changes prior to getting the reveals underway.
If we don’t at least get an update with a reveal schedule and such today, I may be a little worried about a potential delay.
Kibler had a Quest Warrior list during the Ulduum expansion that was pretty fun! I played it for a little bit with some success. But it was something he made late in the expansion cycle, and it didn’t carry over as well into DoD. A big part of it was getting Sul’thraze online and then next turn dropping a Goon to gain a lot of armor! It was fun!
Also, off topic. But I'm sure you've seen this!