Should have happened a while ago. Also, slight buff to Shadow Visions in my opinion! Rarely when playing that do I want to discover another Shadow Visions, and it coming up as an option was only good if the other two options were not what I wanted.
Yeah, with the Mindbreaker test findings I'd say there seems to be a yes/no value in the code to say if the hero power has been used. As you mentioned, refreshing or replacing the power sets that back to "no" and Panthara is looking for a "yes" value. Mindbreaker I would assume just disables the power without changing that value, and the hero power flipping over is just a cosmetic change in that instance.
So that makes me think Coldarra would also interfere with Panthara's effect as it resets the hero power after each use. Always fun learning more about interactions like this.
They topdeck devolve, i get the worst possible 8 drop Captain Hooktusk,
It would seem you forgot about Hir'eek, the Bat. But also... yeah, could have been better than Hooktusk. Hopefully things have gone better for you since then.
Just playing a game against one of those Mega Spell Damage Mages with Mozaki, Master Duelist. Only they weren't playing with Mozaki. Because after they played Potion of Illusion and filled their hand they passed the turn only to burn Mozaki at the start of their next turn! What a shame. But I guess the point of the deck was to build up to a big burn turn and that's kind of what they did! Just not how they expected to do it.
I mean, I doubt they’d ever do a combination tribe anyway. Just like they’ll probably never do the Alliance/Horde faction idea too. They want HS to be easy to pick up and multi-tribes or factions make it more complex. Even if just a little.
Still, they could maybe intro some of these things into a new game mode! BGs technically already has alt versions of existing cards. Could make a “Commander” mode where some Legendaries like Grom, Tirion, etc, all have faction tags to label them as commanders of that faction.
And then maybe they’ll throw in three boards so you have a middle and two side lanes! That simulates more of a WoW Battlegrounds type of mode! And your units in each lane randomly either attack an enemy unit or the enemy face each round. And you win by destroying two out of three towers, and OH WAIT this is just Artifact now... crap!
If Panthara doesn’t work then I assume it works by checking to see if the Hero Power is turned over (used) when played. Since in this Brawl it always refreshes to a new power, that minion will read the power as “unused” every time. I wonder if the same would happen with a Coldarra Drake on board too. Or maybe it’s because the Hero Power in the Brawl is changing and you haven’t used that specific power in your turn...
Anyway, Inspire should be fine. They are in play when you use the Hero Power, therefore, even if it changes and refreshes the minion should still be able to register that you used your Hero Power.
I don’t know. It may depend on if they already were workshopping some DK ideas prior to Outland. April 2021 could happen, but more likely to see that in 2022 or beyond, yeah
They already have multi-tribe, technically... with Amalgams. But those are technically “All”. The could do something similar where the tag reads “Undead Pirate” or “Undead Beast”, etc, and just program them to be Undead and Beast on the back end how they program All to mean Beast, Dragon, Pirate, Totem, Murloc, and Elemental.
Also, I may be one of a few who feel this way, but I’d love to see all cards have sone type of tribe tag. Even if it’s just “Human” or “Orc”. It just gives for some slight variation on design space. I’d even like to see some minions get Alliance or Horde emblems too. Maybe just for major characters. But then you could have cards with effects that depend on you controlling one of these “commander” units, or whatever. Bring back some of that Horde vs Alliance feeling from Warcraft.
That was my thought. If they are thinking of adding Undead as a tribe in the future it is likely to go hand in hand with the introduction of a new Death Knight class. If this happens I’d expect it no sooner than April with the start of the new HS year. But if not then, April 2022.
I was just looking at my Classic collection recently and I only need 1x of both Bane of Doom and Barrens Stablehand to complete my Classic set. So that means I am not opening another Classic pack I get from brawl or rewards until this overhaul. Got it!
Exactly! While the intent seems ill from the current information available, we need to wait and see the final product when they decide how to proceed. Perhaps the info that came out is incomplete, or they haven't really decided what they are going to do yet and what we got is an option they are considering. Or maybe if they are paying attention to the forums and can see all the negative feedback to this info coming out they will think about it and come up with a better solution like adding it to the current system instead of completely replacing it.
I may wait to see if we get more info about this in the Developer talks on Tuesday, or whenever it is this week. If this pass system is actually in addition to the gold system... not so bad. If they implemented a battle pass while not messing with the current quest system I think it'd be great. Even if there was no free tier to the battle pass, or if the free tier offered way less in terms of rewards, who cares! Just leave the current quest system for those who grind out 80-100 or more packs worth of gold throughout the course of an expansion.
I want to start an online petition to make Blizzard reconsider this. How many signatures do you think we’d need? Personally I think adding a paid battle pass is fine, but I feel like it should be in addition to the existing rewards structure.
If I start one I’ll need help spreading it around, spamming it in Twitch chats of Hearthstone streams, etc.
I am no longer a free to play player (haven't been for awhile), ... Even as a paying player I spend at least the $80 on each expansion mega bundle. I could get everything else without spending more money.
Same here. I've been getting pre-purchases, usually the larger one, and saving up gold. I'm currently only a few legendary minions away from having all of Scholomance, and I recently completed Outland. The rarity protection really helped make that happen as it used to be harder to get a wide variety of epics than it was to get legendaries. But now I didn't have to spend dust on epics and could make more of the legendaries.
But anyway, if they make this change I personally don't know what I will do. If they give us ample opportunity to earn gold other than just what's in the battle pass, such as leaving gold rewards in the daily quests, then I'll probably keep going on with what I do now, and maybe throw in $20 more for a battle pass from time to time. But if they really hamstring our ability to earn and stockpile gold, I'm going to be pissed and likely quit the game. Or at the very least, stop paying any real money for cards and just playing with my existing collection and whatever I can earn.
I'm a little confused... dailies will no longer award gold? Instead just awarding XP to progress the battle pass? That's how I read the screenshot about potential changes being dailies rewarding XP for the battle pass progression. I feel like that could be a bad idea, and may actually make it so F2P players earn LESS gold/packs throughout an expansion cycle. Hopefully they mean that currently they only reward gold, but they could change they to ALSO reward XP for the pass progression. A combination of current gold rewards from quests plus a battle pass could actually be very rewarding for all players, and especially for F2P players.
Never mind, I just realized there is a note that this system would remove gold from daily rewards, etc. I'm not sure I like this idea as the current info presented here makes me feel like the game will be less rewarding overall. Maybe I'm wrong, but why not maintain gold rewards AND introduce a battle pass rewards system? That's how MtGA is set up.
Should have happened a while ago. Also, slight buff to Shadow Visions in my opinion! Rarely when playing that do I want to discover another Shadow Visions, and it coming up as an option was only good if the other two options were not what I wanted.
Yeah, with the Mindbreaker test findings I'd say there seems to be a yes/no value in the code to say if the hero power has been used. As you mentioned, refreshing or replacing the power sets that back to "no" and Panthara is looking for a "yes" value. Mindbreaker I would assume just disables the power without changing that value, and the hero power flipping over is just a cosmetic change in that instance.
So that makes me think Coldarra would also interfere with Panthara's effect as it resets the hero power after each use. Always fun learning more about interactions like this.
It would seem you forgot about Hir'eek, the Bat. But also... yeah, could have been better than Hooktusk. Hopefully things have gone better for you since then.
Just playing a game against one of those Mega Spell Damage Mages with Mozaki, Master Duelist. Only they weren't playing with Mozaki. Because after they played Potion of Illusion and filled their hand they passed the turn only to burn Mozaki at the start of their next turn! What a shame. But I guess the point of the deck was to build up to a big burn turn and that's kind of what they did! Just not how they expected to do it.
I mean, I doubt they’d ever do a combination tribe anyway. Just like they’ll probably never do the Alliance/Horde faction idea too. They want HS to be easy to pick up and multi-tribes or factions make it more complex. Even if just a little.
Still, they could maybe intro some of these things into a new game mode! BGs technically already has alt versions of existing cards. Could make a “Commander” mode where some Legendaries like Grom, Tirion, etc, all have faction tags to label them as commanders of that faction.
And then maybe they’ll throw in three boards so you have a middle and two side lanes! That simulates more of a WoW Battlegrounds type of mode! And your units in each lane randomly either attack an enemy unit or the enemy face each round. And you win by destroying two out of three towers, and OH WAIT this is just Artifact now... crap!
Yeah, exactly. Who cares about 4 overload if you cheat out 17 mana worth of minions on turn 3 with 2x Bloom, Kael, and a Guardians?
But they could have thought about potentially problematic cards and banned them. If we see it again I can imagine Raza being on that list.
If Panthara doesn’t work then I assume it works by checking to see if the Hero Power is turned over (used) when played. Since in this Brawl it always refreshes to a new power, that minion will read the power as “unused” every time. I wonder if the same would happen with a Coldarra Drake on board too. Or maybe it’s because the Hero Power in the Brawl is changing and you haven’t used that specific power in your turn...
Anyway, Inspire should be fine. They are in play when you use the Hero Power, therefore, even if it changes and refreshes the minion should still be able to register that you used your Hero Power.
I don’t know. It may depend on if they already were workshopping some DK ideas prior to Outland. April 2021 could happen, but more likely to see that in 2022 or beyond, yeah
They already have multi-tribe, technically... with Amalgams. But those are technically “All”. The could do something similar where the tag reads “Undead Pirate” or “Undead Beast”, etc, and just program them to be Undead and Beast on the back end how they program All to mean Beast, Dragon, Pirate, Totem, Murloc, and Elemental.
Also, I may be one of a few who feel this way, but I’d love to see all cards have sone type of tribe tag. Even if it’s just “Human” or “Orc”. It just gives for some slight variation on design space. I’d even like to see some minions get Alliance or Horde emblems too. Maybe just for major characters. But then you could have cards with effects that depend on you controlling one of these “commander” units, or whatever. Bring back some of that Horde vs Alliance feeling from Warcraft.
That was my thought. If they are thinking of adding Undead as a tribe in the future it is likely to go hand in hand with the introduction of a new Death Knight class. If this happens I’d expect it no sooner than April with the start of the new HS year. But if not then, April 2022.
I was just looking at my Classic collection recently and I only need 1x of both Bane of Doom and Barrens Stablehand to complete my Classic set. So that means I am not opening another Classic pack I get from brawl or rewards until this overhaul. Got it!
Thanks for the info!
Has anyone thought of playing this in Paladin alongside Goody Two-Shields? You buff off the first shield, then play a cheap spell to get it back.
Exactly! While the intent seems ill from the current information available, we need to wait and see the final product when they decide how to proceed. Perhaps the info that came out is incomplete, or they haven't really decided what they are going to do yet and what we got is an option they are considering. Or maybe if they are paying attention to the forums and can see all the negative feedback to this info coming out they will think about it and come up with a better solution like adding it to the current system instead of completely replacing it.
Working okay for me so far. Just installed the plugin last night.
I may wait to see if we get more info about this in the Developer talks on Tuesday, or whenever it is this week. If this pass system is actually in addition to the gold system... not so bad. If they implemented a battle pass while not messing with the current quest system I think it'd be great. Even if there was no free tier to the battle pass, or if the free tier offered way less in terms of rewards, who cares! Just leave the current quest system for those who grind out 80-100 or more packs worth of gold throughout the course of an expansion.
I want to start an online petition to make Blizzard reconsider this. How many signatures do you think we’d need? Personally I think adding a paid battle pass is fine, but I feel like it should be in addition to the existing rewards structure.
If I start one I’ll need help spreading it around, spamming it in Twitch chats of Hearthstone streams, etc.
Same here. I've been getting pre-purchases, usually the larger one, and saving up gold. I'm currently only a few legendary minions away from having all of Scholomance, and I recently completed Outland. The rarity protection really helped make that happen as it used to be harder to get a wide variety of epics than it was to get legendaries. But now I didn't have to spend dust on epics and could make more of the legendaries.
But anyway, if they make this change I personally don't know what I will do. If they give us ample opportunity to earn gold other than just what's in the battle pass, such as leaving gold rewards in the daily quests, then I'll probably keep going on with what I do now, and maybe throw in $20 more for a battle pass from time to time. But if they really hamstring our ability to earn and stockpile gold, I'm going to be pissed and likely quit the game. Or at the very least, stop paying any real money for cards and just playing with my existing collection and whatever I can earn.
I'm a little confused... dailies will no longer award gold? Instead just awarding XP to progress the battle pass? That's how I read the screenshot about potential changes being dailies rewarding XP for the battle pass progression. I feel like that could be a bad idea, and may actually make it so F2P players earn LESS gold/packs throughout an expansion cycle. Hopefully they mean that currently they only reward gold, but they could change they to ALSO reward XP for the pass progression. A combination of current gold rewards from quests plus a battle pass could actually be very rewarding for all players, and especially for F2P players.
Never mind, I just realized there is a note that this system would remove gold from daily rewards, etc. I'm not sure I like this idea as the current info presented here makes me feel like the game will be less rewarding overall. Maybe I'm wrong, but why not maintain gold rewards AND introduce a battle pass rewards system? That's how MtGA is set up.
Really cool concept, and finally a good use of Cho!!!