Funny thing... according to the HS deck builder algorithm, Toxic Face Hunter is not the best Hunter.
Last night I was looking at what I’m missing that are good cards, crafted both copies of that side quest. Being lazy I chose auto-complete thinking it’d give me Toxic Hunter. It gave me straight up Mech Hunter with only a few new cards, like Dragonbane, which I also just recently opened. Played only a few games with it so far but got from 5 to 4 without a loss! Spawning Goblin Bombs helps with control matchups because clearing the board does damage, and the Venomizer + Missile Launcher keeps the board clear against aggro.
Been hard to find time to play lately, but the recent Galakrond Warrior list from Meta Breaker 9 article on this site, and now Mech Hunter have been big help on trying to push back up again.
I'm loving this deck! It can be played for tempo, you can save buffed up Scion's to try and control the board later... Against a Toxic Face Hunter I put a buffed 2/4 Eternium Rover after the hunter summoned his three Leper Gnome from his side quest, and then hit the Rover with Titanic Lackey. Which effectively negates his Gnomes' deathrattle damage, so he quick on turn 4 or 5! That example is a bit of RNG, but still. LOVE this deck!
In a few weeks you might be making a Meta Breaker deck to break this one! :D
HSReplay's current meta report (the free one, I don't have paid sub so it may still include pre-nerf data) shows the Toxic Face Hunter top of tier 2, then Pirate Warrior... Deathrattle Rogue around mid tier 2 as it often relies on good draw to be strong, but kind of sucks if you get poor draw.
Regardless, I've played 5 games with this deck and I've won them all, climbing from 8 to 6, which is the highest I've pushed in a while (after becoming a dad, hard to find time). But yeah, I think regardless of what is the top meta deck, this one is GREAT regardless.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is a "deck MMR" or something too. In other words, you build a deck and win a lot of games, the game sees that deck as good. It then tries to match you up against players with similar MMR that are also playing a deck with a higher winrate. Hence you were playing Zoolock, doing well, then you get hit with a bunch of Shaman opponents who are also winning a lot.
You build a brand new deck of HW Paladin, the game does not know yet how this deck will perform when you are piloting it. It matches you up against players that haven't been winning a lot, those Rogue players you mentioned. So until you show the game that you can win a lot with this deck, you may not see the Shaman onslaught you are targeting.
But honestly, I have no idea.
In other words, if this rambling of mine is even slightly correct: it's an attempt to balance player experiences, not a grand plot against you.
As a good player you may find yourself 'accidentally' climbing to rank 10. That's OK, but to actually enjoy the game mode try to avoid going any further.
I tend to shoot for Rank 10 in Wild (and Standard really) and from there I just play whatever I feel like. If I win, great! If I don't, it's just a game. If I happen to rank up to 5, sweet! The only time I really push to climb higher than 10 is if I happen to get close to the Rank 5 floor, then I might try a little harder.
The key to enjoying Wild, or really Hearthstone in general, is to not get too serious about it and just play whatever you want to play, even if it's a low winrate deck that you are trying to meme with. Like putting a TON of Corrupted Bloods into your opponent's deck and then using Wyrmrest Purifier to turn your Bloods into random class cards in a Memekkar Rogue deck.
So you can either try something different and new, or you can turn to a different game for a little while to get a break from HS if you're that annoyed with it. The thing I tend to turn to in Wild most often when I am no longer having fun playing the game: any sort of C'Thun deck. My favorite, which hasn't worked for a while now due to fast decks like Secret Mage, was a C'Thun Druid that used things like Aviana, Kun the Forgotten King, Brann Bronzebeard, and Zola the Gorgon to drop 3x 10+/10+ C'Thuns in a single turn and watch the eyeball missiles rain down as my opponent's watch in horror! Would be better if Aviana was still 9 mana, but that's what happens when I don't craft her until the nerf... No joke, I did that. Because I'm dumb... Still fun though.
TLDR: You can still find fun in the game if you just play silly decks to meme on people. If you aren't having fun, find something else to do for a while and come back to it.
I just assumed these ads were showing up because they only wanted ads that loaded quickly and didn't bog down the site. Hence why these low brow, and maybe even propaganda type of ads you're talking about are showing up, because they put out low cost and low quality ads. But I must admit I hadn't paid attention to the publisher or provider of the ads, or even the content most of the time.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing some higher quality ads from better advertisers popping up instead of these ads that are mostly text. First, because the low quality ads actually make the site look cheap and low quality to me. Second, OoC would likely get more revenue from having better ads on their site.
Last thing I'll add, I used to work in digital advertising for a large publisher, and if the site doesn't have enough established traffic, or if a publisher or ad serving platform does not yet know what the audience for the site is, that could also be a reason for seeing these types of ads right now. Because higher profile advertisers usually have layers of targeting data added to their ad campaigns, unless they are buying out specific ad space on a particular website. While again, if someone is spreading propaganda might just throw their ad anywhere they can get it.
I did see a really nice Best Buy ad on this very forums page though as I'm typing this response, so maybe things will be changing soon if my last point is actually why we're seeing these ads you're referring to and we'll start seeing more mainstream ad placements.
The Shaman decks also lose to Zoolocks. The Invoke cards having the ol' Odd Paladin effect in Warlock generating two 1/1 imps can help push damage quick. I haven't played a lot of Zoolock just yet, but I've beat every Shaman I faced with the deck. Doesn't mean Shaman doesn't need balance, but it's another option if you're finding nothing but Shaman opponents.
Tempted to double preorder this exp. have the 100 bundle already. And about 70 packs worth of gold, and free packs. All together that’s going to be over 180 packs in first week... Do I really need another 60?
I could do that and then spend a portion of my gold on Wild packs... which is weird saying.
So why aren’t ALL Echo cards being given a full dust refund if this effects them all?
I get most other classes can’t make an infinite chain, but even Unstable Evolution can occasionally hit a [Hearthstone Card (sorceror’s apprentice) Not Found] or a Radiant Elemental for a huge evolve chain!
Maybe a change to Mechwarper’s cost reduction would have been better, similar to Summoning Portal not going below 1 mana.
It's a pretty neat effect. Instead of putting Arch-Thief Rafaam in the deck you can play this plus Plot Twist to try and get an extra boost of a few random legendaries instead of turning the entire remaining deck into random legendaries.
Still obviously a very random effect for memes, but not too bad!
Regardless of how good or bad this card is, I love the “secretly discover a deathrattle” mechanic. I think it’s only been seen as a Druid mechanic on a choose one card that didn’t see much play. But I think it’s pretty cool and should be used more
Slightly different than Vilespine as it’s a legendary minion and the effect is not quite the same. If you use it on an enemy minion, but it’s a minion in your deck too, you lose one or two minions also. Since it says “wherever” I assume it means both decks, hands, and boards!
If Highlander decks are big next expansion, you could run this in Highlander Rogue still. Either as a removal option with a body, or you could play Zephrys and then play this on your Zephrys to remove your opponent’s copy if they are Highlander.
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Funny thing... according to the HS deck builder algorithm, Toxic Face Hunter is not the best Hunter.
Last night I was looking at what I’m missing that are good cards, crafted both copies of that side quest. Being lazy I chose auto-complete thinking it’d give me Toxic Hunter. It gave me straight up Mech Hunter with only a few new cards, like Dragonbane, which I also just recently opened. Played only a few games with it so far but got from 5 to 4 without a loss! Spawning Goblin Bombs helps with control matchups because clearing the board does damage, and the Venomizer + Missile Launcher keeps the board clear against aggro.
Been hard to find time to play lately, but the recent Galakrond Warrior list from Meta Breaker 9 article on this site, and now Mech Hunter have been big help on trying to push back up again.
I'm loving this deck! It can be played for tempo, you can save buffed up Scion's to try and control the board later... Against a Toxic Face Hunter I put a buffed 2/4 Eternium Rover after the hunter summoned his three Leper Gnome from his side quest, and then hit the Rover with Titanic Lackey. Which effectively negates his Gnomes' deathrattle damage, so he quick on turn 4 or 5! That example is a bit of RNG, but still. LOVE this deck!
In a few weeks you might be making a Meta Breaker deck to break this one! :D
HSReplay's current meta report (the free one, I don't have paid sub so it may still include pre-nerf data) shows the Toxic Face Hunter top of tier 2, then Pirate Warrior... Deathrattle Rogue around mid tier 2 as it often relies on good draw to be strong, but kind of sucks if you get poor draw.
Regardless, I've played 5 games with this deck and I've won them all, climbing from 8 to 6, which is the highest I've pushed in a while (after becoming a dad, hard to find time). But yeah, I think regardless of what is the top meta deck, this one is GREAT regardless.
Personally, I thought they’d already hit that card by making it so I never draw the card when it’s in my deck..
I wouldn't be surprised if there is a "deck MMR" or something too. In other words, you build a deck and win a lot of games, the game sees that deck as good. It then tries to match you up against players with similar MMR that are also playing a deck with a higher winrate. Hence you were playing Zoolock, doing well, then you get hit with a bunch of Shaman opponents who are also winning a lot.
You build a brand new deck of HW Paladin, the game does not know yet how this deck will perform when you are piloting it. It matches you up against players that haven't been winning a lot, those Rogue players you mentioned. So until you show the game that you can win a lot with this deck, you may not see the Shaman onslaught you are targeting.
But honestly, I have no idea.
In other words, if this rambling of mine is even slightly correct: it's an attempt to balance player experiences, not a grand plot against you.
I tend to shoot for Rank 10 in Wild (and Standard really) and from there I just play whatever I feel like. If I win, great! If I don't, it's just a game. If I happen to rank up to 5, sweet! The only time I really push to climb higher than 10 is if I happen to get close to the Rank 5 floor, then I might try a little harder.
The key to enjoying Wild, or really Hearthstone in general, is to not get too serious about it and just play whatever you want to play, even if it's a low winrate deck that you are trying to meme with. Like putting a TON of Corrupted Bloods into your opponent's deck and then using Wyrmrest Purifier to turn your Bloods into random class cards in a Memekkar Rogue deck.
So you can either try something different and new, or you can turn to a different game for a little while to get a break from HS if you're that annoyed with it. The thing I tend to turn to in Wild most often when I am no longer having fun playing the game: any sort of C'Thun deck. My favorite, which hasn't worked for a while now due to fast decks like Secret Mage, was a C'Thun Druid that used things like Aviana, Kun the Forgotten King, Brann Bronzebeard, and Zola the Gorgon to drop 3x 10+/10+ C'Thuns in a single turn and watch the eyeball missiles rain down as my opponent's watch in horror! Would be better if Aviana was still 9 mana, but that's what happens when I don't craft her until the nerf... No joke, I did that. Because I'm dumb... Still fun though.
TLDR: You can still find fun in the game if you just play silly decks to meme on people. If you aren't having fun, find something else to do for a while and come back to it.
I just assumed these ads were showing up because they only wanted ads that loaded quickly and didn't bog down the site. Hence why these low brow, and maybe even propaganda type of ads you're talking about are showing up, because they put out low cost and low quality ads. But I must admit I hadn't paid attention to the publisher or provider of the ads, or even the content most of the time.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing some higher quality ads from better advertisers popping up instead of these ads that are mostly text. First, because the low quality ads actually make the site look cheap and low quality to me. Second, OoC would likely get more revenue from having better ads on their site.
Last thing I'll add, I used to work in digital advertising for a large publisher, and if the site doesn't have enough established traffic, or if a publisher or ad serving platform does not yet know what the audience for the site is, that could also be a reason for seeing these types of ads right now. Because higher profile advertisers usually have layers of targeting data added to their ad campaigns, unless they are buying out specific ad space on a particular website. While again, if someone is spreading propaganda might just throw their ad anywhere they can get it.
I did see a really nice Best Buy ad on this very forums page though as I'm typing this response, so maybe things will be changing soon if my last point is actually why we're seeing these ads you're referring to and we'll start seeing more mainstream ad placements.
The Shaman decks also lose to Zoolocks. The Invoke cards having the ol' Odd Paladin effect in Warlock generating two 1/1 imps can help push damage quick. I haven't played a lot of Zoolock just yet, but I've beat every Shaman I faced with the deck. Doesn't mean Shaman doesn't need balance, but it's another option if you're finding nothing but Shaman opponents.
Tempted to double preorder this exp. have the 100 bundle already. And about 70 packs worth of gold, and free packs. All together that’s going to be over 180 packs in first week... Do I really need another 60?
I could do that and then spend a portion of my gold on Wild packs... which is weird saying.
I wouldn't be surprised to see some old portraits from previous bundles hit the shop at some point. Like Mecha-Jaraxxus, or even Sir Annoy-O.
So why aren’t ALL Echo cards being given a full dust refund if this effects them all?
I get most other classes can’t make an infinite chain, but even Unstable Evolution can occasionally hit a [Hearthstone Card (sorceror’s apprentice) Not Found] or a Radiant Elemental for a huge evolve chain!
Maybe a change to Mechwarper’s cost reduction would have been better, similar to Summoning Portal not going below 1 mana.
Am I the only one who saw this card and immediately in my head heard Ben Brode Jr saying "Purifier... PURIFY!!!"
???
If you don't know what I'm talking about... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9QD6sxoJxk&t=2s
Can’t wait for this moment:
*new card draws into Kripp’s hand”
Kripp: “Oh... that looks like garbage.”
It's a pretty neat effect. Instead of putting Arch-Thief Rafaam in the deck you can play this plus Plot Twist to try and get an extra boost of a few random legendaries instead of turning the entire remaining deck into random legendaries.
Still obviously a very random effect for memes, but not too bad!
Regardless of how good or bad this card is, I love the “secretly discover a deathrattle” mechanic. I think it’s only been seen as a Druid mechanic on a choose one card that didn’t see much play. But I think it’s pretty cool and should be used more
It’s like Possessed Lackey, but less randomness and it’s a battlecry.
And Lackey was good enough to warrant a nerf. So... I like it!!!
Even with 6 cards in hand, 5 after playing this, doesn’t seem too bad. Better obviously with bigger hand sizes.
Slightly different than Vilespine as it’s a legendary minion and the effect is not quite the same. If you use it on an enemy minion, but it’s a minion in your deck too, you lose one or two minions also. Since it says “wherever” I assume it means both decks, hands, and boards!
If Highlander decks are big next expansion, you could run this in Highlander Rogue still. Either as a removal option with a body, or you could play Zephrys and then play this on your Zephrys to remove your opponent’s copy if they are Highlander.
Hot Air Baloon = Reverse Micro Machine
This card is bringing Dragon Paladin “back from the junk heap!”