Veranus (5/5): Good stats, dragon tag and a pretty powerful effect that can help you trade up. Obvious combo with Unleash the Hounds, but thats just beginning.
Necrium Apothecary (4/5): Draft dependent, but if it can trigger literally on anything, it is super powerful.
Crazed Netherwing (5/5): Abyssal Enforcer 2.0. Pretty much. What makes things worse, you can discover this. I dont like this exists.
Nether Breath (3/5): Draft dependent. If you can activate it its amazing, if you cant, its still a removal(ish).
Amber Watcher (5/5): Holy crap. Guardian of Kings is crying in a corner. This card is powerful. Great stats, dragon tag and a huge heal.
Camouflaged Dirigible (3/5): Decent 6-drop with a potentially strong effect. It will become stronger in rotations with more mechs, obviously, but its ok even without the battlecry.
Hot Air Balloon (3/5): Not a bad 1-drop. I would probably prefer a flat 1/3 over this, but mech tag might matter and it can keep buffing itself, if left unchecked. Not like a 1-attack minion would be such a threat, but it is going to be annoying and potential buff target.
Congratulations! :) I like BG a lot. Certainly a breath of fresh air in current state of the game. Im looking forward to the new set, but i hope they keep focusing on BG as well. They seem to be so far, hope its not just cause its still in beta and once its fully released, the updates will come much more slowly.
I think the times in this mode are sometimes too short or too long not in between, specially latter turns sometimes you cycle like 10 battle cries in one turn and sometimes you buy 3 units and quickly place them or just tavern up I think I would rather have extra turn time rather than too little though..
Or you know
... Cut the animation time!!! Idk how people even play this on mobile..
Getting those extra seconds early don't matter, but late game they are very valuable.. So maybe if you know you need to do a long turn.. Add a "speed up" button
Agreed, they need to do something about the animations. I believe they already said they would, but dont know if i remember it correctly.
@OP: yes, i believe that if you finish quickly, you are already in the Tavern Phase while someone else might still be in Combat Phase. You can clearly see this by tavern tiern upgrade icons poping up on the sidebar or making a triple minion at other player's portraits. That is also why you sometimes have a very long turn, because you are waiting for someone to finish their combat and only then the timer for Tavern Phase begins imho.
Does it give you more time to snatch some minions over your opponent? Maybe. But i dont think its a problem in the long run. There is a lot of RNG and strategy involved in how and when you get to some specific minions and it is usually more influenced by how quickly can you Tier up than if you can finish match a few seconds earlier.
One thing im not sure about, but i think it does work is, if you freeze minions in your Tavern Phase, that essentially locks them, for you (obviously), but they are also temporarily removed from the Minion Pool for your opponens. At least iv never had it happen to me that i would lock a board and one of those minions was missing the next turn.
I still think the best option would be to concentrate all discussion on a card on its card page. Why? I think in the long run it will benefit the players who searched for the card, so they can see all opinions in one place. People discussing on three different places seems a bit confusing and chaotic to me.
The way it is now, all those discussions one day will be buried in forum and forgotten. It would be fun to see those opinions later when meta is solved. Card page traffic may be low now but it can be boosted with promotion.
We do include the link to the card's discussion thread in its card page. So that should cover what you're asking here, basically. If you want to see what ppl had to say about it on release, you can just click the button and read the thread.
I understand what ur saying, but in the end i guess it is the matter of preference and this is how we approach this. For now anyway.
It is good to raise these questions tho, so we can see that ppl might be interested for us to do certain things differently and we can then take that into consideration going forward ;-)
All good :) That being said, iv had quite a success with Patches as well :) His HP can help you "cheat out" some wins early game allowing you to upgrade Tavern more aggressively.
We know about this, but it isnt high priority at the moment, thanks for reporting the issue tho ;-) We actually have them set up till couple hundred post count, but these are probably still there as a leftover placeholders.
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What Zelgadis said, basically they tried to minimise the damage the winner would deal to the "enemy". They often took the turn to level up their Tavern instead of buying minions and putting more stuff on the board. Or they did buy minions they wanted, but didnt play them; or even sell some they would sell of next turn anyway. Position stuff that it would die to a Divine Shield Taunt etc. or so that Deathrattles would spawn as little crap as possible.
Health is a very important resource in Battlegrounds, we can clearly see that just by how +20 Health on Patchwerk makes him one of the best Heroes. So when they managed to minimise damage dealt to each other, or even cause a draw. And not only that, but often being able to upgarde Tavern on early turn where normally you would have been trying for board control so you dont take excessive damage, that created big advantages for them.
It was actually a very interesting to see the strategy behind this team play, which had some random elements to it attached still, for obvious reasons, but it was another layer of play and a big part of why the winning team won.
Im interested to see this, i understand why the team tournament was played the way it was, dont damage your teammate too much and get draw if possible, but thanks to that you had pretty easy early game sometimes. Not at all how you would play a regular game. So im interested to see how players in a "regular" environment match up.
Shu'ma (2/5): It is not the best card in the world, but it is a board swarm. I mean there are worse legendaries. Depending on your class and draft, it might actually become a really good minion for you.
Envoy of Lazul (4/5): I like this card for arena. It gives you some information about your opponent's deck and also what he might or might not be holding in his hand right now. The information could be invaluable. You will probably get a card less often on average with Envoy than you would with its cousin Curious Glimmerroot, but i think the card will be worth it either way.
Secure the Deck (3/5): Kinda slow to complete, and the reward isnt that amazing, but its removal. You probably wont be too sad to have to draft this card, if it will be the best out of the three options, but at the same time, you will always hope for something better. One of the better Side Quests considering Arena, thats for sure.
Clear the Way (1/5): Way too draft dependant and probably a bit slow. It can shine, if you do draft a few Rush cards, namely stuff like Swarm of Locusts or Desert Spear, but still, inconsistent.
This isnt an easy solve. The news article will get spamed away from the front page with new ones coming in. We want to encourage ppl to continue discussing the cards, for which forums is better suited. But disallowing any discussion in the news article doesnt make any sense.
I dont think its that big of a deal imho. Yes, initially the discussion can be split, but you can say the same about discussing it on Discord. We just provide multiple options and you can choose whatever suits you best.
I like your idea about "Discuss this card" directing you to card's page in theory, not sure if it would be a good idea long term, but that is something we could consider for next reveal season. We shall see what opinion other Staff members have on this.
About the voting, we made it easier for you to vote on a card. It is enough to vote in one place, thats it. The fact you see the ratings in more places doesnt mean you have to vote several times, you vote once and your vote shows in all the other places as well ;-)
Poor Warlocks nowhere to be seen.
Until you said it, no one would even think that, but now looking at your nick and avatar ... i dont know man :D
I had to chuckle :D Fixed it for you :D
- NEW CARDS -
1=Terrible, 2=Poor, 3=Average, 4=Good, 5=Excellent
Kronx Dragonhoof (x/5): Not draftable in Arena.
Veranus (5/5): Good stats, dragon tag and a pretty powerful effect that can help you trade up. Obvious combo with Unleash the Hounds, but thats just beginning.
Necrium Apothecary (4/5): Draft dependent, but if it can trigger literally on anything, it is super powerful.
Crazed Netherwing (5/5): Abyssal Enforcer 2.0. Pretty much. What makes things worse, you can discover this. I dont like this exists.
Nether Breath (3/5): Draft dependent. If you can activate it its amazing, if you cant, its still a removal(ish).
Amber Watcher (5/5): Holy crap. Guardian of Kings is crying in a corner. This card is powerful. Great stats, dragon tag and a huge heal.
Camouflaged Dirigible (3/5): Decent 6-drop with a potentially strong effect. It will become stronger in rotations with more mechs, obviously, but its ok even without the battlecry.
Hot Air Balloon (3/5): Not a bad 1-drop. I would probably prefer a flat 1/3 over this, but mech tag might matter and it can keep buffing itself, if left unchecked. Not like a 1-attack minion would be such a threat, but it is going to be annoying and potential buff target.
^What he said. Please continue this discussion in one thread, thanks!
Because one Abyssal Enforcer wasnt enough. Jesus.
Lol didnt see it until now :o
Congratulations! :) I like BG a lot. Certainly a breath of fresh air in current state of the game. Im looking forward to the new set, but i hope they keep focusing on BG as well. They seem to be so far, hope its not just cause its still in beta and once its fully released, the updates will come much more slowly.
Agreed, they need to do something about the animations. I believe they already said they would, but dont know if i remember it correctly.
@OP: yes, i believe that if you finish quickly, you are already in the Tavern Phase while someone else might still be in Combat Phase. You can clearly see this by tavern tiern upgrade icons poping up on the sidebar or making a triple minion at other player's portraits. That is also why you sometimes have a very long turn, because you are waiting for someone to finish their combat and only then the timer for Tavern Phase begins imho.
Does it give you more time to snatch some minions over your opponent? Maybe. But i dont think its a problem in the long run. There is a lot of RNG and strategy involved in how and when you get to some specific minions and it is usually more influenced by how quickly can you Tier up than if you can finish match a few seconds earlier.
One thing im not sure about, but i think it does work is, if you freeze minions in your Tavern Phase, that essentially locks them, for you (obviously), but they are also temporarily removed from the Minion Pool for your opponens. At least iv never had it happen to me that i would lock a board and one of those minions was missing the next turn.
Wow, this is amazing stuff! Good job!
We do include the link to the card's discussion thread in its card page. So that should cover what you're asking here, basically. If you want to see what ppl had to say about it on release, you can just click the button and read the thread.
I understand what ur saying, but in the end i guess it is the matter of preference and this is how we approach this. For now anyway.
It is good to raise these questions tho, so we can see that ppl might be interested for us to do certain things differently and we can then take that into consideration going forward ;-)
I hate Secrets, this is my "obligatory line" whenever i see Secrets in a custom class, dont take it personally :D
All good :) That being said, iv had quite a success with Patches as well :) His HP can help you "cheat out" some wins early game allowing you to upgrade Tavern more aggressively.
We know about this, but it isnt high priority at the moment, thanks for reporting the issue tho ;-) We actually have them set up till couple hundred post count, but these are probably still there as a leftover placeholders.
You can change your title in your Account Management.
I wrote down the stuff i remember that we've implemented here.
What Zelgadis said, basically they tried to minimise the damage the winner would deal to the "enemy". They often took the turn to level up their Tavern instead of buying minions and putting more stuff on the board. Or they did buy minions they wanted, but didnt play them; or even sell some they would sell of next turn anyway. Position stuff that it would die to a Divine Shield Taunt etc. or so that Deathrattles would spawn as little crap as possible.
Health is a very important resource in Battlegrounds, we can clearly see that just by how +20 Health on Patchwerk makes him one of the best Heroes. So when they managed to minimise damage dealt to each other, or even cause a draw. And not only that, but often being able to upgarde Tavern on early turn where normally you would have been trying for board control so you dont take excessive damage, that created big advantages for them.
It was actually a very interesting to see the strategy behind this team play, which had some random elements to it attached still, for obvious reasons, but it was another layer of play and a big part of why the winning team won.
Im interested to see this, i understand why the team tournament was played the way it was, dont damage your teammate too much and get draw if possible, but thanks to that you had pretty easy early game sometimes. Not at all how you would play a regular game. So im interested to see how players in a "regular" environment match up.
- NEW CARDS -
1=Terrible, 2=Poor, 3=Average, 4=Good, 5=Excellent
Dragonrider Talritha (4/5): Looks like a pretty good card, if you have any amount of dragons. 3/3 for 3 is ok and it has effect that can do some work.
Galakrond, the Unbreakable (x/5): not draftable in Arena.
Shu'ma (2/5): It is not the best card in the world, but it is a board swarm. I mean there are worse legendaries. Depending on your class and draft, it might actually become a really good minion for you.
Envoy of Lazul (4/5): I like this card for arena. It gives you some information about your opponent's deck and also what he might or might not be holding in his hand right now. The information could be invaluable. You will probably get a card less often on average with Envoy than you would with its cousin Curious Glimmerroot, but i think the card will be worth it either way.
Secure the Deck (3/5): Kinda slow to complete, and the reward isnt that amazing, but its removal. You probably wont be too sad to have to draft this card, if it will be the best out of the three options, but at the same time, you will always hope for something better. One of the better Side Quests considering Arena, thats for sure.
Clear the Way (1/5): Way too draft dependant and probably a bit slow. It can shine, if you do draft a few Rush cards, namely stuff like Swarm of Locusts or Desert Spear, but still, inconsistent.
This isnt an easy solve. The news article will get spamed away from the front page with new ones coming in. We want to encourage ppl to continue discussing the cards, for which forums is better suited. But disallowing any discussion in the news article doesnt make any sense.
I dont think its that big of a deal imho. Yes, initially the discussion can be split, but you can say the same about discussing it on Discord. We just provide multiple options and you can choose whatever suits you best.
I like your idea about "Discuss this card" directing you to card's page in theory, not sure if it would be a good idea long term, but that is something we could consider for next reveal season. We shall see what opinion other Staff members have on this.
About the voting, we made it easier for you to vote on a card. It is enough to vote in one place, thats it. The fact you see the ratings in more places doesnt mean you have to vote several times, you vote once and your vote shows in all the other places as well ;-)
I dont see why it wouldnt.