Does that make much difference to aggro though? I don't think people are too bothered about it in more value oriented decks where your suggested change will make a big difference.
MrRhapsody - I guess it's fine as-is now. I'm still a little unsure of the card, but I can't articulate how exactly I feel.
thepowrofcheese - I like the new name a lot; this was a good change. Not sure if the art matches that 100%, but it would be hard to find something else.
Nirast - I like the new iteration. Still viable in an Odd Paladin deck, but requires some setup to grow into a threat.
to be fair you can't really nerf LIghtning Bloom without destryoing it (adding more overload changes basically nothing)
Tortollan Pilgrim will probably get gutted (by making it so it also removes the spell from the deck) if Turtle Mage ever becomes more than a tier 3 mildly competitive troll deck
Idk if they can even change Sorc's at this point because Mage relies so much on spell discounting to do anything that isn't Highlander. I guess you could change it to a battlecry effect so Time Warp Mage isn't a thing anymore
The thing with Willow is that her effect is to make a lot of stats so her own stats do matter. Personally I think the Mana Reduction and Stat Change is a buff when we get more big Demons but right now it's already super rare to play Willow on curve that this weakens the card more than anything.
The change makes her highroll better, Willow on curve with a big Demon in hand and deck. But it makes the most common play worse, Willow on turn 12 or 13. This will change if we get a chunky Demon next expansion.
Honestly Secret Passage isn't that bad. I would even argue there are other cards in the rogue arsenal right now that deserved more of a nerf (Burrowed Scorpid is actually pretty overtuned for what it does).
Secret Passage is a solid "draw" card that'll make it so they won't have to print new ones for every upcoming archetype and can instead focus on actually substantial cards
I'm gonna reiterate that the Willow change was most likely done with future support in mind.
They framed it as a compensation buff for Darkglare, but that makes no sense because Big Demon Warlock isn't a thing right now, and this certainly won't change that.
What it does change is how much of a powerplay she will become in the future, at which point her being a 7/7 could actually push her over the edge, so they preemptively adjusted her stats for what she's going to do (or at least what they think she's going to do).
Make no mistake, Big Demon Warlock is almost viable. You have Dreadlord as your core big demon, Willow as your lategame tempo play, Kanrethad Prime as your win condition and Felosophy to copy said win condition twice. Additionally you have the Dark Portal to potentially cheese out Willow or any big demon way earlier and secure easy wins.
All the deck needs to succeed is at least one more big demon (that isn't a legendary) as well as some form of healing that's not as inconsistent as Soul Fragments or requires Mo'arg Artificer
Sanns - So we agree nocturne sucks, and needs a buff and Taric is possible fine being just okay
Wulf - Leonna is fine, but I guess I wan't her to be better than just a fine do nothing play
Like let's talk about stun synergy that's Yasao, and ravenous flock, both things that aren't part of her kit
and we agree Elise is better than Dianna and she's free
Sol is not a bad card, I just think he's redundant in a region that can pull infinite amazing expensive plays from thin air.
At the end of the day I think the rankings and streamers general unwillingness to run this region supports this opinion.
Like if we break things down, it should be possible to build great midrange, great aggro, and great control instead these Targon archetypes are just okay
In particular, I like the fact Secret Passage was given the softest nerf possible, as anything else would have crippled the card to unplayability - despite what all the non-Rogue players keep saying and incorrectly comparing the card with The Soularium.
btw, it's still a nerf by 20%, which is HUGE.
What I don't like is the cards that didn't receive a nerf, that is Lightning Bloom, Tortollan Pilgrim and Sorcerer's Apprentice (although I'm kinda happy I can rely on QMage to contain Reno Priests while I can still efficiently tech against QMage with Neutral cards).
Even with the buff Shaman is still going to be very low on the tier list.
Warlock's nerf hurts, but they deserve it. I'm sure they'll still do some wacky stuff with the Darkglare.
Willow will still see no play - even if there's a lot of mid-range demons they don't impact the board state. Also Demon Hunter has the best big demons around, what the hell?
As someone who got to legend with Rogue last month I'm only marginally upset that Secret Passage got nerfed - draw 4 is still real strong - but lemme tell ya - I've had plenty of games where 4 out of 5 cards were not going to win the game.
Cabal Acolyte's nerf means Convincing Infiltrator might come back in Priest decks since it has more health. but As someone who's had to go up against some priests I'm VERY happy this guy is getting the nerf stick.
I really love using Darkglare. But I can also see why it is problematic. I have been trying to use it in Wild limiting my own plays in accordance to the change of 1 mana as opposed to 2 and it DOES slow things down quite a bit. However, with this change I am anticipating Flesh Giant to get nerf'd to 10 mana because it is still really easy to manipulate your health multiple times in a turn in Wild and people still complaining.
Secret Passage is probably still going to be nerf'd again. The ability for Aggro Rogue to grab 4+ new cards in a turn and play tons of stuff is still really abusive. I can see them changing the mana cost to (2) and being done with it.
Targon's Champions may need a slight tweak but most of them (if not all) are already at a good place right now. Taric sees play, Diana sees play, Leona sees play, Aurelion Sol sees play. They're not busted but they're still very decent plays and are easy to level. It will take a bit more time to see where things really are.
I agree with Fenrir -- all the Targon champs are seeing a high amount of play right now and none of them are outright bad, so its hard to justify any buffs this early.
The only new champ I'm really disappointed in is Nocturne. He's got a solid spot as a partner for Diana, but outside of that niche role it is really hard to build a deck for him. His Play ability is basically an inferior version of Sejuani's, his L2 passive requires multiple nightfall units which is very difficult without splashing Targon, and if you do include Targon you might as well just go back to a Diana + Nocturne build.
This is an incredibly boring design. If they were going to represent Jaina as a student, why not have a bit of fun with it. Star Student Stelina is oozing with character for instance.
I wish they'd fix the golden animations as well, there's a lot of cards that are just missing assets and what's the point of playing a vanity card if it doesn't have the whole art work on it?
General - Taric is well designed, he might need a point of health like Shen, even a small tweak like that would make him far better.
Additional Notes- Dianna needs to be a 2/3 or 3/2 otherwise as a 2/2 challenger she's literally just a bird and she's worse than Elise and Lucian
Nocturne is kind of just a skitterer so the best decks just run skitterer instead and use stalking shadows to grab a bunch, make his ability -2/2 and only be able to go off once a turn
Leona I suggest becomes a 4/4 leveling to a 5/5 so she is basically Yasao levels of good because she functions in a similar stun and swing fashion.
Not saying this will fix Targon but it would be an okay start.
I agree that Taric is well designed but he really does not need a buff, maybe he does but I don't think a health buff is a good idea. At 4 HP he's already kind of hard to deal with by certain decks, and at 5 he'd actually be really good.
I'll agree that Elise is better than Diana but for different reasons, but I can't agree that Lucian is better than Diana. Diana having Challenger is already way better than Lucian is at his base stats. Not to mention that compared to Lucian, Diana is much easier to level up. If you would buff her to a 2/3, then it'd be bad because she'd be really hard to kill because Mystic Shot won't counter her anymore. As a 3/2, she's just insane then.
Nocturne is just a finisher compared to Frenzied Skitterer who is more of a flexible tool for trading. The fact is that leveled Nocturne is a really good finisher and that he is so easy to level and some decks that don't run removal will lose to him pretty hard.
Leona's fine. A 3/5 statline is fine and making her a 4/4 is just a straight-up nerf? Like I don't get what your point is. Yasuo becoming a 4/4 is good because he was a 4/3. She doesn't have a keyword and that's alright. She's supposed to be a basic Champ, a Champ that basically isn't very overpowered but is easy to play or build around. Demacia has Garen, Freljord has Tryndamere, Ionia has Zed, SI has Thresh/Elise, PnZ has Teemo, Noxus has Darius, Bilgewater has Twisted Fate, Targon now has Leona and that's really it.
Targon's Champions may need a slight tweak but most of them (if not all) are already at a good place right now. Taric sees play, Diana sees play, Leona sees play, Aurelion Sol sees play. They're not busted but they're still very decent plays and are easy to level. It will take a bit more time to see where things really are.
I am 99% sure that this feature is not the "new game mode" from Roadmap.
In financial report they said they work on "multiple new ways" to play the game, and that was after BG already started. It is a new way to play kind of, but it's just extended lobby for friends.
I think it was also said in interviews, that they increased the team, so more people work on new modes and features I am pretty sure. New features like upcoming "Battle Pass" for example (or so called, "New Progression"), achievements and so on.
Ben Lee said this year that the new game mode "will be similar in scope and scale to Arena". I doubt he would say so, if this was just a BG feature...
Just be patient and surely, closer to October we will see more on (or maybe even play?) the new game mode :)
Nerfs and Buffs Arrive Next Week! Our Thoughts on the Upcoming Hearthstone Card Changes
They overbuffed those 2 cards imo.
First Day Of School - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread
Yeah, KANSAS, thepowrofcheese and Nirast you've all designed great cards! 4 or 5 stars candidates all of them!
Six Awesome Wild Decks That Won't Break Your Budget
Yeah they are not exactly popular, but they did exist.
Nerfs and Buffs Arrive Next Week! Our Thoughts on the Upcoming Hearthstone Card Changes
Does that make much difference to aggro though? I don't think people are too bothered about it in more value oriented decks where your suggested change will make a big difference.
First Day Of School - Card Design Competition Discussion Thread
KANSAS - I think you're good to go.
MrRhapsody - I guess it's fine as-is now. I'm still a little unsure of the card, but I can't articulate how exactly I feel.
thepowrofcheese - I like the new name a lot; this was a good change. Not sure if the art matches that 100%, but it would be hard to find something else.
Nirast - I like the new iteration. Still viable in an Odd Paladin deck, but requires some setup to grow into a threat.
Nerfs and Buffs Arrive Next Week! Our Thoughts on the Upcoming Hearthstone Card Changes
to be fair you can't really nerf LIghtning Bloom without destryoing it (adding more overload changes basically nothing)
Tortollan Pilgrim will probably get gutted (by making it so it also removes the spell from the deck) if Turtle Mage ever becomes more than a tier 3 mildly competitive troll deck
Idk if they can even change Sorc's at this point because Mage relies so much on spell discounting to do anything that isn't Highlander. I guess you could change it to a battlecry effect so Time Warp Mage isn't a thing anymore
Alec Dawson Explains the Reasoning Behind the September Hearthstone Balance Changes
The thing with Willow is that her effect is to make a lot of stats so her own stats do matter. Personally I think the Mana Reduction and Stat Change is a buff when we get more big Demons but right now it's already super rare to play Willow on curve that this weakens the card more than anything.
The change makes her highroll better, Willow on curve with a big Demon in hand and deck. But it makes the most common play worse, Willow on turn 12 or 13. This will change if we get a chunky Demon next expansion.
Nerfs and Buffs Arrive Next Week! Our Thoughts on the Upcoming Hearthstone Card Changes
Good nerf would be to let it draw 5 cards but update the mechanics to the card text, so SP would shuffle entire hand including created cards into deck
Nerfs and Buffs Arrive Next Week! Our Thoughts on the Upcoming Hearthstone Card Changes
Honestly Secret Passage isn't that bad. I would even argue there are other cards in the rogue arsenal right now that deserved more of a nerf (Burrowed Scorpid is actually pretty overtuned for what it does).
Secret Passage is a solid "draw" card that'll make it so they won't have to print new ones for every upcoming archetype and can instead focus on actually substantial cards
Nerfs and Buffs Arrive Next Week! Our Thoughts on the Upcoming Hearthstone Card Changes
I'm gonna reiterate that the Willow change was most likely done with future support in mind.
They framed it as a compensation buff for Darkglare, but that makes no sense because Big Demon Warlock isn't a thing right now, and this certainly won't change that.
What it does change is how much of a powerplay she will become in the future, at which point her being a 7/7 could actually push her over the edge, so they preemptively adjusted her stats for what she's going to do (or at least what they think she's going to do).
Make no mistake, Big Demon Warlock is almost viable. You have Dreadlord as your core big demon, Willow as your lategame tempo play, Kanrethad Prime as your win condition and Felosophy to copy said win condition twice. Additionally you have the Dark Portal to potentially cheese out Willow or any big demon way earlier and secure easy wins.
All the deck needs to succeed is at least one more big demon (that isn't a legendary) as well as some form of healing that's not as inconsistent as Soul Fragments or requires Mo'arg Artificer
mobalytics tier list - yaaar too many pirates
Sanns - So we agree nocturne sucks, and needs a buff and Taric is possible fine being just okay
Wulf - Leonna is fine, but I guess I wan't her to be better than just a fine do nothing play
Like let's talk about stun synergy that's Yasao, and ravenous flock, both things that aren't part of her kit
and we agree Elise is better than Dianna and she's free
Sol is not a bad card, I just think he's redundant in a region that can pull infinite amazing expensive plays from thin air.
At the end of the day I think the rankings and streamers general unwillingness to run this region supports this opinion.
Like if we break things down, it should be possible to build great midrange, great aggro, and great control instead these Targon archetypes are just okay
Nerfs and Buffs Arrive Next Week! Our Thoughts on the Upcoming Hearthstone Card Changes
I think all the changes are correct.
In particular, I like the fact Secret Passage was given the softest nerf possible, as anything else would have crippled the card to unplayability - despite what all the non-Rogue players keep saying and incorrectly comparing the card with The Soularium.
btw, it's still a nerf by 20%, which is HUGE.
What I don't like is the cards that didn't receive a nerf, that is Lightning Bloom, Tortollan Pilgrim and Sorcerer's Apprentice (although I'm kinda happy I can rely on QMage to contain Reno Priests while I can still efficiently tech against QMage with Neutral cards).
Nerfs and Buffs Arrive Next Week! Our Thoughts on the Upcoming Hearthstone Card Changes
Even with the buff Shaman is still going to be very low on the tier list.
Warlock's nerf hurts, but they deserve it. I'm sure they'll still do some wacky stuff with the Darkglare.
Willow will still see no play - even if there's a lot of mid-range demons they don't impact the board state. Also Demon Hunter has the best big demons around, what the hell?
As someone who got to legend with Rogue last month I'm only marginally upset that Secret Passage got nerfed - draw 4 is still real strong - but lemme tell ya - I've had plenty of games where 4 out of 5 cards were not going to win the game.
Cabal Acolyte's nerf means Convincing Infiltrator might come back in Priest decks since it has more health. but As someone who's had to go up against some priests I'm VERY happy this guy is getting the nerf stick.
Nerfs and Buffs Arrive Next Week! Our Thoughts on the Upcoming Hearthstone Card Changes
I really love using Darkglare. But I can also see why it is problematic. I have been trying to use it in Wild limiting my own plays in accordance to the change of 1 mana as opposed to 2 and it DOES slow things down quite a bit. However, with this change I am anticipating Flesh Giant to get nerf'd to 10 mana because it is still really easy to manipulate your health multiple times in a turn in Wild and people still complaining.
Secret Passage is probably still going to be nerf'd again. The ability for Aggro Rogue to grab 4+ new cards in a turn and play tons of stuff is still really abusive. I can see them changing the mana cost to (2) and being done with it.
Nerfs and Buffs Arrive Next Week! Our Thoughts on the Upcoming Hearthstone Card Changes
I can't quite put my finger on how, but I'm sensing you are not the biggest fan of Darkglare.
mobalytics tier list - yaaar too many pirates
I agree with Fenrir -- all the Targon champs are seeing a high amount of play right now and none of them are outright bad, so its hard to justify any buffs this early.
The only new champ I'm really disappointed in is Nocturne. He's got a solid spot as a partner for Diana, but outside of that niche role it is really hard to build a deck for him. His Play ability is basically an inferior version of Sejuani's, his L2 passive requires multiple nightfall units which is very difficult without splashing Targon, and if you do include Targon you might as well just go back to a Diana + Nocturne build.
Zendikar Rising Card Spoilers for September 4 - 31 New Cards
OOPS!
Don't pin that one on Echo, that was on me! Sorry about that and thank you, added the correct text to the article =)
The Datamined Scholar Jaina Playable Hero is From a Shop Bundle Arriving on September 15
This is an incredibly boring design. If they were going to represent Jaina as a student, why not have a bit of fun with it. Star Student Stelina is oozing with character for instance.
Zendikar Rising Card Spoilers for September 4 - 31 New Cards
The first card's instant side in the section "September 4 Modal DFCs" is missing it's full translation.
Six Awesome Wild Decks That Won't Break Your Budget
Never played against any of them... weird
Nerfs and Buffs Arrive Next Week! Our Thoughts on the Upcoming Hearthstone Card Changes
Duck Farkglare.
[Game] Card Treasure Hunt (The Resurrection Attempt)
If my answer is needed... Yes, now is Live4vrRdieTryin turn.
About non-collectible cards. I think it is allowed, but only what most players know. For example, Huffer or Ashbringer.
Hearthstone's September 5 Card Balance Changes Detailed - Secret Passage Nerfed
I wish they'd fix the golden animations as well, there's a lot of cards that are just missing assets and what's the point of playing a vanity card if it doesn't have the whole art work on it?
mobalytics tier list - yaaar too many pirates
I agree that Taric is well designed but he really does not need a buff, maybe he does but I don't think a health buff is a good idea. At 4 HP he's already kind of hard to deal with by certain decks, and at 5 he'd actually be really good.
I'll agree that Elise is better than Diana but for different reasons, but I can't agree that Lucian is better than Diana. Diana having Challenger is already way better than Lucian is at his base stats. Not to mention that compared to Lucian, Diana is much easier to level up. If you would buff her to a 2/3, then it'd be bad because she'd be really hard to kill because Mystic Shot won't counter her anymore. As a 3/2, she's just insane then.
Nocturne is just a finisher compared to Frenzied Skitterer who is more of a flexible tool for trading. The fact is that leveled Nocturne is a really good finisher and that he is so easy to level and some decks that don't run removal will lose to him pretty hard.
Leona's fine. A 3/5 statline is fine and making her a 4/4 is just a straight-up nerf? Like I don't get what your point is. Yasuo becoming a 4/4 is good because he was a 4/3. She doesn't have a keyword and that's alright. She's supposed to be a basic Champ, a Champ that basically isn't very overpowered but is easy to play or build around. Demacia has Garen, Freljord has Tryndamere, Ionia has Zed, SI has Thresh/Elise, PnZ has Teemo, Noxus has Darius, Bilgewater has Twisted Fate, Targon now has Leona and that's really it.
Targon's Champions may need a slight tweak but most of them (if not all) are already at a good place right now. Taric sees play, Diana sees play, Leona sees play, Aurelion Sol sees play. They're not busted but they're still very decent plays and are easy to level. It will take a bit more time to see where things really are.
The Forbidden Library - Hearthstone Gets a Scholomance Academy Event for September 2020
I am 99% sure that this feature is not the "new game mode" from Roadmap.
In financial report they said they work on "multiple new ways" to play the game, and that was after BG already started. It is a new way to play kind of, but it's just extended lobby for friends.
I think it was also said in interviews, that they increased the team, so more people work on new modes and features I am pretty sure. New features like upcoming "Battle Pass" for example (or so called, "New Progression"), achievements and so on.
Ben Lee said this year that the new game mode "will be similar in scope and scale to Arena". I doubt he would say so, if this was just a BG feature...
Just be patient and surely, closer to October we will see more on (or maybe even play?) the new game mode :)