Hey man, you can practice your original deck against the Innkeeper. He does not run netdecks :)
I only play original decks I created myself because I think that's the best way to have a good time, see how your creation works out in the meta.
But not everybody is like this, most ppl just want to compete and get legend (or try to) and to do that your best (efficient) bet seems to be a netdeck, especially this late in the expansion.
And I am curious: why do you delete them? Because you lost? Your deck did not perform that well against that specific netdeck? You can not expect to spend an hour on a new deck and then be the meta-breaker and defeat all decks out there. This is just not realistic. So first you should have a reasonable expectation of your new creation, which you can then test by playing. Most of the time I make a new deck I have some expectations and I always try to have an idea what the deck is good at and what are the weaknesses.
So basically: expect less, enjoy more. It's like that with a lot of things in life.
I'm not deleting them instantly ofc. I can't play with same decks repeatedly (like 10 games for example) because it bores me so much. I am always deleting those but playing with them afterwards (thanks to deck tracker). I am deleting them because deckslots aren't enough for me. I already have a thread here as "Unlimited Deck Slots". :D
It is same for me for any other game. I am playing Heroes of the Storm for example and can't play with same heroes repeatedly on there too. Same for overwatch. :D
Of course i am testing my decks but those tests are long term tests for me not for just one or two days. For example; I am playing a Thief deck with Sir Finley Mrrglton for 5 games then changing it and test my quest Paladin after 5 games change it again to some control Reno hunter then change into first deck again. I am saving them to my deck tracker and tinker sometimes.
That post of mine was a momentary rage. :D I really hate netdecks and the situations about online games which i already mentioned in my earlier post.
Thanks for Innkeeper suggestion but he uses same classic deck aswell. That's boring too. :D
But I really don't understand why they want to be competitive so much, even for friendly duels. Do they have to satisfy their ego when they crush my meme-Talanji deck with their Conjurer Mage deck in a friendly duel ? What kind of deviance is this ?
Such a great card, for Thief rogue or Tempo Rogue. Both will use this.
I'm afraid another Rogue quest will be nerfed. This seems so powerful.
We can now replace weapon buffs with another cards for Thief Rogue maybe?
I've thought that quests this time has little effective than old ones when i first saw Supreme Archaeology. It ended up almost all are kind of powerful.
Edit: Btw i wrote under reveal article but wanted to write here too.
Besides Blink Fox and Hench-Clan Burglar there is also the new Bazaar Mugger. And you can use Shadowstep of course, or discover more copies of Pilfer through lackeys. Face Collector can give you cards from other classes, but only about half of the time, since there are a lot of neutral legendaries.
Technically Academic Espionage also works, but then you're not playing a tempo deck and I'm not sure whether the upgraded hero power is all that useful in a value game.
Pharaoh Cat can also give a class minion and it is a great 1 drop.
It was the greatest mistake to make this odd/even mechanic for constructed format.
No, it's not. You have more bombs in wild than Odd/Even. Wild is called w i l d for a reason.
With your arguements Highlander decks are an mistake too, because they grant you strong cards for deck restriction and by that Genn and Baku restricts your deck even more, but they are fine just because they don't have immidiate value? Most of the Baku/Genn Decks aren't even played, only 3 Decks Evenshaman and Oddpaladin and occasionally Evenlock. This decks, because they have cards that synergise with their heropower and get sth. on board. So it's always a board fight vs those swarm decks. Every control deck can manage this.
I played 2-3 games this night two was against Evenshaman and one vs Combo/Shuddershaman on R4; and which matchup I hated more? Shudder, because it wasn't very interactive at all with their combo pieces on mass. It feels frustrating and feels like it has no weakness except fast decks. But I guess I just took the wrong deck, the weak Questwarrior with Odd package. Losing to Evenshaman on the other side wasn't frustrating at all, only one thing that i hated, buts just HS in general, he won the brawl with a full board and got his sea giant survived into t8 Lichking play. Same goes too Oddpally both are similiar, but i don't think their are unfair, because they actually need to fight for the board and that's what I like on HS, when decks fights for the board, while Freezemage or Shudderwock/Combo don't require a board.
But these decks also belongs to wild and have their weaknesses, so I don't demand nerfs to them, because they are frustrating to play against, but not oppressive at all compared other nerfed decks like Naga or old Questrogue, which I miss, because I liked to punish combo decks with it :(.
Highlander decks don't force you to play an archetype and also Highlander Archetype doesn't force designers to balance cards around those cards. Its restriction is simplier than odd/even. You don't gain anything for a game long for Highlander effects. It's just a card which you used once or bunch of times with bounce effects.
All of them Except Raza the ChainedSir Finley of the Sands have one time effect and Sir Finley's effect is just random so you can't build a deck around an upgraded hero power and Raza the Chained is already Genn Greymane for highlander decks which is more balanced version with all hero powers not just for basic one.
If we come to Genn Greymane and Baku the Mooneater, yes they were a mistake. It doesn't even comparable with Highlander archetype. Highlander archetype can also limit design space if there is a card which gains a start of game effect but it still wouldn't limit like Odd/Even mechanic. It doesn't bring balance issues with mana costs. It just limits deckbuilding not designing so that's why I'm calling Odd/even with Start of game mechanic was a mistake.
Think like that; if Baku the Mooneater was like "Start of Game: If your deck has no duplicates, Your hero power is upgraded.", Would it be same limiting like this ? In my opinion, It would be even more balanced but for deckbuilding. It wouldn't even limit design space.
Edit: Also; what i am saying is not a personal taste, it was a statement. Some people can enjoy more against combo, control, mid-range or aggro; Or someone can hate to play against combo, control, mid-range or aggro. This is a personal taste. I am stating a situation about designing cards and archetypes. So your feelings about Shudderwock Shaman and Even Shaman is just for you. That's a personal taste and feeling, not a situation. I was not about popularity or how much Odd/even decks in the ladder or how it feels to play with or/and against Odd/even decks. I was about a problem which limits designers and players both.
btw, I'm mostly playing wild and I don't really care decks in wild here in this discussion because when we discuss those, there comes feelings, tastes etc.
I am spending 1 hour to make my decks, half an hour to play and 1 minute to delete thanks to all of the netdecks.
Is that possible to enjoy this game without a friend really ?
Even In-game friends are like hearthstone bots who plays only netdecks while we are dueling. This game's community is trash.
Any game's community is trash i guess. Whenever I play an online game, it feels like this.
People can't be geniune, original and unique even for a second. That's why I like Solo Adventures. Quests need to be completable in Solo Adventures too.
Fuck Twitch, Fuck streamers, fuck youtube; I really missed old times which all people tries to make his own strategy in games.
If you can't enjoy this game, it is not because you don't like cards or something about the game, it is because what you face and play against all the time. Same shit everyday and this is same with any other card game and any other online game.
Fucking humans. I guess I am a racist who hates its own kind.
I am not about nerfing genn or baku but wanted to say sth. about this situation for Hearthstone.
It was the greatest mistake to make this odd/even mechanic for constructed format. I mean, It will be ok if they design these Genn Greymane and Baku the Mooneater for a new format like brawl, or they could have made brawl a format which we can choose a mode to play between a bunch of modes.
Sooner or later Baku and Genn will limit the design space. Designing and balancing all of the cards around 2 cards all the time is hard. Harder than some people think even it is only for mana costs and please don't say that They don't even consider wild for balance.
So, They might not be problem yet or they are problem already I really don't know but They will be huge problem at some day I'm sure of it.
I don't think it will be Zilliax-level because of Zilliax' Lifesteal and Magnetic part. Also Zilliax can be cheated from deck and graveyard and dooesn't lose any keywords. This is just 6/6 with no keywords if it is summoned from deck or resurrect effects. Not flexible enough to be like Zilliax but still a cool minion.
I don't get the last line of text "return it to life with full life" was that line necessary? I mean does it mean it doesn't remove buffs, or reapply reborn/divine shield? Does this combo combo with shadow madness to deal more damage instead of stealing the minion then?
The wording makes this card weird wonder how will it interact with reborn, divine shield and madness minions.
nah, it is well if you ask me because of Reincarnate. It also has same wording. They won't keep enchantments unless they are set on minion's original copy.
If you do this on a reborn minion which has not died yet, do you get two minions, one with reborn used (and 1 health) and one with reborn still not used?
The wording is so confusing, because it states that the minion is returned with full health, as if we should expect the minion to not return to full health, like reborn. Then I read the text of Reincarnate, and it says the same. Confusion lifted :D
And although 3 damage is not a guaranteed clear that would be too OP for 3 mana. But with this secret in your deck it becomes much more appealing to also add the cheap aoe spells like Arcane Explosion and Shooting Star. Btw: does it stack with spell damage in the same way Explosive Runes did?
If you do this on a reborn minion which has not died yet, do you get two minions, one with reborn used (and 1 health) and one with reborn still not used?
It would be a hunter card and then they saw their class identity claims so they threw it in neutral.
mmm, flavor
You will pay for that, Cur ! and;
You're shivering, Are you afraid ? Frost Lich Jaina one of the best !
I'm not deleting them instantly ofc. I can't play with same decks repeatedly (like 10 games for example) because it bores me so much. I am always deleting those but playing with them afterwards (thanks to deck tracker). I am deleting them because deckslots aren't enough for me. I already have a thread here as "Unlimited Deck Slots". :D
It is same for me for any other game. I am playing Heroes of the Storm for example and can't play with same heroes repeatedly on there too. Same for overwatch. :D
Of course i am testing my decks but those tests are long term tests for me not for just one or two days. For example; I am playing a Thief deck with Sir Finley Mrrglton for 5 games then changing it and test my quest Paladin after 5 games change it again to some control Reno hunter then change into first deck again. I am saving them to my deck tracker and tinker sometimes.
That post of mine was a momentary rage. :D I really hate netdecks and the situations about online games which i already mentioned in my earlier post.
Thanks for Innkeeper suggestion but he uses same classic deck aswell. That's boring too. :D
But I really don't understand why they want to be competitive so much, even for friendly duels. Do they have to satisfy their ego when they crush my meme-Talanji deck with their Conjurer Mage deck in a friendly duel ? What kind of deviance is this ?
it can turn your random shitty cards(Glacial Mysteries) to benefit btw. Nice tech for shitty cards you have to hold. :P
It is same with going for a concert.
If I think that I will enjoy I am going that concert; If I think that I will enjoy this expansion, I am buying it.
It is the service that we are buying, not the cards or hero skins. It's also highlighted terms of use by blizzard. They have all the rights.
So if I am enjoying after i bought, it is worth. Don't care meta, archetypes or anything so much. I only care for my joy about hearthstone.
it opens up 6 card slots for Thief Rogue decks; 1x Raiding Party + Captain Greenskin + 2x Deadly Poison + 2x Spectral Cutlass.
I really loved the card and I hope it won't get nerfed.
Such a great card, for Thief rogue or Tempo Rogue. Both will use this.
I'm afraid another Rogue quest will be nerfed. This seems so powerful.
We can now replace weapon buffs with another cards for Thief Rogue maybe?
I've thought that quests this time has little effective than old ones when i first saw Supreme Archaeology. It ended up almost all are kind of powerful.
Edit: Btw i wrote under reveal article but wanted to write here too.
it opens up 6 card slots for Thief Rogue decks; 1x Raiding Party + Captain Greenskin + 2x Deadly Poison + 2x Spectral Cutlass.
Pharaoh Cat can also give a class minion and it is a great 1 drop.
Highlander decks don't force you to play an archetype and also Highlander Archetype doesn't force designers to balance cards around those cards. Its restriction is simplier than odd/even. You don't gain anything for a game long for Highlander effects. It's just a card which you used once or bunch of times with bounce effects.
Odd/even archetype would be cool if it was for only cards like Black Cat, Gloom Stag, Murkspark Eel and Glitter Moth but it wasn't.
Look at Highlander cards. Reno Jackson, Kazakus, Raza the Chained, Inkmaster Solia, Krul the Unshackled and new ones Dinotamer Brann, Reno the Relicologist, Sir Finley of the Sands and Elise the Enlightened.
All of them Except Raza the Chained Sir Finley of the Sands have one time effect and Sir Finley's effect is just random so you can't build a deck around an upgraded hero power and Raza the Chained is already Genn Greymane for highlander decks which is more balanced version with all hero powers not just for basic one.
If we come to Genn Greymane and Baku the Mooneater, yes they were a mistake. It doesn't even comparable with Highlander archetype. Highlander archetype can also limit design space if there is a card which gains a start of game effect but it still wouldn't limit like Odd/Even mechanic. It doesn't bring balance issues with mana costs. It just limits deckbuilding not designing so that's why I'm calling Odd/even with Start of game mechanic was a mistake.
Think like that; if Baku the Mooneater was like "Start of Game: If your deck has no duplicates, Your hero power is upgraded.", Would it be same limiting like this ? In my opinion, It would be even more balanced but for deckbuilding. It wouldn't even limit design space.
Edit: Also; what i am saying is not a personal taste, it was a statement. Some people can enjoy more against combo, control, mid-range or aggro; Or someone can hate to play against combo, control, mid-range or aggro. This is a personal taste. I am stating a situation about designing cards and archetypes. So your feelings about Shudderwock Shaman and Even Shaman is just for you. That's a personal taste and feeling, not a situation. I was not about popularity or how much Odd/even decks in the ladder or how it feels to play with or/and against Odd/even decks. I was about a problem which limits designers and players both.
btw, I'm mostly playing wild and I don't really care decks in wild here in this discussion because when we discuss those, there comes feelings, tastes etc.
I am spending 1 hour to make my decks, half an hour to play and 1 minute to delete thanks to all of the netdecks.
Is that possible to enjoy this game without a friend really ?
Even In-game friends are like hearthstone bots who plays only netdecks while we are dueling. This game's community is trash.
Any game's community is trash i guess. Whenever I play an online game, it feels like this.
People can't be geniune, original and unique even for a second. That's why I like Solo Adventures. Quests need to be completable in Solo Adventures too.
Fuck Twitch, Fuck streamers, fuck youtube; I really missed old times which all people tries to make his own strategy in games.
If you can't enjoy this game, it is not because you don't like cards or something about the game, it is because what you face and play against all the time. Same shit everyday and this is same with any other card game and any other online game.
Fucking humans. I guess I am a racist who hates its own kind.
I am not about nerfing genn or baku but wanted to say sth. about this situation for Hearthstone.
It was the greatest mistake to make this odd/even mechanic for constructed format. I mean, It will be ok if they design these Genn Greymane and Baku the Mooneater for a new format like brawl, or they could have made brawl a format which we can choose a mode to play between a bunch of modes.
Sooner or later Baku and Genn will limit the design space. Designing and balancing all of the cards around 2 cards all the time is hard. Harder than some people think even it is only for mana costs and please don't say that They don't even consider wild for balance.
So, They might not be problem yet or they are problem already I really don't know but They will be huge problem at some day I'm sure of it.
I don't think it will be Zilliax-level because of Zilliax' Lifesteal and Magnetic part. Also Zilliax can be cheated from deck and graveyard and dooesn't lose any keywords. This is just 6/6 with no keywords if it is summoned from deck or resurrect effects. Not flexible enough to be like Zilliax but still a cool minion.
#reworkIllidan Stormrage
Blizzard ! HEAR ME !
Obsidian Destroyer's sticky brother.
and this is why Illidan Stormrage needs to be reworked. Poor Illidan.
nah, it is well if you ask me because of Reincarnate. It also has same wording. They won't keep enchantments unless they are set on minion's original copy.
I mean, of course a Sunwalker will keep its Divine Shield but Acolyte of Pain won't be resummoned with divine shield and +4/+4 buff if you used Potion of Heroism and Blessing of Kings on it.
Yeah but Reincarnate and Wretched Reclaimer won't summon the 1 health one. Minion with reborn keyword summons that 1 health copy so it stays at 1 health after you use Wretched Reclaimer.
For Example:
There is a Bone Wraith on board after you used Wretched Reclaimer on it, it summons Bone Wraith + Bone Wraith with 1 health and no reborn.
Btw @Kovachut is right. If you use Wretched Reclaimer on Bone Wraith with 1 health and no Reborn, it also summons Bone Wraith with Reborn. It works like resummoning a silenced minion like how your silenced Sylvanas Windrunner will be summoned as non-silenced by N'Zoth, the Corruptor or Resurrect etc. .
Probably yes because Explosive Trap gets + damage from spell damage. I've experienced it with Azure Drake and Bloodmage Thalnos.
Yes. Remember how Reincarnate + Cairne Bloodhoof works. It summons Cairne Bloodhoof + Baine Bloodhoof. Reborn works like Deathrattle.
+ Value for Pharaoh Cat.