Funny side-note. I've gone to the site a few times to compare forum activity and Out of Cards on multiple occasions has had more recent discussion. You'll see the most recent 4 threads on Pwn be made within the past 3 hours where Out of Cards had 5 posts within an hour.
Deck discussion is definitely a bit more active there than here, but we're just getting things started so I think its okay.
Our activity in the forums is higher but their decklists have more views by order of magnitudes when compared to lists on this site with similar age
Makes a lot of sense, since people who mostly used the HP forums would have heard the news while those who use the site as a decklist host won't care/know about the change
We should try and come up with a plan to recuperate that.
I suggested to propose a teaming up with some meta tracker website, say VS since they are basically without a discussion-productive community. We could be their community (including homebrewing and tracker feeding), and they could be our professional netdecking front-end.
Or anything else ofc.
On the long run, it's important to keep up with netdecking in order to feed our own community. Homebrewing is not enough by definition (when homebrewing becomes influential, it's netdecking, and that's when it becomes worthy of discussion).
PS: you can see we need some adjustment in how our Wild hot decks generate more traffic than Standard ones. As much as I don't care of Standard, we need it in order to generate traction for the community (at least, until Wild becomes more popular than Standard in-game...).
I think the best approach is to play enough across expansions to know which classes attracts you the least, possibly not at all.
And not because of their current meta decks and tiers, but above all because of their typical PLAYSTYLE and FLAVOR.
And you can understand that when you feel you are never going to climb with those classes, even if they had different decks as current ones, even if they were top tiers.
If you can do that, target a couple of classes you simply hate, you can systematically ditch their expensive cards, making them your dust bank (only dust legendaries AFTER you stop buying cards for a given exp, because of the non-duplicate rule).
The more you can target the better, but beware of rush or narrow-sighted judgements: you might regret it later.
ie In my case it is Warlock and Warrior. I used to think i could ditch more, but in time i found out it was not the case. Just those 2.
Neutrals should always be kept, unless obviously memes.
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Beyond that, and beyond owning staple cards, it's hard to decide what to actually disenchant, even with reports at hand, because the power of a card may change drastically across different expansions, especially if someday you will step into Wild.
Sure you were clear, maybe i wasn't: my point is a large portion of BP players are actually "intruders", not really Priest players, just people who like memes and stomping with phat minions.
So that even if there is a different Priest t1 deck, the BP population would remain mostly the same (unless that t1 deck could also counter BP).
Ofc i have no proof, but your own case, plus an analysis of how Priest historically works, compared with BP, suggest the two things are only loosely related within the Priest population.
BP is not their counter. Not yet at least. So nerfing BP won't actually make more room for Aggro.
Currently, the best counters to Aggro are Even Shaman, Even Warlock and Odd Rogue. Those are top tier decks together with Aggro, so for now the meta is in check (even if at a very fast clock).
The only abominations are Big Priest and Darkest Hour Warlock.
As a regular Wild player now, I completely understand why it's overcrowded with Big Priests. So many aggro decks out there. This game is becoming too polarized, sadly...
It is actually the other way around: there are so many Aggro decks because they are the best way to beat the obnoxious and overpopular Big Priest.
Surely Wild Aggro is insanely strong on its own, but Big Priest is definitely NOT there because it is the answer to Aggro.
Shadow Visions is a huge card, staple in every Priest deck, but I bet you can replace with a second Firetree Witchdoctor or Topsy Turvy for even more budget, and just a minor downside.
Plus, i would hope they dive more into the Oracle flavor, eg Mind Vision, Crystalline Oracle, than some forceful psionic intrusion such as Thoughtsteal or Devour Mind, which sounds more pertaining to Shadow Priest.
And that only Sylvanas Windrunner discovered. So she acted according to what she knows, and what she thinks to be the only possibility to save the weak balance of the planet (cruel war).
I can't really think of another "good" reason to destroy Teldrassil and mercilessly slaughter its population.
Sorry for being naive, but doesn't burning down Teldrassil have to do with killing the Night Elves' hope and showing them, that there is no moral when war is at hand?
There is also a user, who explains this in the official wow forums:
Exactly, so, if the leaks are true, and Sylvanas is actually trying to stop N'zoth, there must be an explanation that makes her recent actions and intentions (destroying Teldrassil) coherent with her assumed secret purpose.
That's why I imagined a N'zoth that would be able to grow through peace. That would make permanent war a way to keep the Old God dormant, hence the destruction of Teldrassil by Sylvanas: to raise hate, and fuel the war.
The only possible plot twist I can imagine is a special feature of N'Zoth, the Corruptor himself, who may actually gain more power from a state of peace (the opposite of a Sha of Pandaria), and/or from the full awakening of Azeroth, being too deeply attached to her soul.
And that only Sylvanas Windrunner discovered. So she acted according to what she knows, and what she thinks to be the only possibility to save the weak balance of the planet (cruel war).
I can't really think of another "good" reason to destroy Teldrassil and mercilessly slaughter its population.
Actually the popularity of Big Priest is so high because the whole class is missing a good alternative. Priest has almost always lacked a decent finisher, leaving each archetype a less than effective deck.
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I was a Priest main, but I've turned away from the class since it's plain terrible how Devs have decided to just leave it in such an awfull condition for so much time.
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I think you just contradicted yourself there, at least partly. You were a Priest main, but abandoned it, because you found it lackluster. You didn't dig into BP, even if you could.
Similarly, I seriously doubt the current Big Priest population is so large because most of them are Priest mains.
I also seriously doubt people move according to their main class at all. I would argue the meta populations are more defined by how the decks work and perform, much more than the class they belong to.
ie. I am a Rogue main, yet I use Even Shaman to climb, even if I could use an equally top tier Rogue deck (Odd Rogue). I just feel more confident with Even Shaman, and so that's my most used deck for ladder. Despite my main class.
Unfortunately some of the moderators such as Flux have left questionable statements to hearthpwn threads related to the changes that have made many people choose to pick a side. The moderators hopefully did not intend for this to happen but their words only encouraged more hate to the new owners of the website. In my honest opinion it was probably slightly intended due to how badly Flux was burned. I am in favor of keeping the community together rather than dividing it but Flux wants this website to grow and not die. This all could be resolved better, but the new owners of Hearthpwn do not deserve any of the hate. If anything they could prove to be better moderators if people give them a chance. Complaining the website has not gone through many changes yet is beyond silly and petty.
The community was divided by Curse and their poor choices, not by current OOC staff.
The new HP owners don't deserve any hate, but they certainly don't deserve to be helped by OOC community and staff. Nobody asked them to buy a shipwrecked website.
I'm sorry but gong to those threads as a moderator and making lukewarm statements is encouraging hate. Curse made questionable decisions but it did not encourage hate. Continuation on replying to the post and giving lukewarm sentiments is heavy encouragement. If anything Flux even sharing the information that he attempted to buy the website to begin with is even more encouraging of hate. The user base knowing this information doesn't benefit anyone except one individual to have more people on their side.
What you are mentioning is just the consequency of a process that was already in progress, and it was started by Curse.
Once the community was pushed to flee to OOC because HP was closing, the split was already made, and at that point, the new OOC staff had all the rights to evacuate as many as possible from the sinking boat, and i'm glad they did it.
Finally, HP is a complex but awful platform. I'm happy we had the chance to mass-flee towards a new one.
The community would already be fully reunited here, if the new owners didn't try to necro the old website. So, at this point, it's just a matter of perspective.
We should try and come up with a plan to recuperate that.
I suggested to propose a teaming up with some meta tracker website, say VS since they are basically without a discussion-productive community. We could be their community (including homebrewing and tracker feeding), and they could be our professional netdecking front-end.
Or anything else ofc.
On the long run, it's important to keep up with netdecking in order to feed our own community. Homebrewing is not enough by definition (when homebrewing becomes influential, it's netdecking, and that's when it becomes worthy of discussion).
PS: you can see we need some adjustment in how our Wild hot decks generate more traffic than Standard ones. As much as I don't care of Standard, we need it in order to generate traction for the community (at least, until Wild becomes more popular than Standard in-game...).
If you plan to play Wild in its full extent, with all kinds of decks and archetypes, from Aggro to Reno, then yes, it's definitely worth it.
But if your spectrum of archetypes is more selective, then you should check first.
As usual, define your 'fun'.
For me, fun is Miracle and Tempo, so I would suggest you Miracle Mage and Even Shaman.
Miracle Priest too now that i have built my version of it :p (in my signature).
I think the best approach is to play enough across expansions to know which classes attracts you the least, possibly not at all.
And not because of their current meta decks and tiers, but above all because of their typical PLAYSTYLE and FLAVOR.
And you can understand that when you feel you are never going to climb with those classes, even if they had different decks as current ones, even if they were top tiers.
If you can do that, target a couple of classes you simply hate, you can systematically ditch their expensive cards, making them your dust bank (only dust legendaries AFTER you stop buying cards for a given exp, because of the non-duplicate rule).
The more you can target the better, but beware of rush or narrow-sighted judgements: you might regret it later.
ie In my case it is Warlock and Warrior. I used to think i could ditch more, but in time i found out it was not the case. Just those 2.
Neutrals should always be kept, unless obviously memes.
____
Beyond that, and beyond owning staple cards, it's hard to decide what to actually disenchant, even with reports at hand, because the power of a card may change drastically across different expansions, especially if someday you will step into Wild.
Sure you were clear, maybe i wasn't: my point is a large portion of BP players are actually "intruders", not really Priest players, just people who like memes and stomping with phat minions.
So that even if there is a different Priest t1 deck, the BP population would remain mostly the same (unless that t1 deck could also counter BP).
Ofc i have no proof, but your own case, plus an analysis of how Priest historically works, compared with BP, suggest the two things are only loosely related within the Priest population.
BP is not their counter. Not yet at least. So nerfing BP won't actually make more room for Aggro.
Currently, the best counters to Aggro are Even Shaman, Even Warlock and Odd Rogue. Those are top tier decks together with Aggro, so for now the meta is in check (even if at a very fast clock).
The only abominations are Big Priest and Darkest Hour Warlock.
It is actually the other way around: there are so many Aggro decks because they are the best way to beat the obnoxious and overpopular Big Priest.
Surely Wild Aggro is insanely strong on its own, but Big Priest is definitely NOT there because it is the answer to Aggro.
IF Priest might have been hated in the past, but not more than the average top tier deck, and definitely not on the same level as BP.
Tbh, i don't remember IF being a seriously hated deck at all in Wild.
Shadow Visions is a huge card, staple in every Priest deck, but I bet you can replace with a second Firetree Witchdoctor or Topsy Turvy for even more budget, and just a minor downside.
Indeed.
I think it's just a side-effect of a missing spec in the queries.
Well done Regis! Go show 'em one can play a normal Priest deck in Wild and be successful with it!
Website note: we have Brawl decks "polluting" the Wild section. :P
Btw, the bug "refreshes" every time you modify the deck, even if you already "fixed" it previously.
Plus, i would hope they dive more into the Oracle flavor, eg Mind Vision, Crystalline Oracle, than some forceful psionic intrusion such as Thoughtsteal or Devour Mind, which sounds more pertaining to Shadow Priest.
It was just a hypothesis ofc. I didn't imply I would like it.
Actually, following my own taste, Sylvanas wouldn't have become a Garrosh 2.0 at all. I would have looked for a different cause to renew the conflict.
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Exactly, so, if the leaks are true, and Sylvanas is actually trying to stop N'zoth, there must be an explanation that makes her recent actions and intentions (destroying Teldrassil) coherent with her assumed secret purpose.
That's why I imagined a N'zoth that would be able to grow through peace. That would make permanent war a way to keep the Old God dormant, hence the destruction of Teldrassil by Sylvanas: to raise hate, and fuel the war.
The only possible plot twist I can imagine is a special feature of N'Zoth, the Corruptor himself, who may actually gain more power from a state of peace (the opposite of a Sha of Pandaria), and/or from the full awakening of Azeroth, being too deeply attached to her soul.
And that only Sylvanas Windrunner discovered. So she acted according to what she knows, and what she thinks to be the only possibility to save the weak balance of the planet (cruel war).
I can't really think of another "good" reason to destroy Teldrassil and mercilessly slaughter its population.
If the leak about her is true ofc.
I think you just contradicted yourself there, at least partly. You were a Priest main, but abandoned it, because you found it lackluster. You didn't dig into BP, even if you could.
Similarly, I seriously doubt the current Big Priest population is so large because most of them are Priest mains.
I also seriously doubt people move according to their main class at all. I would argue the meta populations are more defined by how the decks work and perform, much more than the class they belong to.
ie. I am a Rogue main, yet I use Even Shaman to climb, even if I could use an equally top tier Rogue deck (Odd Rogue). I just feel more confident with Even Shaman, and so that's my most used deck for ladder. Despite my main class.
What you are mentioning is just the consequency of a process that was already in progress, and it was started by Curse.
Once the community was pushed to flee to OOC because HP was closing, the split was already made, and at that point, the new OOC staff had all the rights to evacuate as many as possible from the sinking boat, and i'm glad they did it.
Finally, HP is a complex but awful platform. I'm happy we had the chance to mass-flee towards a new one.
The community would already be fully reunited here, if the new owners didn't try to necro the old website. So, at this point, it's just a matter of perspective.