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I'm so annoyed with the way constructed quests work. Let's say I'm playing and losing badly in turn 6. The opponent has a full board and almost lethal. Let's say it's a shaman so he has like 5 things in hand to get lethal.

The normal thing to do would be to concede, but I can't because I have a 'play x games with mage' quest. The opponent of course wonders why I didn't concede, but pressed End Turn instead and thinks well, let's continue this game for a pretty long time before I kill you. Makes sense right, that is what I used to do before I realized these stupid quests make this behaviour happen.

Hey there dear Oocians! Let me welcome you the third Rewards Track Thread! I was waiting for someone else to make this thread, but after a week into the new expansion I´ve decided to make another one myself. Maybe some of you are tired of it already or simply don´t care, but for those of us, who want to track their progress, and see how is everyone else doing, this is the right place! I wish you´ll enjoy the new climb and hope you´ll end up higher than in the previous one!

OK, I´ll start then:

I´ve hoarded the 3 Weekly and Daily quests and bought the TP once again, so I´ve jumped to lvl 24 the first day I believe.. After a week in I´m at lvl 45, which feels good so far, but I know the climb will become way too slower. I´ve started to do the new XP achievements aswell, currently I´m at 30% done.

So, how are you all doing? Feel free to share your journey with us, your thoughts, feelings - happy or sad, just keep it friendly as usual, please. Have fun! :)

Greetings everyone, and welcome to the submission thread of the first episode of our brand new Duels series: Master Duelist.

General Information

This challenge will begin today, August 10th, and will end on August 31st. During this window of time, you'll have to start a Duels run with a starting deck including Y'Shaarj, the Defiler and 3 other Corrupt cards of your choice, being them either class or neutral cards. 

Everyone who'll post proof of a 7+ wins run in this article's comment section will be awarded with a different amount of gold, an in-site currency you'll be able to earn from different activities and that will be used to purchase cosmetics in our in-site shop.

Submission Rules

In order for your run to count towards the challenge, you'll have to provide an appropriate proof of your feat; otherwise, your result won't count. To be precise, you will have to reply to this forum thread including:

• a picture of how your run ended;
• a picture of your starting deck;
• a picture(s) of your final deck.
• any other information you want: even though it's not necessary, it may help other players or generate a discussion!

Remember that we have to make sure you actually played following the rules, so please help us in doing so - disqualifying players feels bad, and we'd want to avoid it if possible!

Challenge Rewards

Here's a quick breakdown explaining the rewards you'll receive based on your performances:

Moreover, who will obtain the best score in the least amount of will also have the chance of suggesting the next challenge's theme! 

The winner will be contacted through Direct Messages, where the next challenge's theme will be discussed. In case no one will be able to hit 12 wins before the deadline, the next challenge's theme will be decided by none less than Avalon himself.

Time Criteria

Those which follow are the time criteria we'll use to determine the winner in case of identical scores:

• An Heroic run will be considered more difficult than a Casual one, therefore Heroic players will have the priority.
  • If you get the best score overall with a 10-wins run in Casual and somebody else gets a 10-wins run in Heroic, the latter will be the winner of the challenge.
• In case of more people getting the same score, the winner will be decided by the submission time.
  • If more players will get to 12 wins, losses will count as well: a 12-0 will be considered better than a 12-2 or a 12-1. 
  • You could get the highest score on the first day as well as on the last day of the challenge, but if someone submits the same score before you do, then they'll be the winner.

Closing Information

If you want to learn more about this challenge, make sure to visit our guide page, where you'll be able to find a couple of starting decks provided by ourselves in order for you to take inspiration for your runs.

Moreover, don't forged to share your own creations with the community by adding them to our deck database via our deckbuilder.

Alright, did I get your attention? Now let me explain this. Since I've opened The Demon Seed I've been working hard to farm the achievement, because initially I thought it would get nerfed hard and therefore it would be better to start grinding now.

However, after playing with all 3 different builds (the Control deck burn one, the Zoo one, and the combo one) I came to realize that all these decks suffer from the exact problem most people cited for why the Quest would fail. You die very fast and getting downn the Quest reward is much harder than it might look like...and yet, people get run over by the deck, growing increasingly frustrated.

So how does that work?

Flesh Giant

Flesh Giant is how that works.

This one card is the ONLY reason why Warlock is even playable at this stage. The Quest is not as fast as it seems. Sure, sometimes you draw the absolute nuts and get Tamsin by turn 5, but that's only possible in the Zoo variant and doesn't happen often. It absolutely cannot race Mage or any aggro deck in any capacity. Most board centric decks can run you down before you even get to complete your quests, and not even an abundance of healing will save you. However, the Quest, and most importantly it's mid-rewards, allow you to turbo out Flesh Giants that then proceed to run over your opponent (try running [Hearthstone Card (Battlegrounds Battlemaster) Not Found] and see how many more games you win just by way of Giant beatdown).

I'm serious by the way, I've been playing the deck basically non-stop to complete the quest and 90% of the time I either win or lose before completing it. It's actually kind of funny how the deck whose main gameplan should be winning through fatigue redirection and lategame burst, but instead the Quest functions more as a 1-mana deal 6/heal 6/discount Giants by 2.

Mark my words, if Warlock gets ANY nerfs at all it will be Flesh Giant up to 10 or higher and the whole deck just falls on its face and dies to aggro to the point where not even hard control will keep them alive long enough to finish it (or will have to run so many survival tools that you won't complete the quest fast enough for it to be a threat).

Oh yeah, and nerf [Hearthstone Card (Battlegrounds Battlemaster) Not Found] into the fucking ground, that card is a retarded abomination and whoever thought it was acceptable to print should be forced to find client bugs for the rest of his career, holy fucking shit.

To their developers: Wow, do you even bother to test what you release? We have here two insanely easy to complete quests that result in non interactive damage to the face. How....is....that.....fun? Draw, mana cheat and generation are all rolled into one and all you need to do is throw in all the obvious fits in and these two decks play themselves. You're absolutely helpless to beat them with anything else.

To the fanbase: How do you sleep at night? Every victory you achieve Is no different THAN A PARTICIPATION TROPHY. you are playing a deck that requires ZERO skill and you are so insecure that you only play it because your need to win is more important than actually EARNING glory. Youve jumped on board to everything that makes this game suck and the sane reaction to winning with them would be guilt or emptiness. 

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I've been going back and forth on writing this thread for a couple of months because I couldn't find a way to frame it that I was happy with, and if I couldn't convince myself I'd never convince anyone else. But the early Stormwind meta has added some clarity to the picture, so here goes...

I'm pretty sure the state of card draw is one of, if not the biggest problem in Hearthstone right now. Put simply, its more efficient than is good for the game. There's too much of it, it's too cheap, and it too often tutors key cards. It's not just the classes that are supposed to be great at drawing cards, its everyone. To varying degrees sure - rogue is still better at it than most - but not to much significance. Even the classes that are supposedly bad at it have card draw that would have been powerful enough to be confined to classes like rogue a couple of years ago. Not to mention super powerful neutral options that guarantee any class has draws for days.

Take Elven Minstrel for example. It was a good card in a very strong expansion in a class that has always had good card draw. Compare it to the likes of Refreshing Spring Water and Primal Dungeoneer, both of which are in classes that were traditionally so-so at drawing cards, and the Minstrel is laughably weak.

Why it's an issue

How did we get here

It's difficult to say for sure since I'm not part of the development team, but I can identify a few possible causes, all of which occurred at a similar time.

What's the fix

If I'm optimistic, a few nerfs to the classes quickly completing game-winning questlines will open up enough space that control can at least test how effective the defensive tools in Stormwind are against aggro. That might be able to reset the archetype match-ups.

Failing that, the best solution probably requires a lot of patience and a change in philosophy from the developers. I say change, but it's really just taking a few steps back. Just as they decided they went too far with the amount of value generation, they would need to believe they have gone too far with card draw too. Tone down card draw in the best classes (DH, rogue and warlock), and let other classes be kinda bad at it again. I appreciate that is quite difficult when DH has a questline that requires crazy card draw, but still.

They cannot realistically nerf their way out of this problem since it affects way too many cards, so we'd probably need to wait for things to rotate.

What I fear is that they 'solve' it through more power creep, by giving control completely broken tools to combat the situation. That would be the point where I might finally consider leaving since so much of my enjoyment in the game is derived from making fun but weak cards work, which is already tough enough as it is.

https://hsreplay.net/replay/gWoU9NZZEV3h4Fn4DNa6i8

The replay is worth a few laughs. :)

Sorry the screenshot isn't better,  tried to snap it before he conceded...but still got the history bar on the left.

Pretty much the title.

When you end the game as another class while playing rogue as Maestra of the Masquerade, you gain experience for the changed class, not for Rogue.

It felt funny so i wanted to open a thread about it. Anyone noticed it or is there any announcement about it which i don't know ? I am asking because It might be a bug.

I've been playing Handlock in wild and recently noticed that shuffling tradeable cards back into the deck (either via effects like Plot Twist or trading) doesn't seem to remove cost reductions on the card. I'm not sure if other buffs would also persist, but that certainly seems wrong.

Just for everyone who is interested, I did some science:

Playing Zul'jin after completing Defend the Dwarven District questline and dropping the reward leads to the following effects:

>Zuljin's Hero Power WILL NOT keep the [It costs (0)]-Buff
-> However, Zuljin will recast the quest after which it can progress/complete from Zuljin's re-casts of damage-dealing spells and regain the [It costs (0)] buff
>Zuljin's Hero Power WILL refresh after a spell is played by you, no matter if the quest reward is played again or not.

This means that any other change to the Hunter Hero Power after the upgrades, it will loose its cost reduction (and minion-targeting-ability, if at all applicable) but refresh when a spell is played. There is of course the option to wait until one plays for example Deathstalker Rexxar before completing the second step of the questline to create a zombeast factory...

But yeah, that's all folks! THought it would be an interesting little tidbit!

Hi everyone. This might be a dumb question, I don't know, but I was trying out Shadow Priest and considered adding the quest to the deck, just for fun and to try it out. To my surprise (?) the quest is considered as a spell and the Start of Game from Benedictus doesn't activate... I guess my question is, why is a quest considered a spell?

Something else I noticed, cost reduction doesn't work to activate the steps in the quest. I played a 10 cost card reduced to 8, and it didn't count towards the completion of the quest. Would've thought it should.

Anyways, wanted to know your opinion on this. 

Is it too early to already want a separate, no-quest ladder? I can't believe how fast I have come to hate this expansion, due to every single game I play involving a quest, and the fact that these quests essentially complete themselves with plain draw RNG. All you do is watch your warrior/hunter/warlock/mage opponent throw their crap down every turn, and hope your bullshit RNG is better than their bullshit RNG, and that's the game. This is, to me, going to be the least interactive, least interesting meta that has ever existed in this game, and I'm already getting sick of it, and I actually feel ashamed when I play that stupid pirate warrior. Please give me hope that the team will step in quickly and make some of these slightly more challenging to complete.

So I cracked all my new United in Stormwind packs that I was able to amass from the gold I've been saving over the past month and crafted a few of the decks for the quests and I gotta say this... Hunter and Warrior are not only ridiculously easy to do, but probably NEED to be nerfed.

I took the garden variety Dwarven Defense deck for Hunter with no changes and just ROFL stomped every single player I came across.  This works even more viciously in Wild with Baku.  I was able to accomplish it as soon as turn 6 and just destroy my opponent. 

The Warrior quest was nearly almost as easy to complete.  Once The Juggernaut hits the board, it's kinda GG for your opponent.  I didn't even try to make a competitive deck, I just threw in some Pirates and Coerce into a deck and destroyed my opponents.  

I've tried the Druid quest and it was lack luster to say the least but that was expected in the card reveal.  I got 2-4 of the other quests that I need to try as well, but honestly, I was shocked at how easy it was to just beat your opponent with the quest rewards of those two so far, so even though the Hunter quest is the ONE thing that has got me liking that class finally after the passed 7 years of playing this game, it really needs to be nerfed as it is waaaaaaaaaaaay too easy to complete.  Thoughts on this and your experiences so far?

So, just opened my 125 United in Stormwind packs, and, I gotta say, I'm hella disappointed. Stat dump below:

• Packs: 125
• Total Cards: 625
  • Rarity Breakdown
    • Common: 453
    • Rare: 139
    • Epic: 29
    • Legendary: 4
• Total dust value: 11030
  • Average Dust / Pack: 88.24
  • Average Dust / Card: 17.65

Compare and Contrast with Forged in the Barrens:

• Packs: 127
  • Total Cards: 635
  • Rarity Breakdown
    • Common: 453
    • Rare: 145
    • Epic: 30
    • Legendary: 7
  • Total dust value: 12530
    • Average Dust / Pack: 98.66
    • Average Dust / Card: 19.73

I'm sure this all falls within statistical norms, but lowrolling Legendaries sucks (one was literally the 40th pack after the previous one). A ~10% decrease on average dust value is a bummer. Plus only one legendary (Raid the Docks) was on my wishlist.

I'm going to get the rewards track packs and use gold on new ones until I hit my next legendary (it's been 30 packs since the last, so it'll be quickish) and then start saving up for the next expansion.

Rant over. Thanks for listening.

Previous threads:

• Darkmoon Faire
• Forged in the Barrens / Wailing Caverns
• Wailing Caverns

TIME-SENSITIVE ALERT: If you didn't get Varian Wrynn, you can take advantage of the current full refund period to craft him, get the achievement, and DE him at no cost. Act now!

I'm making this thread a liiiiiittle early because I want to help people take advantage of what may well be a time-limited opportunity: completing the Rogue and Priest questline-related achievements without owning the required cards. The only alternate way to complete these achievements is to steal the questline rewards from an opposing player, and the Day 1 meta presents a great opportunity for this, as people will be playing unoptimized meme decks and trying out their fancy new cards. It could happen that these questline decks are unviable and almost impossible to find on ladder afterwards, and this is pretty hard to pull off. There are other questline-related achievements, but these two are the only ones that require a one-time event and are therefore viable for these purposes. So how is this done?

Instant Gratification: Draw the Purified Shard the same turn you shuffle it into your deck.

The simplest way to do this is by waiting until they play the questline reward, then on your turn playing Mindrender Illucia + Lorekeeper Polkelt + Prize Vendor or any 'draw a card' effect like a Loot Hoarder or Bloodmage Thalnos deathrattle. Note that tutor effects of any kind ignore deck order, although they do not change Polkelt's ordering of the deck. This will of course only work if your opponent doesn't draw the shard the same turn they play their questline reward. Example deck: AAECAa0GBPvRA/bWA6iKBJegBA3LzQP73wOS5AOhoASY6gP44wPBnwSFnwS24QPXzgOZ6wPo7wPWoAQA

Okay, but what if I don't own Mindrender Illucia? I don't have her either, unfortunately. It's still possible, although it gets a lot messier, with Rogue. The main thrust of the combo will always be Faceless Manipulator + Shadowstep + play questline reward for 3 mana. From there, you need to have played Potion of Illusion on either a Lorekeeper Polkelt or a Primordial Protector so that you can play it for 1 mana here. The nice thing is that both of these cards help you draw the Potion of Illusion from your deck. If you went the Polkelt route, you also need a draw effect that same turn, which can be set up in advance by Silverleaf Poison but can be included in that same turn via discount or coin generation effects with Prize Vendor. Also, if you're lucky, you can steal the reward through Plagiarize. Example deck: AAECAYO6AgTl0QP21gOoigTl0QMN5dMDkuQDmOoDqesDq+sD3uwD9p8E958EoaAErKAE6/YDtuEDitADAA==

Expecting an Exploding Pen?: Play every Spy Gizmo in one game.

This is also done with Rogue. The good thing is you don't need to force the shard draw like in the Priest achievement, but you do need to play 5 1-mana cards, and ideally speaking you want to do this the very same turn you steal the reward, to ensure consistency. The same Faceless Manipulator + Shadowstep + play questline reward for 3 mana base combo remains, however to play all 5 Spy Gizmos you need 13 mana in one turn. Options include: Backstabing an Efficient Octo-bot, aka the dream scenario. Generating enough coins through Loan Shark and Tomb Pillager. Discounting the spell-based Spy Gizmos with Preparation. Having the reward through Plagiarize so you don't need extra mana in the first place. Generally speaking, some combination of these options should get you through. You should note though, that you need the hand space when you play the questline reward. And also that the opponent is likely to play the stealth-giving Spy Gizmo on their questline reward the turn they play it, so you should plan to weather that 9/7. Example deck: AAECAYO6AgKoigSXoAQOzrkDx84D5dMD590DkuQDmOoDq+sDkZ8E9p8E958EoaAErKAE6qAE6/YDAA==

what is a standard pack (new Reward Track) ?

TLDR: Nightmare Amalgam might spoil some minion types incoming!

When searching for "egg" for a DR hunter I noticed that Nightmare Amalgam showed up on the list - which surprised me!

I doublechecked the spelling and the flavour text but couldn't find any hits for "egg" in the card or its description. I assumed that the only way the card would show up would've been that the "ALL" minion type includes more types than are currently present in the game...

And lo and behold, Nightmare Amalgam also shows up when searching some very interesting keywords:

• Elf
• Undead
• Human
• Orc
• Egg
• Troll
• tbc ...

Interestingly enough it does NOT show up for these keyword:

• Treant
• Tauren

Hi guys, 

Planning to buy the tavern pass and buying around 60 packs for gold. 
Now I‘m thinking about todays weekly quests: 

- finish them before go live to benefit of the current xp bonus from barrens tavern pass (and then buy more packs for gold)

- finish them after go live so I get early progress on stormwind tavern pass

Is there a difference or is it just get more gold today vs more gold later (because of the faster progress in stormwind)?

Best, 
Bathala

Welcome to the modern thread of The Card Treasure Hunt. This is a game where you try to guess which Hearthstone card fits the current riddle. When it is solved the winner then comes up with the next one. Feel free to employ poetry, simple questions, modified song lyrics, or anything else your imagination desires.

If you have seen this thread and have always wanted to play I invite you to try- it's a fun distraction to check your phone and look the riddle over. Think it through while you're doing something boring like work or waiting in line : D

There are not many rules aside from not making too many guesses at a time (two at a time is the polite limit). Asking questions to the riddle is advisable if stumped. If it is your turn to make a riddle it is asked that you check in at least a couple times a day to verify guesses; if you are not able to you are allowed to concede the next riddle to the public.

Besides the leader board below, I also compile the winners of every month. Think of it as Standard for the game. Stick around and try to be the winner for the month!

Very appropriately, the reigning champion of the leader board, anchorm4n will start us off! Special thanks to R and madcat for helping tally and make it simple to transfer the leader board as well as to DestroyerR for resurrecting such an enjoyable game at OoC.