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  • slightlymiles's Avatar
    30 2 Posts Joined 01/17/2022
    Posted 2 years, 10 months ago

    How is caster priest not ALL of these decks... it's the only one obliterating the ladder and literally requires ZERO effort or participation by either party....? 

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  • SnuggleKing's Avatar
    Enjoys Cake 670 81 Posts Joined 03/29/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    I'm quite sad how few of Alterac cards are in these decks. I'd love to see Duels as a place where you can play more niche cards and not more like a Wild variant, where almost nothing changes with new set release. 

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    • Avalon's Avatar
      Salty Dog 1550 2105 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
      Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

      I'm not saying you're wrong, but rather that there's a reason for this, or better two reasons.

      The first is that Duels' Hero Power and Signature Treasures (the ones you pick before building your starting deck) were initially conceived to synergize with what each class was about around a year ago. However, we moved on from that point, and received many more archetypes that those tools do not support.

      Want an example? If you want to have a run with Hunter that isn't about Deathrattles, you don't really have a good Signature Treasure that supports you: most of the times you opt for Carrot on a Stick, but it's a worse Coghammer.

      Having Hero Powers and Signature Treasures become (at least partially) obsolete (with some of them, sadly, completely unplayable from the very start), you can understand why you don't see more Freeze Shaman, Deathrattle Demon Hunter or *insert new archetype* in Duels.

       

      The second reason is that Team 5's ambition is to continuously enlarge Duels' deckbuilding pool, adding expansion after expansion until we'll get to the point where all the cards will be able to be included in your starting deck. I respectfully disagree with this philosophy, and I would rather see some sort of rotating sets system (which has its own downsides, but we'll leave this for another time), but this is not the point.

      The implication of adding set after set without removing stuff (unless you hard-ban some cards) is that the power level of the game mode is bound to go up with every addition, and new strategies are less likely to make an impact.

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      • SnuggleKing's Avatar
        Enjoys Cake 670 81 Posts Joined 03/29/2019
        Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

        I agree with your explanation. You are completely right. Yet still, it's the case. And from your explanation we can draft the solution for the problem - change available sets or change starting treasure. I don't know Team5's plans for this, but maybe we should ask Iksar on his next Q&A what's gonna happen to treasures and hero powers, when the sets they are based on, gonna rotate out. Here's to hoping :) 

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  • Calenmir's Avatar
    Skeleton 280 33 Posts Joined 08/13/2021
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    From my experience and what I noticed from Regiskillbin videos Imp-credible Trousers are brokenly good at this time. It says shuffle in the text but opponents *always* draw those first. It's really frustrating when I encounter them.

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    • Avalon's Avatar
      Salty Dog 1550 2105 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
      Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

      Yep, it's just a bug. Fel Rifts should act like Soul Fragments, so Imp-credible Trousers is clearly not working as intended.

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    • dapperdog's Avatar
      Dragon Scholar 1890 5610 Posts Joined 07/29/2019
      Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

      Its a bug. Of course that interaction was unintended. It'll always put those imps on top of your deck, so if you can draw the same turn its just free 3/3s.

      But dhunters being so shit in duels its hardly noteworthy. Fact is that even with this bug its still not going to carry you high up the ladder. Still, funny though.

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      • Avalon's Avatar
        Salty Dog 1550 2105 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
        Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

        You can say that Duels Demon Hunter is pretty unidirectional, uninteractive and (maybe) boring, but it's in no way shit.

        With the right Passive Treasures, Outlander Demon Hunter slaps hard.

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        • dapperdog's Avatar
          Dragon Scholar 1890 5610 Posts Joined 07/29/2019
          Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

          I doubt it. I got my arse handed to me by an innocent Wildpaw Cavern, and I had fireshaper passive. Any freezes honestly, just destroys dhunter in duels its not even funny.

          Not to mention that Immolation Aura is not available in deckbuilding, so you lose the one good AoE spell the class has. That alone seals the deal, its just so much weaker than the other burn decks available.

          Also, I dont know whats the deal, but getting that passive that deals 2 damage per fel spell is so ludicrously difficult I swear its in the ultra rare pool. My entire deck was fel spells and it just never pops out.

          Edit: I should add that I've rarely ever see dhunters in duels, and usually I just never lose to them. They have a massive advantage in the first two games and then its all down hill from there. It was only by exploiting the imps that I got to 8 wins at all.

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  • Sykomyke's Avatar
    Grand Crusader 780 985 Posts Joined 05/30/2019
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    Avalon (or anyone really) if you see this maybe you can explain something...

    Why is Infinite Arcane popping up in more and more mage decks in duels as the chosen signature treasure? With hero power mage it used to be Embercaster....I understand that Infinite Arcane makes you "immune" to fatigue in the traditional sense, but is there something more that I'm missing?

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    • Avalon's Avatar
      Salty Dog 1550 2105 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
      Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

      Given that there isn't a precise answer to this question, I tried Infinite Arcane myself to see why peoples started running it, and here are my two cents.

      Let's start with the downsides. Given that you pick it for the Frost Hero Power archetype, it gets tutored by Frostweave Dungeoneer, but you do not get the full effect off of the latter, and sometimes it's quite relevant if you have Freeze Solid or Arctic Armor as Passives. Not the end of the world, but still...

      On the other hand, there are quite some upsides. First of all, you build your deck so that it contains a few very impactful Battlecries and different ways (Youthful Brewmaster, Zola the Gorgon), to bounce/copy them. Infinite Arcane allows you to get additional copies of either the Battlecries or the bouncers, based on the state of the board and on how far you are from killing your opponent of being killed by them. Getting an extra Mordresh Fire Eye or two is nutty, as well as Spice Bread Baker if you're low on health.

      Then there's the fatigue issue. Sure, once you've added a remarkable number of cards in your deck, fatigue won't be as problematic as it could be at the beginning of your runs, but it's always nice to have this option in case you need it.

      On a final note, it completely negates Magnetic Mines Bomb Warrior. Sure, that deck is not that strong, but people seem to love it and it's always there to mess up your runs, so if your opponent does not have Coldlight Oracle you're pretty much safe.

      Embercaster is more of a combo/value tool, and it's not like it has become bad/unplayable: I dare to say that both Embercaster and Infinite Arcane are valid Signature Treasures, and you should pick the one you prefer.

       

      I hope you'll find my answer useful!

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    • dapperdog's Avatar
      Dragon Scholar 1890 5610 Posts Joined 07/29/2019
      Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

      Infinite arcane discovers from your deck. So in the first few games youre almost always getting something you've placed into your deck deliberately. At the late game, its gets more muddled, but its usually still better than topdecking answers.

      Also because of the 2 mana discount, your brewmaster costs 0. That's very nearly a shadowstep in a deck that plays plenty of battlecries.

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      • Sykomyke's Avatar
        Grand Crusader 780 985 Posts Joined 05/30/2019
        Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

        I don't think I ever realized it discovered from your own deck.  The way it was worded made it sound like you just discovered from the entire pool of possible cards (for your class+neutrals) which to me made it sound way worse.

        The fact it discovers from your own deck definitely makes it better.

        But do you think it's still better strictly speaking to run Infinite Arcane over Embercaster for example?  (Embercaster specifically to duplicate wildfire(s) )

        Also, this sounds odd but is there a competitive deck with Yogg Tasties as the signature treasure?  I remember when duels first came out and everyone was using it and it made duels so much fun.

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        • dapperdog's Avatar
          Dragon Scholar 1890 5610 Posts Joined 07/29/2019
          Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

          Yeah, team5 could do better explaining how infinite arcane works. I remember looking up several reddit posts to find out that it actually discovers from your deck, and at the start of the game, which means you cant thin down your deck for a more consistent discover chance.

          Mage as a duels class is really tough, because most of the time they'd just get mowed down by burns decks. That's mostly why embercaster just doesn't cut it anymore, unless you're running quest portal, where embercaster has a definite niche. Infinite Arcane however gives you a chance, because you can theoretically (I did this plenty of times) just lockdown your opponent with never ending freezes or loathebs. Forget the embercaster + wildfire. Its more fun to destroy opponents with five turns of mordreshes, which was definitely a highlight for me that one time.

          Yogg cakes just for fun to be honest. Its definitely not competitive because of consistency, and because you're not choosing either embercaster or infinite arcane. Still, duels is that one mode where its fully casual so if you're in for fun, then why not?

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    • Skorpionex's Avatar
      Headless Horseman 1445 426 Posts Joined 06/12/2019
      Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

      You can discover multiple Mordresh for example.

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  • Sathias's Avatar
    70 7 Posts Joined 10/05/2021
    Posted 2 years, 11 months ago

    I'm trying to get Diablo Demon Deathrattle Discard working at the moment but can't get it further than 4 wins :)

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