According to the devs reborn is coded like divine shield every interaction with divine shield minions should have the same interaction as reborn.
If you resummon a divine shield minion it gets divine shield, if you copy a divine shield minion it has divine shield as long as it had divine shield.
If you cast Embalming Ritual or Psychopomp on a reborn minion or a minion that already has reborn NOTHING happens! (people were speculating about doubling the Embalming Ritual on leeroy THIS DOESN'T WORK).
reborn is a reverse divine shield you kill a minion then you have to deal 1 damage, you can judge them as "deathrattle: summon a X/1(injured with original hp) copy of this minion without reborn" for value I mean for example Bone Wraith is a 4 mana 3/5 with "deathrattle: summon a 2/1 Bone Wraith without reborn"
1. A shift in Control/Dr Broken Warrior to be more taunt-focused given all the new cards that feed into that
2. Heal Druid is finally going to make an appearance is a real way - I don't expect it to be Tier 1, but it's definitely going to crawl out of the T4/5 pit.
4. Priest might finally come back into the mainstream with the High Priest Amet + Buffs & Boar OTK
Also, I don't expect them to get big, but I'm definitely going to give a few decks a(nother) try:
1. Silence Priest - was *okay* before, but now with more cheap big minions like Sunstruck Henchman and Mortuary Machine it *may* be more consistent.
2. (maybe highlander) Secret Mage - all 3 mage minions revealed so far fit the archetype, so I'm expecting/hoping there will be a new secret revealed. You could reasonably run highlander as well if needed given all the ways to refresh a hand with Mage atm.
1. Nah why change what's broken? Warrior will add the mummy and the shaggy card and play the same deck.
2. Heal druid got so many mediocre cards... The deck is mainly only getting overflow.
3. It's not easy to pull off when you are searching for 3vlegendary cards in your deck.
4. That combo already exists and nobody plays it (4 mana 2/5 charge in basic)
Silence priest is bad as long as you don't have tonnes of draw or a card like shadow visions.
Well with big shaman you can eureka him out or get him with muck murpher
4/4 divine shield that when it dies becomes a 10/1 divine shield? and then if you put ancestral spirit or ancestral healling on him (Which are cards that are sometimes run in big shaman) you got yourself a very strong minion, or even a taunt for cheap currently the deck runs big bad archmage for winning the board, now this minion is harder to remove.
1. Bazaar Mugger: I feel someone has tested their original version of the card that has "Whenever it attacks, add a random card from another class", then suddenly, the card designer said, "WTF, THAT'S BROKEN!", so they nerfed this card... I have a really honest feeling about this since there is no way the card is implemented that way. Intentionally nerf, I'm calling it.
2. Khartut Defender: Seriously? If the card was 3/5, it would be the LEAST PLAYABLE card out there. 3/4 means the card designer were worry to much about this card.
4. Dinotamer Brann: I don't know... I just don't like this card. (By the way, can we stop these things that does "Summon a same legendary minion that we have already known before", thanks.)
5. Desert Obelisk: I love some memes, but this one is not a thing for me. So don't you think about playing it with Shadow of Death... if you do that, you would miss so many good things in your life.
I must disagree with your worst list (Except the last one which is my first worst, and you put actually good cards above it)
Bazaar Mugger is not the best card in the game but how you are calling it bad? I mean a 3/5 rush minion could cost 4 and then you pay one extra mana for the burgle effect, it's not OMG OP but the card is decent, and could fit into quest rogue.
Khartut defender is actually a huge speed bump for aggro it's a mix between two very powerful cards but the stats are reduced to compensate I am talking about Sludge Belcher and Antique Healbot it's slightly worse than both of them but it's 6 healing, and double taunt minion it's a 3/4 because they were wary of this card being too good at 3/5 it's still decent. again it's not the best card of the expansion but it's decent.
Brann - Hunter got so many good cards now you don't HAVE to play control to play a singelton deck, could see this card being played.. if not now then next expansion the power level is there and you could really make it work.. besides you ranked zephrys first if you believe in singelton decks hunter is probably much better than mage and druid.
I like how I can't tell if the people downvoting Sherman's OP are seriously triggered or doing it ironically like me because he said he likes downvotes. Don't know whether to up or downvotes those -1s either (nor if those -1s are serious). Well done; you've made the system completely meaningless, at least in this thread :D
It's mostly for the irony, BTW I downvoted every post of Sherman in this thread for the same reason.
Hello everyone now we saw all the cards I want to hear what you guys think of the picture as a whole, which cards you think are good and which one are bad, this expansion is all over the place for sure but we saw some very powerful stuff and very meme stuff so let's start.. btw your cards don't have to be legendaries.. yes they seem the most impactful but also a common 1 mana 1/2 in unguru [Hearthstone Card (firefly) Not Found] ended up being played the full 2 years it was out so it's not all about late game legendaries!
I will start:
Top 5 best cards:
1. Siamat - seems like the Zilliax of the expansion it's so flexible and has probably some use in any deck that is either midrange or control, specially in mage that can cheat him out with [Hearthstone Card (elemental invocation) Not Found] or quest shaman that can get all 4 of his keywords.
2. Hyena Alpha - remember Emerald Spellstone? this card is too similar to it and the price? having an untriggered secret on turn 4 this card is gonna shape the meta for sure, and to top it off, you can dig for it with Master's Call.. it's not like midrange beast hunter had a turn 4 play anyway.
3.Garden Gnome - you see the card above? this card is almost the same but treants instead of beasts the trigger is also extreamly easy and it's something druid has always been doing token druid is already strong and if they can fit around 2 more big spells in the deck I am sure they will cause this card is that much powerful.
4. BEEEES!!!- another druid card? yes, I think this card is really powerful by how versatile it is not only it's a Shadow Bolt that when it overkills it leaves tokens behind, it can trigger your own lifesteal, overkill and deathrattle effects if you need to.
5. Weaponized Wasp- you are kidding me right? this card is insanely powerful and even more with the shaman quest, it gives shaman so much reach and removal.
honorable mentions: Impbalming - it's a single target removal for 4, this card is probably the most underrated card of the expansion YOUR DECK DOESN'T MATTER if you have TEMPO, you might not even draw the imps and if you do.. you have life tap, this card is insane and will push warlock further.. it's not like control warlock ever has a problem of lacking options in hand or draw.
Beaming Sidekick - reminds me of Kabal Talonpriest how good was that card VERY good, now this is neutral, costs 2 less has also good stats for a 1 drop and just gives 1 less hp, priest will really like this card, as well as warlock.
top 5 worst cards:
1. Desert Obelisk - this card is such an atrociously bad card, if you are copying a card so many times and it costs 5 why you aren't copying Leeroy Jenkins? this card is so bad it's not even a meme card.
2. Generous Mummy - you are getting 2 mana discount deal for the body but at which price? this card is just very similar to Millhouse Manastorm and it's not even a battlecry, not only do you get a downside but it's hard to get rid of the card from your board, every time you would get this card from Diseased Vulture you will be extremely sad.
3. Making Mummies- this quest is SO bad it's not only the only quest that can't be expanded upon cause reborn is a SOU mechanic only the reborn minions are mostly mediocre, and paladin didn't even get a good ones you need to run around 8~12 reborn minions in your deck for this to be good.. and.. the reward? it's not even that great. and the WORST part about this card is why does a good guy practices necromancy? and even worse a murloc good guy???
4. Desert Hare- we have [Hearthstone Card (microtech technician) Not Found] in boomsday this card is worse.. just why.
5. Living Monument - TBH didn't find many other atrocious cards so I am complaining about a pack filler that's how powerful this expansion is.. btw why buff Conjurer's Calling with this card?
Honorable mentions: murloc support in paladin and totem support in shaman- yes those are bad NOW but they cards seem to have uses... seem to be a set up for a future archtype in the classes.
From what I seen quest paladin is worse than the old quest paladin.. It's just too fair compared to other decks. And the reborn minion are mostly just OK or passable...
They do on each rotation, started in RoS. During that time there were two rotations and both gave the ticket. This fucked up rotation now gave me a ticket as well.
I totally forgot about it tbh I just saved gold to play arena post rotation.. Damn
I perfectly remember answering you this question on Hearthpwn some days ago, showing you two links to different articles on the site about this topic. WTF, dude??? :/
I mean, with HP's spaghetti code, I wouldn't be surprised if he just never got a notification for your reply
The notification system in hpwn was broken for around 2 years for me
The rest are at most at 300 and at least 150 I still play mostly my golden classes so I am not making much progress on the other classes, excited in trying zoo priest with the quest might hit 300 on priest until the end of the expansion.
is the partnership dual sided? will HSreplay promote out of cards as well or did they just they give you access to their API so you can improve your deck data? cause this site could use more promoting for sure.. HS replay is well known site, could help bringing in some new users.
Would HS replay want this to be their "official forum site" I mean?
I was just searching to see if this thread existed because I personally haven't seen many of them at all. And while I haven't been opening a ton of Classic packs lately, I had a few saved from past brawls after they said new cards were coming, plus a few more here and there from gold or quests.
I still haven't opened a single new Classic card from the recent patch. Not even the common Druid card, Gift of the Wild. In fact I still need a second copy of Call of the Void and that card's been out for a while now!
I've thought about crafting High Inquisitor Whitemane but I don't want to spend that much dust so close to an expansion, when she's not seeing much play right now anyway.
now you mention her.. she works really well with reborn cards, might be worth a try, I didn't open any new classic card yet either.. it's hard when the pool is of 200+ cards in classic.
Sadly it's still running so there's a competition between the 2 sites.. this site is clearly higher quality but the traffic is split between the sites so we get less discussion here.
Okay, so we've identified the problem. How do we fix this?
It's not like any site would give up, flux and co. put a lot of efford into the community and the hpwn team is just starting out and I don't know much about what's going there but I doubt they will just make the community migrate to another site just because the traffic and attenttion got split.
There was already a split in the community of HS between HPWN, reddit and blizzard forums it's always like that since reddit every forum community is generally smaller than them by default.
As a user you could see a plus that both sites will put different kind of content as top decks or news topics the downside is of course the lower traffic in both.I am not sure how would you go about it..
According to the devs reborn is coded like divine shield every interaction with divine shield minions should have the same interaction as reborn.
If you resummon a divine shield minion it gets divine shield, if you copy a divine shield minion it has divine shield as long as it had divine shield.
If you cast Embalming Ritual or Psychopomp on a reborn minion or a minion that already has reborn NOTHING happens! (people were speculating about doubling the Embalming Ritual on leeroy THIS DOESN'T WORK).
reborn is a reverse divine shield you kill a minion then you have to deal 1 damage, you can judge them as "deathrattle: summon a X/1(injured with original hp) copy of this minion without reborn" for value I mean for example Bone Wraith is a 4 mana 3/5 with "deathrattle: summon a 2/1 Bone Wraith without reborn"
1. Nah why change what's broken? Warrior will add the mummy and the shaggy card and play the same deck.
2. Heal druid got so many mediocre cards... The deck is mainly only getting overflow.
3. It's not easy to pull off when you are searching for 3vlegendary cards in your deck.
4. That combo already exists and nobody plays it (4 mana 2/5 charge in basic)
Silence priest is bad as long as you don't have tonnes of draw or a card like shadow visions.
Saw gameplay of secret mage, not a big fan.
Here saved you a lot of dust.
I think there should be a secret achievement "king of salt" have 1000 cumulative down votes, Sherman is probably halfway there.
Well with big shaman you can eureka him out or get him with muck murpher
4/4 divine shield that when it dies becomes a 10/1 divine shield? and then if you put ancestral spirit or ancestral healling on him (Which are cards that are sometimes run in big shaman) you got yourself a very strong minion, or even a taunt for cheap currently the deck runs big bad archmage for winning the board, now this minion is harder to remove.
Also shaman got new control tools in Plague of Murlocs and Earthquake.
the other deck that might like it is duel paladin but it's more memey than big shaman.
I must disagree with your worst list (Except the last one which is my first worst, and you put actually good cards above it)
Bazaar Mugger is not the best card in the game but how you are calling it bad? I mean a 3/5 rush minion could cost 4 and then you pay one extra mana for the burgle effect, it's not OMG OP but the card is decent, and could fit into quest rogue.
Khartut defender is actually a huge speed bump for aggro it's a mix between two very powerful cards but the stats are reduced to compensate I am talking about Sludge Belcher and Antique Healbot it's slightly worse than both of them but it's 6 healing, and double taunt minion it's a 3/4 because they were wary of this card being too good at 3/5 it's still decent. again it's not the best card of the expansion but it's decent.
Brann - Hunter got so many good cards now you don't HAVE to play control to play a singelton deck, could see this card being played.. if not now then next expansion the power level is there and you could really make it work.. besides you ranked zephrys first if you believe in singelton decks hunter is probably much better than mage and druid.
It's mostly for the irony, BTW I downvoted every post of Sherman in this thread for the same reason.
BTW nice quad post 0 shame in doing it.
Hello everyone now we saw all the cards I want to hear what you guys think of the picture as a whole, which cards you think are good and which one are bad, this expansion is all over the place for sure but we saw some very powerful stuff and very meme stuff so let's start.. btw your cards don't have to be legendaries.. yes they seem the most impactful but also a common 1 mana 1/2 in unguru [Hearthstone Card (firefly) Not Found] ended up being played the full 2 years it was out so it's not all about late game legendaries!
I will start:
Top 5 best cards:
1. Siamat - seems like the Zilliax of the expansion it's so flexible and has probably some use in any deck that is either midrange or control, specially in mage that can cheat him out with [Hearthstone Card (elemental invocation) Not Found] or quest shaman that can get all 4 of his keywords.
2. Hyena Alpha - remember Emerald Spellstone? this card is too similar to it and the price? having an untriggered secret on turn 4 this card is gonna shape the meta for sure, and to top it off, you can dig for it with Master's Call.. it's not like midrange beast hunter had a turn 4 play anyway.
3.Garden Gnome - you see the card above? this card is almost the same but treants instead of beasts the trigger is also extreamly easy and it's something druid has always been doing token druid is already strong and if they can fit around 2 more big spells in the deck I am sure they will cause this card is that much powerful.
4. BEEEES!!!- another druid card? yes, I think this card is really powerful by how versatile it is not only it's a Shadow Bolt that when it overkills it leaves tokens behind, it can trigger your own lifesteal, overkill and deathrattle effects if you need to.
5. Weaponized Wasp- you are kidding me right? this card is insanely powerful and even more with the shaman quest, it gives shaman so much reach and removal.
honorable mentions: Impbalming - it's a single target removal for 4, this card is probably the most underrated card of the expansion YOUR DECK DOESN'T MATTER if you have TEMPO, you might not even draw the imps and if you do.. you have life tap, this card is insane and will push warlock further.. it's not like control warlock ever has a problem of lacking options in hand or draw.
Frightened Flunky- Stonehill Defender, for warrior, costs 1 less mana, 1 less stat, we know how good is Stonehill Defender, nuff said.
Beaming Sidekick - reminds me of Kabal Talonpriest how good was that card VERY good, now this is neutral, costs 2 less has also good stats for a 1 drop and just gives 1 less hp, priest will really like this card, as well as warlock.
top 5 worst cards:
1. Desert Obelisk - this card is such an atrociously bad card, if you are copying a card so many times and it costs 5 why you aren't copying Leeroy Jenkins? this card is so bad it's not even a meme card.
2. Generous Mummy - you are getting 2 mana discount deal for the body but at which price? this card is just very similar to Millhouse Manastorm and it's not even a battlecry, not only do you get a downside but it's hard to get rid of the card from your board, every time you would get this card from Diseased Vulture you will be extremely sad.
3. Making Mummies- this quest is SO bad it's not only the only quest that can't be expanded upon cause reborn is a SOU mechanic only the reborn minions are mostly mediocre, and paladin didn't even get a good ones you need to run around 8~12 reborn minions in your deck for this to be good.. and.. the reward? it's not even that great. and the WORST part about this card is why does a good guy practices necromancy? and even worse a murloc good guy???
4. Desert Hare- we have [Hearthstone Card (microtech technician) Not Found] in boomsday this card is worse.. just why.
5. Living Monument - TBH didn't find many other atrocious cards so I am complaining about a pack filler that's how powerful this expansion is.. btw why buff Conjurer's Calling with this card?
Honorable mentions: murloc support in paladin and totem support in shaman- yes those are bad NOW but they cards seem to have uses... seem to be a set up for a future archtype in the classes.
Happy b day, enjoy your cards.
From what I seen quest paladin is worse than the old quest paladin.. It's just too fair compared to other decks. And the reborn minion are mostly just OK or passable...
I would hate the mage one seems pointless really.. Make doesn't lack ways to beat control.
Hoping for shaman or priest quests
It's not hidden if it's in the patch notes
Reno even lock looks sweet with zephyr
I totally forgot about it tbh I just saved gold to play arena post rotation.. Damn
BTW do arena resets now for a free ticket?
The notification system in hpwn was broken for around 2 years for me
Ironic the op post has - 15(now - 16) downvotes :D
I got golden paladin then warlock then hunter..
The rest are at most at 300 and at least 150 I still play mostly my golden classes so I am not making much progress on the other classes, excited in trying zoo priest with the quest might hit 300 on priest until the end of the expansion.
is the partnership dual sided? will HSreplay promote out of cards as well or did they just they give you access to their API so you can improve your deck data? cause this site could use more promoting for sure.. HS replay is well known site, could help bringing in some new users.
Would HS replay want this to be their "official forum site" I mean?
now you mention her.. she works really well with reborn cards, might be worth a try, I didn't open any new classic card yet either.. it's hard when the pool is of 200+ cards in classic.
It's not like any site would give up, flux and co. put a lot of efford into the community and the hpwn team is just starting out and I don't know much about what's going there but I doubt they will just make the community migrate to another site just because the traffic and attenttion got split.
There was already a split in the community of HS between HPWN, reddit and blizzard forums it's always like that since reddit every forum community is generally smaller than them by default.
As a user you could see a plus that both sites will put different kind of content as top decks or news topics the downside is of course the lower traffic in both.I am not sure how would you go about it..